Any Tesla driver here?...

[Jeroen Belleman]

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
eyes off the road.

Or just common sense will do it.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[bitrex]

On 5/21/2022 10:21 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:27:49 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/20/2022 12:41 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him.

He apparently propositioned a woman. I\'m sure none of the guys here
would ever do anything so evil.

No, I don\'t tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual
relations as \"evil\" or care what people do in the privacy of their own
homes, it\'s not my business in a fine free country such as this. It
seems though there is some question as to whether he \"exposed himself\"
or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party
did or did not agree to it.

She knew she would be giving him a full-body massage, and was being
paid to do it.

His behavior was tasteless and pathetic, but legal and fairly
predictable.

She got a quarter megabuck for an hour\'s work. Probably now more for
selling her story.


He\'s a shrewd one, he knows that by joining team MAGA he\'ll have a lot
of Americans who believe there\'s a global conspiracy of fabulously
wealthy elite Satan-worshiping sexual predators:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

Get together to help defend the wealthiest alleged sexual predator in
the world. It makes perfect sense!

Asking for sex makes you a predator? And I do mean you.

Touching someone sexually or exposing yourself to them without their
permission could (it\'s claimed he did this), asking for sex in exchange
for a horse just makes you a john, which is illegal in most
jurisdictions in the US, what jurisdiction transatlantic private flights
fall under on that I\'m not sure offhand.

Can\'t say I\'ve ever asked anyone I didn\'t know very well \"for sex\" in
that kind of matter-of-fact manner, I like to get to know a person,
y\'know? And then things just sort of happen naturally. This
instructional video for men is still as relevant today as in 1950 I think:

<https://youtu.be/FtgwyzC1ySI>

 

[bitrex]

On 5/21/2022 10:21 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:27:49 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/20/2022 12:41 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him.

He apparently propositioned a woman. I\'m sure none of the guys here
would ever do anything so evil.

No, I don\'t tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual
relations as \"evil\" or care what people do in the privacy of their own
homes, it\'s not my business in a fine free country such as this. It
seems though there is some question as to whether he \"exposed himself\"
or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party
did or did not agree to it.

She knew she would be giving him a full-body massage, and was being
paid to do it.

His behavior was tasteless and pathetic, but legal and fairly
predictable.

She got a quarter megabuck for an hour\'s work. Probably now more for
selling her story.


He\'s a shrewd one, he knows that by joining team MAGA he\'ll have a lot
of Americans who believe there\'s a global conspiracy of fabulously
wealthy elite Satan-worshiping sexual predators:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

Get together to help defend the wealthiest alleged sexual predator in
the world. It makes perfect sense!

Asking for sex makes you a predator? And I do mean you.

Here\'s a better summary of the incident in illustrated form:

<https://imgur.com/a/eS0PaAE>

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

søndag den 22. maj 2022 kl. 02.09.18 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:

On 5/21/2022 10:21 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:27:49 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/20/2022 12:41 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him.

He apparently propositioned a woman. I\'m sure none of the guys here
would ever do anything so evil.

No, I don\'t tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual
relations as \"evil\" or care what people do in the privacy of their own
homes, it\'s not my business in a fine free country such as this. It
seems though there is some question as to whether he \"exposed himself\"
or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party
did or did not agree to it.

She knew she would be giving him a full-body massage, and was being
paid to do it.

His behavior was tasteless and pathetic, but legal and fairly
predictable.

She got a quarter megabuck for an hour\'s work. Probably now more for
selling her story.


He\'s a shrewd one, he knows that by joining team MAGA he\'ll have a lot
of Americans who believe there\'s a global conspiracy of fabulously
wealthy elite Satan-worshiping sexual predators:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

Get together to help defend the wealthiest alleged sexual predator in
the world. It makes perfect sense!

Asking for sex makes you a predator? And I do mean you.
Touching someone sexually or exposing yourself to them without their
permission could (it\'s claimed he did this), asking for sex in exchange
for a horse just makes you a john, which is illegal in most
jurisdictions in the US,

I\'m sure thoughtout history there\'s a few girlfriends and wifes that has gotten more than that ...

 

[Ricky]

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 1:59:34 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Are you sure you are talking about a Tesla? I have the model X which has no hatches. It has doors and a tailgate/trunk and a frunk (front trunk). I can close any of them by pushing them shut. I do that on the frunk because it doesn\'t close itself, but have done it on the tail gate because it is super cautious to not harm anyone and often only needs to push something a tiny bit out of the way. If it won\'t, and I know what\'s wrong, I push it closed and drive off. I\'ve closed the doors by hand as well.

What are you talking about? I think the model X is the only Tesla that closes it\'s own doors and tailgate.

Where did you hear about this?

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricky]

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
eyes off the road.

Or just common sense will do it.

The reason they don\'t have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Martin Brown]

On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high
end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been
stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be
done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers
were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves
understood them batter than anyone else!

Roadside assistance couldn\'t do anything with it beyond dragging it onto
a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and \"no fault
found\" from the dealer. It didn\'t ever do it again which was a bonus.

I discovered the hard way after parking in a very tight spot in an
underground carpark that entering the car by the passenger door and then
trying to start the car would also set off the alarm.

Luckily there was just enough room to open the drivers side door to
satisfy the stupid magnetic door sensor (but barely enough to get a
piece of paper through the resulting crack in the door).

Another that got me on a test drive (take home for the weekend to try)
was a Saab where you cannot get the keys out of ignition unless you put
the damn thing into reverse gear. The fleet manager forgot to tell me
that crucial detail - lucky we had a secure garage at home.

The only thing it did well was driving at speed on cobbled streets.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Phil Hobbs]

Martin Brown wrote:

On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high
end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been
stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be
done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers
were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves
understood them batter than anyone else!

Roadside assistance couldn\'t do anything with it beyond dragging it onto
a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and \"no fault
found\" from the dealer. It didn\'t ever do it again which was a bonus.

I discovered the hard way after parking in a very tight spot in an
underground carpark that entering the car by the passenger door and then
trying to start the car would also set off the alarm.

Luckily there was just enough room to open the drivers side door to
satisfy the stupid magnetic door sensor (but barely enough to get a
piece of paper through the resulting crack in the door).

Another that got me on a test drive (take home for the weekend to try)
was a Saab where you cannot get the keys out of ignition unless you put
the damn thing into reverse gear. The fleet manager forgot to tell me
that crucial detail - lucky we had a secure garage at home.

The only thing it did well was driving at speed on cobbled streets.

Yeah, I like cars that do as they\'re damn well told. I drive a 2012
convertible Mustang that has a manual transmission and none of that
other crap, and intend to keep it going till I die.

Failing that, I might switch to something that\'s easy to get parts for,
such as a 1972 Chevelle.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Cydrome Leader]

Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
eyes off the road.

Or just common sense will do it.

The reason they don\'t have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.

Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
<presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
eyes off the road.

Or just common sense will do it.

The reason they don\'t have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.

Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.

Right. It\'s a car.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Don Y]

On 5/19/2022 10:59 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

That\'s some stupid PHB\'s notion (or, some consultant hired by same)
of how things should work. I\'m sure there is formal language
that defines that behavior -- for *some* reason (which MAY make
sense but likely isn\'t intuitive to the driver/user)

Many SUVs complain if the hatchback is left open. How do you
transport an \"oversize load\" if you can\'t leave the item
hanging out the ass end of the vehicle? (buy a truck, instead?)
You can trip the sensor in the latch -- but then you\'re still
faced with the problem of holding the hatch \"partially closed\"
(there\'s often nothing to \"tie onto\" on the hatch!)

SWMBO\'s vehicle has the controls for the seat heaters located on the
center console. So, if you ever set anything on it (e.g., her purse),
you will likely turn one or both on. You won\'t see the VISUAL indicator
that tells you this -- because it has been covered by the object.
Instead, you\'ll eventually feel the seat getting unusually warm...

The car is smart enough to remember which the positions we each prefer
for the driver\'s seat (but not the passenger\'s! :< ). And, our
music preferences, station presets, order in which we like to see
audio sources listed, etc. *BUT*, always sets the entertainment
system to the state it was in when the car was last driven -- regardless
of the driver! (so \"her\" radio station will be selected even if it
doesn\'t exist in my presets -- and, I was listening to a specific MP3
when I last drove the vehicle.

*Someone* had to make a conscious decision as to where these
controls would be sited, how implemented and their overall behavior.
You\'d assume companies with the resources of car manufacturers would
have smarter people making those decisions!

 

[bitrex]

On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
eyes off the road.

Or just common sense will do it.

The reason they don\'t have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.

Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.


Right. It\'s a car.

An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand
fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove
compartment.

Mind you to my reading this option doesn\'t use the existing HVAC ducting
to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers
and ductwork.

 

[bitrex]

On 5/19/2022 9:39 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
eyes off the road.

Or just common sense will do it.

The reason they don\'t have a choice is the proliferation of
controls.  Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the
dash for everything.

Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.


Right. It\'s a car.


An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand
fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove
compartment.

Mind you to my reading this option doesn\'t use the existing HVAC ducting
to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers
and ductwork.

This isn\'t a joke btw folks, I\'m not shitting you it\'s a real option

 

[Ricky]

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 5:49:21 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:

Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
eyes off the road.

Or just common sense will do it.

The reason they don\'t have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.
Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.

Ok, but people buy them. That makes them necessary for those who make and sell the cars. They can\'t sell what people don\'t buy.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[rbowman]

On 05/19/2022 07:39 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
eyes off the road.

Or just common sense will do it.

The reason they don\'t have a choice is the proliferation of
controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the
dash for everything.

Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.


Right. It\'s a car.


An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand
fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove
compartment.

Mind you to my reading this option doesn\'t use the existing HVAC ducting
to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers
and ductwork.

What do they have against little pine trees?

 

[Ricky]

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 9:47:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 5/19/2022 9:39 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
eyes off the road.

Or just common sense will do it.

The reason they don\'t have a choice is the proliferation of
controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the
dash for everything.

Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.


Right. It\'s a car.


An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand
fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove
compartment.

Mind you to my reading this option doesn\'t use the existing HVAC ducting
to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers
and ductwork.
This isn\'t a joke btw folks, I\'m not shitting you it\'s a real option

What\'s wrong with that? People have been using scents in cars for decades. So the luxury car brand is making available without stopping at a gas station... sounds like an improvement for those who like it.

Why is everyone on the rag over the fact that people like things and car makers provide them? What a bunch of whiny little girls!

--

Rick C.

-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Don Y]

On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:

Mind you to my reading this option doesn\'t use the existing HVAC ducting to
manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and
ductwork.

This isn\'t a joke btw folks, I\'m not shitting you it\'s a real option

Neighbor\'s vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
cold while driving?)

There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

Neighbor\'s Huracan is some god-awful (IMO) color -- that he\'s proud
of (cuz it\'s one-of-a-kind).

Another is proud that he gets *8* MPG!

To some folks, cars are the equivalent of jewelry (what role does THAT
play?).

OTOH, there are some \"features\" that definitely improve a driving experience.

I sure wouldn\'t like to be tooling around without ACbrrr. And, the
backup cameras are nice (though I suspect too many folks rely on them
too heavily). As are the LIDAR detectors for cars/people passing behind
you as you back out (don\'t RELY on it but it\'s a nice fallback to catch
cases you may have missed).

I like the fact that the seats remember where I like them to be positioned
as do the mirrors.

And, as I back into the garage, it\'s nice that the side mirrors automatically
tilt downward to give me a better view of what\'s alongside the car as I
back in.

Do I need a moonroof? No (OTOH, I enjoy removing the roof panels on *my*
vehicle!). Or, the ability to close the hatchback from the driver\'s seat?
(why didn\'t I close it when I was back there??!)

But, people like toys in their vehicles. Esp american car vendors.
Do you really need a HUD to get from point A to point B?? Is there
some reason you can\'t notice the most recent speed limit sign as
you pass it -- why rely on the one displayed in your HUD?!

 

[Jeff Layman]

On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

Perhaps something like this would help. ;-)
<https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/05/new-bluetooth-hack-can-unlock-your-tesla-and-all-kinds-of-other-devices/>

--

Jeff

 

[Jeroen Belleman]

On 2022-05-20 04:31, Ricky wrote:

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 5:49:21 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin
wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing
the button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently,
when you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and
refuses to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word--
Belleman
With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car
designers back to using knobs that you can grab and turn
without taking your eyes off the road. with
Or just common sense will do it.

The reason they don\'t have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.
Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.

Ok, but people buy them. That makes them necessary for those who make and sell the cars. They can\'t sell what people don\'t buy.

I\'d gladly buy a car with a manual transmission and fewer useless gadgets,
but I still want the airco, the auto-darkening rear view mirror, etc.
They just don\'t seem to exist anymore. Cars are computers on wheels
these days, with all the weird bugs that entails.

Jeroen Belleman