Any Tesla driver here?...

On 5/19/2022 11:30 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-05-20, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 5/19/2022 10:59 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

That\'s some stupid PHB\'s notion (or, some consultant hired by same)
of how things should work. I\'m sure there is formal language
that defines that behavior -- for *some* reason (which MAY make
sense but likely isn\'t intuitive to the driver/user)

Many SUVs complain if the hatchback is left open. How do you
transport an \"oversize load\" if you can\'t leave the item
hanging out the ass end of the vehicle? (buy a truck, instead?)
You can trip the sensor in the latch -- but then you\'re still
faced with the problem of holding the hatch \"partially closed\"
(there\'s often nothing to \"tie onto\" on the hatch!)

I usually join the catch (I catch a pice of wire or rope in the catch)
to the ring that usually engages with the catch,

I put a short length of chain terminated in a steel ring (thickness
of the \"ring\" on the back of car) with a short bungy cord on the
other end (terminating in its hook).

Chain Bungy
O888888~~~~~~~~C
Ring 8 Hook
8 excess chain
8

Place the ring in the catch and let the hatch grab it and \"suck it in\".
Use the hook on the other end of the bungy cord to engage the \"ring\"
at the bottom of the cargo area. So, there is some \"give\" to the tie down.

If you need to have the hatch a bit more open (to accommodate something
\"thicker\"), move the bungy to expose another link in the chain while
keeping the same tension on the bungy cord.

Slip a furniture pad (Harbor Freight) between the hatch and the item
its being held against -- and another *under* the item between it
and the cargo floor. So, when the hatch bounces -- as you navigate
the potholes and speed bumps in the neighborhood -- it has some
cushion (I keep several furniture pads in the car at all times as
there\'s often something that needs to be isolated from the vehicle\'s
interior surfaces, even if the hatch CAN close)

[This assumes the hatch can be held AGAINST whatever is sticking out
the ass end of the vehicle, under the tension of the bungy cord]

I\'d not want to drive long distances like this but it has been
quite good for the 2-3 mile trip to home depot, lowes, etc.

[Store the contraption in the \"trunk\" (spare tire storage area)
as you never know when you will need it]

but you can also tie to hinges(and run the rope over the outside
or tie to the wiper axle.

Hinges aren\'t accessible \"over the outside\" when the hatch is
going to be almost closed; there\'s a rubber seal there (the
hinges are inboard of the door) so barely room for a bit of twine!

Wiper axle seems like it\'s an invitation for a \"wiper repair\"!
(That was my first idea, thankfully rejected.)

on the body of the car you can also tie to the external tie-down point,
and internally the child-seat anchor point, and spare wheel are other
options

There are some tie points on the sides of the cargo area. But, the
\"ring\" that the hatch normally catches is much easier to access
and better positioned.

Spare wheel is under the cargo area (SUV) so you\'d have to remove the
\"floor insert\" to get access to the wheel. Then, where do you put
that large piece of \"floor\" while you\'re transporting cargo?

Rear seat needs to be folded down. As does the passenger seat, often.
But, I can easily carry 12 ft lumber, copper/PVC tubing, etc. like
this (furniture pads used to protect seat leather, etc.). Reserve those
favors you ask of neighbors with trucks to the really difficult
transports!

Would it have been so hard for the manufacturer to have anticipated this?
(I suspect driving with the hatch open -- in any way -- would likely
be seen as a liability issue.)

In a previous hatchback, I could lie in the back and HOLD the hatch
closed. Used this technique to transport many 10\' trees home when
we were landscaping the yard!

But, this hatch has too much mass (inertia) to be comfortable doing so.
First bump would have it flying open with me attached!
 
On 5/20/2022 12:06 AM, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

Perhaps something like this would help. ;-)
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/05/new-bluetooth-hack-can-unlock-your-tesla-and-all-kinds-of-other-devices/

This can be countered by measuring time of flight (assuming \"keys\" aren\'t
repeated and subject to replay attack).

This is just common when folks treat security as an afterthought
instead of building it *into* the device/process.

<https://www.wired.com/story/pacemaker-hack-malware-black-hat/>
 
On 5/20/2022 12:16 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> I\'d gladly buy a car with a manual transmission and fewer useless gadgets,

Which \"gadgets\" (that have software and/or add to the number of
\"useless controls\") would you do away with?

Personally, I can live without the mirror and seat position memory
(in MY car -- because SWMBO doesn\'t drive it: \"too big\" -- so everything
stays exactly as I left it)

I\'d miss the backup camera and cross traffic alert system (for cars and
people passing behind the vehicle as you\'re backing up).

And, the gizmo that watches for vehicles in the blind spots while
driving (sometimes catches things that I may have missed, esp \"determined\"
road sheep).

No need for GPS (which isn\'t as good as some of the portable GPS units).
And, ditch the moonroof (that came as part of the trim level upgrade
that gave the power *passenger* seat). How exactly does that N-way
control operate? Am I *sure* it\'s closed WATER TIGHT??

I would, however, still want that power passenger seat for the times
I\'m seated in it and want to LOWER it (SWMBO likes it set \"high\"...
so she can see what\'s passing UNDER the front bumper???)

Sound system is easy to implement with a PMP tied in to the \"radio\".

Nice to have the built-in garage door openers overhead. But, clipping
an old-fashioned \"remote\" to the visor isn\'t a big deal. Maybe not quite
as \"aesthetically pleasing\".

Nice to know what sort of fuel economy I\'m presently getting. And, a
summary for this tankful. Saves a bit of mental arithmetic. \"Available
miles\" in the tank? <shrug> Rarely more than a few blocks from a gas
station so the prospect of being stuck with an empty tank is pretty remote.

Cruise control? Rarely make long drives. (but has not been the case,
historically)

Oil life monitor? I guess I could go back to keeping track of that in
my head.

Driver/passenger temperature controls? How often do you want significantly
different temperature regions a few feet apart?!

Yeah, it\'s nice to have the headlights turn on when needed (?). But,
its not like that\'s a huge labor-saver, for me!

Hands free cell phone tie in? \"Cell phone? What\'s that?!\"

Keyless entry/ignition? I\'ve already got to carry the damn keyfob so
how\'s that any different than carrying a *key*?! (\"Ah, but you can unlock
the door BEFORE you get to the car!\" Whoopdedoo)

Speech interface to all of the above? Yes, please get rid of the
damn thing! It\'s far too sluggish to be useful (you end up
*watching* the display -- instead of the roadway -- to see WHAT it
*thinks* you said)

And, no, I don\'t need to be reminded to put the car in park when
I turn off the ignition. And, don\'t have a shit fit if I exit the
vehicle while its still running! Or, nag me for not putting on the
damn seat belt. Maybe I plan on exiting the vehicle (to check
the mail) once I get to the end of the driveway!

And, what the hell is THAT annunciator (without any accompanying MESSAGE
on any of the three displays)? Did you save 10 bytes of code by relying
exclusively on a cryptic SOUND instead of declaring the intent??

What I\'d LIKE is something that alerts me to things like bulb failures
(headlamps, turn signals, brake/running lights, etc.). But, don\'t know
if its smart enough to do that. OTOH, I see lots of \"new\" cars with
failed lamps and assume the drivers haven\'t been told of those failures,
yet (?)

Or, diagnostics of other \"not trivial\" systems (low on refrigerant?).

but I still want the airco, the auto-darkening rear view mirror, etc.
They just don\'t seem to exist anymore. Cars are computers on wheels
these days, with all the weird bugs that entails.

Here, I think newer vehicles are required to have many of these
\"safety features\" (backup camera, etc.). But, for the most part,
they don\'t require any/much fiddling (I think the cameras can
be configured for different \"views\")
 
On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 9:42:21 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2022 10:35 PM, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 9:47:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2022 9:39 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
eyes off the road.

Or just common sense will do it.

The reason they don\'t have a choice is the proliferation of
controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the
dash for everything.

Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.


Right. It\'s a car.


An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand
fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove
compartment.

Mind you to my reading this option doesn\'t use the existing HVAC ducting
to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers
and ductwork.
This isn\'t a joke btw folks, I\'m not shitting you it\'s a real option

What\'s wrong with that? People have been using scents in cars for decades. So the luxury car brand is making available without stopping at a gas station... sounds like an improvement for those who like it.
They\'re probably out of stock of the fragrance vials due to supply-chain
issues, lol
Why is everyone on the rag over the fact that people like things and car makers provide them? What a bunch of whiny little girls!

That\'s racist

No, it\'s not.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=racist

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On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:34:11 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him.
He apparently propositioned a woman. I\'m sure none of the guys here
would ever do anything so evil.

The alleged incident was in 2018. Within 48 hours of becoming a
Republican, the scandal is public.

Yeah, I guess Musk knew it was coming so knew he needed to get in front of it by switching to a group he knew he could get support from.

--

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++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 12:20:13 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote:
Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
Mind you to my reading this option doesn\'t use the existing HVAC ducting to
manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and
ductwork.

This isn\'t a joke btw folks, I\'m not shitting you it\'s a real option

Neighbor\'s vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
cold while driving?)

There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

I never figured that crap out. If you\'re 400 pounds and can\'t climb a
step, you don\'t need a truck that rides 2 feet off the ground.
But your better half might be five-feet-nothing, and not want to have to
climb up that high in her Saturday night goin\'-ta-town dress. ;)

I\'m curious, do you really think he is going to say, \"Oh, I hadn\'t thought of that! I guess you are right.\" ???

I will read on.

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On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 9:57:45 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote:
Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
Mind you to my reading this option doesn\'t use the existing HVAC ducting to
manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and
ductwork.

This isn\'t a joke btw folks, I\'m not shitting you it\'s a real option

Neighbor\'s vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
cold while driving?)

There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

I never figured that crap out. If you\'re 400 pounds and can\'t climb a
step, you don\'t need a truck that rides 2 feet off the ground.

But your better half might be five-feet-nothing, and not want to have to
climb up that high in her Saturday night goin\'-ta-town dress. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(Whose better half is an even foot less tall than he is.)
Like I was hinting at before, If you\'re hauling around cripples or what
not, toss them in the back, or get a van with a wheelchair lift. The
powered running boards are just pure nonsense.

As I fully expected. LOL!

Some people you just don\'t try to talk it. It\'s like dressing up a pig.

--

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On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:17:50 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
Cool feature:

https://twitter.com/mjarchie1/status/1527708021903609857

I like this reply,

\"Pictures like this wouldn’t be available if elon owned @Twitter\"

LOL

--

Rick C.

-+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On 5/19/2022 10:35 PM, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 9:47:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2022 9:39 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
eyes off the road.

Or just common sense will do it.

The reason they don\'t have a choice is the proliferation of
controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the
dash for everything.

Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.


Right. It\'s a car.


An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand
fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove
compartment.

Mind you to my reading this option doesn\'t use the existing HVAC ducting
to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers
and ductwork.
This isn\'t a joke btw folks, I\'m not shitting you it\'s a real option

What\'s wrong with that? People have been using scents in cars for decades. So the luxury car brand is making available without stopping at a gas station... sounds like an improvement for those who like it.

They\'re probably out of stock of the fragrance vials due to supply-chain
issues, lol

Why is everyone on the rag over the fact that people like things and car makers provide them? What a bunch of whiny little girls!

That\'s racist
 
On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
 
On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

New movie:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/17/elon-musk-crash-course-documentary-tesla



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar
 
On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him.

He apparently propositioned a woman. I\'m sure none of the guys here
would ever do anything so evil.

The alleged incident was in 2018. Within 48 hours of becoming a
Republican, the scandal is public.



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar
 
On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him.

He apparently propositioned a woman. I\'m sure none of the guys here
would ever do anything so evil.

No, I don\'t tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual
relations as \"evil\" or care what people do in the privacy of their own
homes, it\'s not my business in a fine free country such as this. It
seems though there is some question as to whether he \"exposed himself\"
or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party
did or did not agree to it.

If the other party answered in the affirmative to the exposure after it
and/or whatever activities were proposed then I surely have no problem
with this.

The alleged incident was in 2018. Within 48 hours of becoming a
Republican, the scandal is public.

I certainly wouldn\'t defend an employee who\'d only worked for me for 48
hours without all the facts I know that, but political affiliation is
somewhat different situation I guess..
 
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
Mind you to my reading this option doesn\'t use the existing HVAC ducting to
manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and
ductwork.

This isn\'t a joke btw folks, I\'m not shitting you it\'s a real option

Neighbor\'s vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
cold while driving?)

There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

I never figured that crap out. If you\'re 400 pounds and can\'t climb a
step, you don\'t need a truck that rides 2 feet off the ground.

And nobody needs a plastic geartrain. All that nonsense was garbage pushed
by the manufacturers as stuff to break or just be another useless feature.
 
Cydrome Leader wrote:
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
Mind you to my reading this option doesn\'t use the existing HVAC ducting to
manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and
ductwork.

This isn\'t a joke btw folks, I\'m not shitting you it\'s a real option

Neighbor\'s vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
cold while driving?)

There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

I never figured that crap out. If you\'re 400 pounds and can\'t climb a
step, you don\'t need a truck that rides 2 feet off the ground.

But your better half might be five-feet-nothing, and not want to have to
climb up that high in her Saturday night goin\'-ta-town dress. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(Whose better half is an even foot less tall than he is.)

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him.

He apparently propositioned a woman. I\'m sure none of the guys here
would ever do anything so evil.

No, I don\'t tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual
relations as \"evil\" or care what people do in the privacy of their own
homes, it\'s not my business in a fine free country such as this. It
seems though there is some question as to whether he \"exposed himself\"
or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party
did or did not agree to it.

She knew she would be giving him a full-body massage, and was being
paid to do it.

His behavior was tasteless and pathetic, but legal and fairly
predictable.

She got a quarter megabuck for an hour\'s work. Probably now more for
selling her story.





--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar
 
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote:
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
Mind you to my reading this option doesn\'t use the existing HVAC ducting to
manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and
ductwork.

This isn\'t a joke btw folks, I\'m not shitting you it\'s a real option

Neighbor\'s vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
cold while driving?)

There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

I never figured that crap out. If you\'re 400 pounds and can\'t climb a
step, you don\'t need a truck that rides 2 feet off the ground.

But your better half might be five-feet-nothing, and not want to have to
climb up that high in her Saturday night goin\'-ta-town dress. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(Whose better half is an even foot less tall than he is.)

Like I was hinting at before, If you\'re hauling around cripples or what
not, toss them in the back, or get a van with a wheelchair lift. The
powered running boards are just pure nonsense.
 
On 5/20/2022 12:41 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him.

He apparently propositioned a woman. I\'m sure none of the guys here
would ever do anything so evil.

No, I don\'t tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual
relations as \"evil\" or care what people do in the privacy of their own
homes, it\'s not my business in a fine free country such as this. It
seems though there is some question as to whether he \"exposed himself\"
or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party
did or did not agree to it.

She knew she would be giving him a full-body massage, and was being
paid to do it.

His behavior was tasteless and pathetic, but legal and fairly
predictable.

She got a quarter megabuck for an hour\'s work. Probably now more for
selling her story.

He\'s a shrewd one, he knows that by joining team MAGA he\'ll have a lot
of Americans who believe there\'s a global conspiracy of fabulously
wealthy elite Satan-worshiping sexual predators:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon>

Get together to help defend the wealthiest alleged sexual predator in
the world. It makes perfect sense!
 
On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

Cool feature:

<https://twitter.com/mjarchie1/status/1527708021903609857>
 
On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:27:49 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/20/2022 12:41 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him.

He apparently propositioned a woman. I\'m sure none of the guys here
would ever do anything so evil.

No, I don\'t tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual
relations as \"evil\" or care what people do in the privacy of their own
homes, it\'s not my business in a fine free country such as this. It
seems though there is some question as to whether he \"exposed himself\"
or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party
did or did not agree to it.

She knew she would be giving him a full-body massage, and was being
paid to do it.

His behavior was tasteless and pathetic, but legal and fairly
predictable.

She got a quarter megabuck for an hour\'s work. Probably now more for
selling her story.


He\'s a shrewd one, he knows that by joining team MAGA he\'ll have a lot
of Americans who believe there\'s a global conspiracy of fabulously
wealthy elite Satan-worshiping sexual predators:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

Get together to help defend the wealthiest alleged sexual predator in
the world. It makes perfect sense!

Asking for sex makes you a predator? And I do mean you.




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