A Sony' CRTs color is screwed up.

[Arfa Daily]

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message news:QdKrt.32084$rW2.30902@newsfe05.iad...
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
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** Tears ..............

Crocodile tears.
Your seeming "gratitude" would be believable if you would commit
yourself to psychiatric treatment -- or at least unburdening yourself
to a close friend who cares about you (assuming such exists).

TBH, I took it as a rare flash of comedy from Phil. I thought it was
just 'tongue in cheek'?

You are much too forgiving of Phil's grotesque misbehavior, simply because
he is extremely knowledgeable about electronics and electronics servicing.

It is he who created the problem with his beyond-rude behavior. Neither I
nor anyone in this group is obliged to tolerate it or remain silent.

But in this case, I really think that it was just his way of expressing
tongue in cheek humour. Perhaps it doesn't translate into American ? British
and Australian humour are very similar

Arfa

 

[Phil Allison]

"Arfa Daily"

TBH, I took it as a rare flash of comedy from Phil. I thought it was
just 'tongue in cheek'?

You are much too forgiving of Phil's grotesque misbehavior, simply
because he is extremely knowledgeable about electronics and electronics
servicing.

It is he who created the problem with his beyond-rude behavior. Neither I
nor anyone in this group is obliged to tolerate it or remain silent.

But in this case, I really think that it was just his way of expressing
tongue in cheek humour. Perhaps it doesn't translate into American ?
British and Australian humour are very similar

** Of course it was intended as humour.

WS takes everything so damn literally and thinks he can read people's minds
based only on posted words.

Wot a fool.


.... Phil

 

I seems we have another one now. Your personal demon.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Smarty"

I have been accused of many things in my engineering career, but I assure
you that "authority worship" has never been one of them. The most common
'complaint' I have suffered has always been: "Boy, he sure asks a lot of
questions." or "He won't take the obvious answer" I suffer these comments
gladly, since I believe this is the ONLY good way to reveal the actual
underlying facts and truth in technical areas.

** The explanation for many things is often simple enough to understand but
very hard for those not familiar with the matter to BELIEVE - Einstein is
said to have made such a remark about his theory of Relativity.

The usual solution to "wise up" the doubters is by use of a convincing
demonstration - however those same doubters can invent their own test then
come up with damn near anything.

What NEVER works is to hold a "mid air" debate using hypothetical examples
and thought experiments - cos that is little more than playing mindless
word games.

The nature of web forums IS such that it lends itself only to the latter
approach and renders the former near impossible.

Unfortunately, this same approach raises the hackles of Internet trolls,
technical wannabes, and pompous technical illiterates, who most certainly
inhabit the Internet in newsgroups, forums and elsewhere.

** See above for the explanation.

Anecdote:

Many moons ago, I came up with a simple demonstration that showed clearly
how a number of different make and model stereo power amplifiers sounded
exactly the same. This was to clear up the notion strongly held by their
various owners that each possessed its own, distinctive "sound".

Most who tried the new test were flatly unimpressed, returned to their old
and discredited test method and continued to believe in non existent
differences as before.

My simple test is explained here:

http://sound.westhost.com/absw.htm


..... Phil

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Phil Allison" wrote in message news:b1a664F110jU1@mid.individual.net...
"Arfa Daily"

TBH, I took it as a rare flash of comedy from Phil. I thought it was
just 'tongue in cheek'?

The only interesting "flash" from Phil would be spontaneous combustion.

You are much too forgiving of Phil's grotesque misbehavior,
simply because he is extremely knowledgeable about electronics
and electronics servicing.

It is he who created the problem with his beyond-rude behavior. Neither
I nor anyone in this group is obliged to tolerate it or remain silent.

But in this case, I really think that it was just his way of expressing
tongue in cheek humour. Perhaps it doesn't translate into American? British
and Australian humour are very similar.

** Of course it was intended as humour.

Of course it wasn't. You are emotionally disturbed person who says whatever he
likes because he knows he can get away with it.

I see the same thing in every UseNet group. Person A attacks person B, and
when B defends himself, he's jumped on as the cause of the problem. Human
beings are moral idiots. They tolerate bad behavior, then blame the victim.

Phil is clearly /capable/ of doing serious harm to someone (though whether he
actually would is unknowable). When it happens, everyone in this group will
say "Oh, gee, I never suspected. He was just making jokes." Yeah, sure.

Phil is not a lighthearted clown. He has emotional problems. And if you can't
see that, if you think the rude, nasty things he says are "just in fun"...
What can I say?

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Phil Allison" wrote in message news:b1a9btF1jv8U1@mid.individual.net...

Many moons ago, I came up with a simple demonstration
that showed clearly how a number of different make and
model stereo power amplifiers sounded exactly the same.

Not so. The correct conclusion would have been that the amplifiers were
indistinguishable under the test conditions. There has never been any proof of
what ABX testing does or does not reveal. You are assuming it is a valid test.
It might or might not be. But no one wants to go to the trouble to find out.

Amplifiers that "measure well" can and do sound different. (I can give an
example if you like.) Now, I can suggest a listening test that probably reveal
real differences among amplifiers. But when I suggest it, you will scream your
heads off and call me all sorts of names.

 

[Phil Allison]

"William Sommerwerck"

** Of course it was intended as humour.

WS takes everything so damn literally and thinks he can read
people's minds based only on posted words.

Of course it wasn't.

** I am being stalked by WS.

Only people with a mental illness stalk others, on usenet or in real life.

Only people with a mental illness try to punish those who were not
sufficiently polite to them on usenet or in real life.




..... Phil

 

[Smarty]

On 6/5/2013 10:08 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

"Smarty"
I have been accused of many things in my engineering career, but I assure
you that "authority worship" has never been one of them. The most common
'complaint' I have suffered has always been: "Boy, he sure asks a lot of
questions." or "He won't take the obvious answer" I suffer these comments
gladly, since I believe this is the ONLY good way to reveal the actual
underlying facts and truth in technical areas.

** The explanation for many things is often simple enough to understand but
very hard for those not familiar with the matter to BELIEVE - Einstein is
said to have made such a remark about his theory of Relativity.

The usual solution to "wise up" the doubters is by use of a convincing
demonstration - however those same doubters can invent their own test then
come up with damn near anything.

What NEVER works is to hold a "mid air" debate using hypothetical examples
and thought experiments - cos that is little more than playing mindless
word games.

The nature of web forums IS such that it lends itself only to the latter
approach and renders the former near impossible.


Unfortunately, this same approach raises the hackles of Internet trolls,
technical wannabes, and pompous technical illiterates, who most certainly
inhabit the Internet in newsgroups, forums and elsewhere.
** See above for the explanation.

Anecdote:

Many moons ago, I came up with a simple demonstration that showed clearly
how a number of different make and model stereo power amplifiers sounded
exactly the same. This was to clear up the notion strongly held by their
various owners that each possessed its own, distinctive "sound".

Most who tried the new test were flatly unimpressed, returned to their old
and discredited test method and continued to believe in non existent
differences as before.

My simple test is explained here:

http://sound.westhost.com/absw.htm


.... Phil

As a forum for lively conversation, the internet is arguably unbeatable

given its scope both demographically as well as the global reach, but
sadly it does indeed create the very hollow and unconvincing exchanges
you describe.

On the subject of amplifier comparisons, I share your belief that much
of the purported differences people supposedly hear and pay a huge
premium to own are non-existent, or at least highly exaggerated. Biases
arising from "golden-eared" pretentious reviewers add to the deception,
as does the fundamental greed which causes dealers and manufacturers to
create artificial claims and product distinctions which unwary consumers
pay needlessly to own. Pretentious buyers and their egos are also ripe
for being exploited. Simple differences in amplitude correlate highly
with "goodness" in the ears of the uninformed.

Some of the earlier studies on perceptual coding which were done at the
onset of mpeg compression and other lossy techniques amply demonstrated
how very easily the ear and brain can be fooled. The human hearing
apparatus is an awesome and miraculous thing, yet it has virtually no
memory nor quantitative ways to compare A/B, and is, in the final
analysis, mediated by a very imprecise thinking and cognition process
which is highly subjective and, to this day, not well understood.

Human frailty and limited perceptual range put aside, we also have the
ultimate issue of creating "high fidelity" simulations of things which
never can be absolute. The Cleveland Philharmonic sounds a lot different
in the orchestra pit than it does from the balcony. And the acoustic
impact of a full audience on reflected energy may differ from season to
season based on something as simple as heavier winter fabrics filling
the concert hall. In the final analysis, any pretense that there is some
form of "best" solution need only look at the same type of market-driven
hype surrounding wines, cigars, gourmet foods, and many other
discretionary purchases. The world is loaded with "experts" who
pontificate and critique and extol and denounce, but they are,
ultimately, narcissistic, have hidden agendas, or feel their judgement
somehow matters more because they have a journalistic megaphone. Sadly,
the internet has enlarged their audiences.

End of rant--------------------------------------

 

[Phil Allison]

"William Sommerwanker TROLL"
<

"Phil Allison"
Many moons ago, I came up with a simple demonstration
that showed clearly how a number of different make and
model stereo power amplifiers sounded exactly the same.

Not so.

** It is so, if you put back the missing context for my remark.

You OVER-SNIPPING FUCKWIT !!!

The correct conclusion would have been that the amplifiers were
indistinguishable under the test conditions.

** That was my conclusion.

The test conditions were those of normal, home use.

There has never been any proof of what ABX testing does or does not
reveal.

** Wrong and irrelevant - my test had nothing to do with ABX.

Amplifiers that "measure well" can and do sound different.

** The ones in my test did not and that is all I set out to prove.

( They were ones I had available to me for loan or had been recently
repaired.)

(I can give an example if you like.)

** The amps compared included a Quad 405, a Crown D150 and several similar
amps built using a very elegant design by Australian engineer CT Murray.
Each was carefully bench tested prior to the listening test to make sure it
had no issues.

BTW:

I am not one bit interested in your ratbag opinions on audio or ANYTHING
else.

Fuck off - you ridiculous TROLL.


..... Phil

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:54:02 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

You are much too forgiving of Phil's grotesque misbehavior, simply because he
is extremely knowledgeable about electronics and electronics servicing.

Add me to the list of those that are willing to tolerate Phil. I
don't really care about style, tact, diplomacy, and professionalism.
There are places where all those are important but Usenet is not one
of those places. I'm only interested in the knowledge. At the bottom
of every garbage dumpster is a diamond. However, few are willing to
wade though the trash in order to find it.

Even the Nobel prize committee is willing to overlook mental problems
as long as the knowledge delivered is worthwhile.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash,_Jr.>

While I found the discussion between you and Mr Smarty on quadraphonic
history and technology very interesting and well worth reading, I did
not find anything of value in the associated name calling and
character assassinations engaged by both participants. It's really
not necessary to accuse someone of ineptitude in order to disagree
with them. I suggest you both ignore and lose the personal attacks.




--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Smarty]

On 6/5/2013 11:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:54:02 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

You are much too forgiving of Phil's grotesque misbehavior, simply because he
is extremely knowledgeable about electronics and electronics servicing.
Add me to the list of those that are willing to tolerate Phil. I
don't really care about style, tact, diplomacy, and professionalism.
There are places where all those are important but Usenet is not one
of those places. I'm only interested in the knowledge. At the bottom
of every garbage dumpster is a diamond. However, few are willing to
wade though the trash in order to find it.

Even the Nobel prize committee is willing to overlook mental problems
as long as the knowledge delivered is worthwhile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash,_Jr.

While I found the discussion between you and Mr Smarty on quadraphonic
history and technology very interesting and well worth reading, I did
not find anything of value in the associated name calling and
character assassinations engaged by both participants. It's really
not necessary to accuse someone of ineptitude in order to disagree
with them. I suggest you both ignore and lose the personal attacks.
Jeff,

You are, of course, correct. Let me offer an apology to William and to
this newsgroup for having provided at least half of the noise and
argumentation here. The personal attacks certainly do not add to the
body of technical understanding, and no doubt add confusion and anxiety
needlessly.

Ironically, I spend some amount of time with my grand-kids preaching
fairness, absolutely no name-calling, and respect for others. And in
fact, this very topic arose tonight at a birthday celebration, where my
5 year old grad-daughter was dealing with bullying at school.

I will sincerely avoid all such activities henceforth in the spirit of
going forward amicably, and again offer apologies to those whom I may
have offended.

 

[micky]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:59:36 -0400, "Wild_Bill"
<wb_wildbill@XSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

Magnets aren't good as John pointed out. It's best to keep magnets away from

I'd done it already by then, but only a little and I'm glad to say it
didn't make the picture worse.

CRTs, including older external speakers which don't have magnetic shielding.

You could use an electric soldering gun (Weller or similar design) or
possibly a bulk tape eraser.

I don't have a bulk tape eraser or a Weller soldering gun, but I do
have a WEN "75" soldering gun. That's the one in dark red plastic
made to look like an actual gun, a revolver, with indentations between
the places the bullets are supposed to be.

It has one light bulb at the base of the heating element, but the
element doesn't have two separated connections like the Weller does.

Instead it has one thin 2,5" rod, a tube with a heating element and
the return wire in it too.

Do you think that is close enough to the Weller??


After my Freecycle request, someone wrote that a table fan will work
as a degausser. He wrote "The fan I used had an induction motor** like
the ones found on cheap turntables.The magnetism came off the side. It
removed the mess a magnetized screwdriver had caused.(nephew: "Look at
the neat patterns on the screen!")" Is this a risky idea?

**Basically, an induction motor is any motor without brushes, right?
Like almost all small and mediuml fans?

 

[Phil Allison]

"Smarty

You are, of course, correct. Let me offer an apology to William and to
this newsgroup for having provided at least half of the noise and
argumentation here. The personal attacks certainly do not add to the body
of technical understanding, and no doubt add confusion and anxiety
needlessly.

Ironically, I spend some amount of time with my grand-kids preaching
fairness, absolutely no name-calling, and respect for others. And in fact,
this very topic arose tonight at a birthday celebration, where my 5 year
old grad-daughter was dealing with bullying at school.

I will sincerely avoid all such activities henceforth in the spirit of
going forward amicably, and again offer apologies to those whom I may have
offended.

** Wot a wimp out.

This newsgroups is chock full of fuckwit trolls and William one of the
worst.

Word of advice:

Never apologise to a troll - it only encourages them.




.... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"micky"


** FFS stop wasting your and our time.

Is the set's de-gaussing thermistor working or not ??

Does it go * BONG * at switch on or NOT ??

Odds-on it is the problem and when fixed the set will de-gauss itself.



.... Phil

 

[micky]

On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:43:59 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

"micky"


** FFS stop wasting your and our time.

Is the set's de-gaussing thermistor working or not ??

Don't know yet. No time or space to take it apart. Have to make
room.

Does it go * BONG * at switch on or NOT ??

No, I made a special effort to listen. Turned it on several times.
I hear a relay click, but the sound is almost the same turning it off
and turning it on.

But I don't think this tv ever went BONG, like one other did.

Odds-on it is the problem and when fixed the set will de-gauss itself.

That's added incentive to turn it around and take the back off.
Thanks.

... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"micky"
"Phil Allison"

"micky"


** FFS stop wasting your and our time.

Is the set's de-gaussing thermistor working or not ??

Don't know yet. No time or space to take it apart. Have to make
room.

Does it go * BONG * at switch on or NOT ??

No, I made a special effort to listen. Turned it on several times.
I hear a relay click, but the sound is almost the same turning it off
and turning it on.

But I don't think this tv ever went BONG, like one other did.

Odds-on it is the problem and when fixed the set will de-gauss itself.

That's added incentive to turn it around and take the back off.

** Be very careful poking about on the PCB !!!!!

Some Sony Trinitron portable sets were "live chassis" jobs.

Almost all the circuitry is at main voltage - so you need an isolation
tranny to work on them.


..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Arfa Daily"

As to purity errors being visible on black and white pictures, other than
the fact that the the phosphors have different efficiencies, and the drive
levels are different for assorted reasons, it doesn't actually matter that
much that the phosphors are being excited by the 'wrong' beams. The mix
will still make something that approximates to white - or shades of grey -
sufficiently well for it not to be glaringly obvious. More a sort of
'dirty patch' on the picture. However, as soon as a colour picture is
viewed on the same gaussed up CRT, the error is immediately visible

** I am still using a CRT monitor for my PC.

When I hold a speaker magnet about 6 inches away, white areas of the screen
become mottled with grey shadows.

However, the coloured parts change colour, blue to red, red to green etc.

QED.


..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

<jurb6006@gmail.com>

"Many moons ago, I came up with a simple demonstration that showed
clearly
how a number of different make and model stereo power amplifiers sounded
exactly the same. This was to clear up the notion strongly held by their
various owners that each possessed its own, distinctive "sound".
"

Perhaps, but Bob Carver proved the opposite.

** No he did not and neither has anyone else.

I have read about his "mimicking" of a few high end US amplifiers by
monkeying about with output impedances and bandwidths.

There is no similarity with my test.

All the amps used had very low output impedance and flat response
(+/-0.5dB ) to 25kHz - same as 98% of all hi-fi power amps.



.... Phil

 

"Many moons ago, I came up with a simple demonstration that showed clearly
how a number of different make and model stereo power amplifiers sounded

exactly the same. This was to clear up the notion strongly held by their
various owners that each possessed its own, distinctive "sound".
"

Perhaps, but Bob Carver proved the opposite.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Phil Allison" wrote in message news:b1ac1mF23gkU1@mid.individual.net...
"William Sommerwerck"

** Of course it was intended as humour.

WS takes everything so damn literally and thinks he can read
people's minds based only on posted words.

Of course it wasn't.

** I am being stalked by WS.
Only people with a mental illness stalk others, on usenet or in real life.
Only people with a mental illness try to punish those who were not
sufficiently polite to them on usenet or in real life.

Now I /am/ laughing. (Really.) Problem is, he means it.