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Michael Terrell
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I heard an ad for this company on the radio a few days ago. Has anyone here used this process?
https://www.nano-di.com/
https://www.nano-di.com/
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Their website is unpleasant to me. It is of course a viable solution for some things.
I have heard of people taking plotters fitted with a little milling end instead of ink and took regular copper plated board and mill out where they didn't want to conduct. That has advantages actually because you got more copper conducting where you want.
What is even the advantage of the PC board in the first place ? Point to point I got 3D. My two grand amps will be built on boards that emulate a breadboard. Of course I will compact it and cut off what is not needed to keep stray capacitance down. The real power part doesn't need a board.
Bottom line it this is cool and all that but I do not see it doing anything for us.
I have heard of people taking plotters fitted with a little milling end instead of ink and took regular copper plated board and mill out where they didn't want to conduct. That has advantages actually because you got more copper conducting where you want.
What is even the advantage of the PC board in the first place ? Point to point I got 3D. My two grand amps will be built on boards that emulate a breadboard. Of course I will compact it and cut off what is not needed to keep stray capacitance down. The real power part doesn't need a board.
Bottom line it this is cool and all that but I do not see it doing anything for us.
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Rick C
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:32:41 AM UTC-4, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
The devil is in the details. It all depends on the capabilities and cost. Obviously it has potential for prototype quantities with fast turn around. In the "Non-Planar 3D Design Rules" it lists 8/6 mils minimum space/trace widths. That's not going to cut it for most designs these days.
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Their website is unpleasant to me. It is of course a viable solution for some things.
I have heard of people taking plotters fitted with a little milling end instead of ink and took regular copper plated board and mill out where they didn't want to conduct. That has advantages actually because you got more copper conducting where you want.
What is even the advantage of the PC board in the first place ? Point to point I got 3D. My two grand amps will be built on boards that emulate a breadboard. Of course I will compact it and cut off what is not needed to keep stray capacitance down. The real power part doesn't need a board.
Bottom line it this is cool and all that but I do not see it doing anything for us.
The devil is in the details. It all depends on the capabilities and cost. Obviously it has potential for prototype quantities with fast turn around. In the "Non-Planar 3D Design Rules" it lists 8/6 mils minimum space/trace widths. That's not going to cut it for most designs these days.
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Rick C.
- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
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jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:b2aad32d-2e81-4635-96b4-7cdf6abdcda0@googlegroups.com:
Hey I know, genius. Why don't you print the rats nest that some of
the tube amps I saw decades ago looked like?
You don't know what a PC board is for? Wow.
And modern electronic devices like CPUs REQUIRE many multiple
layers.
If one is going to "3D print" heavy conductors to connect to high
current devices, one might as well use Silver.
How do you 'print' a Litz configuration "conductor"?
news:b2aad32d-2e81-4635-96b4-7cdf6abdcda0@googlegroups.com:
Their website is unpleasant to me. It is of course a viable
solution for some things.
I have heard of people taking plotters fitted with a little
milling end instead of ink and took regular copper plated board
and mill out where they didn't want to conduct. That has
advantages actually because you got more copper conducting where
you want.
What is even the advantage of the PC board in the first place ?
Point to point I got 3D. My two grand amps will be built on boards
that emulate a breadboard. Of course I will compact it and cut off
what is not needed to keep stray capacitance down. The real power
part doesn't need a board.
Bottom line it this is cool and all that but I do not see it doing
anything for us.
Hey I know, genius. Why don't you print the rats nest that some of
the tube amps I saw decades ago looked like?
You don't know what a PC board is for? Wow.
And modern electronic devices like CPUs REQUIRE many multiple
layers.
If one is going to "3D print" heavy conductors to connect to high
current devices, one might as well use Silver.
How do you 'print' a Litz configuration "conductor"?
Guest
> Hey I know, genius. Why don't you print the rats nest that some of the tube amps I saw decades ago looked like?
Well for one it costs $300 to refill my fucking printer. I'll never has another inkjet, bublejet or phaser or any of that shit. No more.
<You don't know what a PC board is for? Wow.
Well after a few years in the business the way I would put it is that RCA developed it, or had a hand in it and it is to facilitate more easy manufacture of electronics goods which increases profits, and facilitates much more automation which further increases profits.
Not specifically really, but it is about the only way to do it unless you want your laptop to not fit in the house.
>If one is going to "3D print" heavy conductors to connect to >high current devices, one might as well use Silver.
The only time it makes sense to use silver is when you can use alot less of it and usually at least one other reason.
>How do you 'print' a Litz configuration "conductor"?
You tell me, I wouldn't try it. Just print the pads and buy what you need.
Well for one it costs $300 to refill my fucking printer. I'll never has another inkjet, bublejet or phaser or any of that shit. No more.
<You don't know what a PC board is for? Wow.
Well after a few years in the business the way I would put it is that RCA developed it, or had a hand in it and it is to facilitate more easy manufacture of electronics goods which increases profits, and facilitates much more automation which further increases profits.
And modern electronic devices like CPUs REQUIRE many multiple
layers.
Not specifically really, but it is about the only way to do it unless you want your laptop to not fit in the house.
>If one is going to "3D print" heavy conductors to connect to >high current devices, one might as well use Silver.
The only time it makes sense to use silver is when you can use alot less of it and usually at least one other reason.
>How do you 'print' a Litz configuration "conductor"?
You tell me, I wouldn't try it. Just print the pads and buy what you need.
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jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:f4be3e57-9d63-4df5-b445-5765719d54f5@googlegroups.com:
YES SPECIFICALLY.
Your "house sized" laptop would also be dog slow and riddled with
logic arrors.
news:f4be3e57-9d63-4df5-b445-5765719d54f5@googlegroups.com:
Not specifically really, but it is about the only way to do it
unless you want your laptop to not fit in the house.
YES SPECIFICALLY.
Your "house sized" laptop would also be dog slow and riddled with
logic arrors.
Guest
Your "house sized" laptop would also be dog slow and riddled with
logic arrors.
And that separates it from Windows PCs just how ?
Guest
jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in news:7fcccec0-3e1a-4611-be01-
fabf8cb866bf@googlegroups.com:
The discussion was about hardware dipshit.
Your iane OS jab is actually pretty stupid.
Windows is not slow. Insecure a bit perhaps, but NOT slow.
If you are having problems you would like to blame Windows for, I
suggest you upgrade your dog slow hardware, because the OS is not to
blame.
fabf8cb866bf@googlegroups.com:
Your "house sized" laptop would also be dog slow and riddled with
logic arrors.
And that separates it from Windows PCs just how ?
The discussion was about hardware dipshit.
Your iane OS jab is actually pretty stupid.
Windows is not slow. Insecure a bit perhaps, but NOT slow.
If you are having problems you would like to blame Windows for, I
suggest you upgrade your dog slow hardware, because the OS is not to
blame.
Guest
On Wednesday, 10 July 2019 09:09:57 UTC+1, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> The discussion was about hardware dipshit.
what is a hardware dipshit? Does your pc have one?
> Windows is not slow. Insecure a bit perhaps, but NOT slow.
It sure is.
It's wildly inefficient.
NT
> The discussion was about hardware dipshit.
what is a hardware dipshit? Does your pc have one?
> Windows is not slow. Insecure a bit perhaps, but NOT slow.
It sure is.
If you are having problems you would like to blame Windows for, I
suggest you upgrade your dog slow hardware, because the OS is not to
blame.
It's wildly inefficient.
NT
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mpm
Guest
On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 2:27:27 AM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
I have not used it, but saw things similar at the Orlando FabTECH show.
Worth a visit, but I think the next one is in Chicago?
Anyway, I'm old. (-ish). And lazy.
So I get a tech to do the Gerbers and send them off to JLBPCB.
A week later, perfect boards are here - at ridiculously low cost.
I heard an ad for this company on the radio a few days ago. Has anyone here used this process?
https://www.nano-di.com/
I have not used it, but saw things similar at the Orlando FabTECH show.
Worth a visit, but I think the next one is in Chicago?
Anyway, I'm old. (-ish). And lazy.
So I get a tech to do the Gerbers and send them off to JLBPCB.
A week later, perfect boards are here - at ridiculously low cost.
Guest
tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in news:0034d770-6599-40ac-a695-94f7834bc253
@googlegroups.com:
Oh boy, a grammar lame lamer.
Your PC has one. Run to the bathroom and look in the mirror to see
it.
@googlegroups.com:
what is a hardware dipshit? Does your pc have one?
Oh boy, a grammar lame lamer.
Your PC has one. Run to the bathroom and look in the mirror to see
it.
Guest
tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in news:0034d770-6599-40ac-a695-
94f7834bc253@googlegroups.com:
Incomplete. Is what? Which one?
You think a modern OS is slow?
Again, ya fucking dope, it is your PC and its operator.
Today, it is particularly the operator.
So either you were talking about the "insecure a bit" part or you
have again demonstrated that it is you whom is slow.
But since you are unable to specify in you vague, incomplete
response...
Stupid? You sure *is*.
94f7834bc253@googlegroups.com:
Windows is not slow. Insecure a bit perhaps, but NOT slow.
It sure is.
Incomplete. Is what? Which one?
You think a modern OS is slow?
Again, ya fucking dope, it is your PC and its operator.
Today, it is particularly the operator.
So either you were talking about the "insecure a bit" part or you
have again demonstrated that it is you whom is slow.
But since you are unable to specify in you vague, incomplete
response...
Stupid? You sure *is*.
Guest
tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in
news:0034d770-6599-40ac-a695-94f7834bc253@googlegroups.com:
The GUI generation front end user interface elements in Windows are
not any slower than those in Linux, except for those Linux machines
set up bare bones mode on their desktop.
Benchmarks of the same apps run just as fast under each.
The big slowdown today is the backtrack code that had to be created
by Intel to fix their vulnerability.
You were saying, ye of so little CS knowledge?
news:0034d770-6599-40ac-a695-94f7834bc253@googlegroups.com:
If you are having problems you would like to blame Windows for,
I
suggest you upgrade your dog slow hardware, because the OS is not
to blame.
It's wildly inefficient.
The GUI generation front end user interface elements in Windows are
not any slower than those in Linux, except for those Linux machines
set up bare bones mode on their desktop.
Benchmarks of the same apps run just as fast under each.
The big slowdown today is the backtrack code that had to be created
by Intel to fix their vulnerability.
You were saying, ye of so little CS knowledge?
Guest
On Wednesday, 10 July 2019 13:15:09 UTC+1, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
both slow & insecure
> You think a modern OS is slow?
yep.
> Again, ya fucking dope, it is your PC and its operator.
it can't be either of those, since neither runs Windows.
bzzt
the word is 'are', and again you're wrong. As almost always. Dunno how you manage that.
tabbypurr wrote in news:0034d770-6599-40ac-a695-
94f7834bc253@googlegroups.com:
Windows is not slow. Insecure a bit perhaps, but NOT slow.
It sure is.
Incomplete. Is what? Which one?
both slow & insecure
> You think a modern OS is slow?
yep.
> Again, ya fucking dope, it is your PC and its operator.
it can't be either of those, since neither runs Windows.
Today, it is particularly the operator.
So either you were talking about the "insecure a bit" part or you
have again demonstrated that it is you whom is slow.
bzzt
But since you are unable to specify in you vague, incomplete
response...
Stupid? You sure *is*.
the word is 'are', and again you're wrong. As almost always. Dunno how you manage that.
Guest
On Wednesday, 10 July 2019 13:18:44 UTC+1, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
right
No, the slowness is primarily caused by inefficient code & failure to match code size to machine ability. This is why so many new computers are painfully slow.
NT
tabbypurr wrote in
news:0034d770-6599-40ac-a695-94f7834bc253@googlegroups.com:
If you are having problems you would like to blame Windows for,
I
suggest you upgrade your dog slow hardware, because the OS is not
to blame.
It's wildly inefficient.
The GUI generation front end user interface elements in Windows are
not any slower than those in Linux, except for those Linux machines
set up bare bones mode on their desktop.
right
Benchmarks of the same apps run just as fast under each.
The big slowdown today is the backtrack code that had to be created
by Intel to fix their vulnerability.
You were saying, ye of so little CS knowledge?
No, the slowness is primarily caused by inefficient code & failure to match code size to machine ability. This is why so many new computers are painfully slow.
NT
Guest
jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in news:c23000e6-2bd1-4c69-95f2-887b323c47d2
@googlegroups.com:
> Windows is the biggest virus ever written.
Yeah... it takes out computer idiots like you, and leaves you
bitching like Donald J. Trump about shit that isn't even real.
While *US* real men USE the machine for what they were designed for.
Instant Karma, fucktard. *WE* can only hope it gets to you soon.
@googlegroups.com:
> Windows is the biggest virus ever written.
Yeah... it takes out computer idiots like you, and leaves you
bitching like Donald J. Trump about shit that isn't even real.
While *US* real men USE the machine for what they were designed for.
Instant Karma, fucktard. *WE* can only hope it gets to you soon.
Guest
tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in
news:0b0ae9d4-611b-4062-869b-2a80ad9bbef5@googlegroups.com:
You are an abject idiot.
My laptop does 3D CAD and finite element analysis pretty swiftly.
Faster than any POS you ever owned. You do not have the experience
and observational tools (a working brain or decent PC) to understand,
much less profess on how (quickly) computers work. Obviously.
news:0b0ae9d4-611b-4062-869b-2a80ad9bbef5@googlegroups.com:
No, the slowness is primarily caused by inefficient code & failure
to match code size to machine ability. This is why so many new
computers are painfully slow.
You are an abject idiot.
My laptop does 3D CAD and finite element analysis pretty swiftly.
Faster than any POS you ever owned. You do not have the experience
and observational tools (a working brain or decent PC) to understand,
much less profess on how (quickly) computers work. Obviously.
Guest
tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in
news:f28cef9d-a527-4a37-9378-237e1724fd47@googlegroups.com:
I put it in highlight, just for you. And I knew you would pull this
stupid baby bullshit... again. Wake up, fucktard. It was
deliberate.
You sure IS stupid, boy! (IS: Information System)
news:f28cef9d-a527-4a37-9378-237e1724fd47@googlegroups.com:
Stupid? You sure *is*.
the word is 'are', and again you're wrong. As almost always. Dunno
how you manage that.
I put it in highlight, just for you. And I knew you would pull this
stupid baby bullshit... again. Wake up, fucktard. It was
deliberate.
You sure IS stupid, boy! (IS: Information System)
Guest
> If you are having problems you would like to blame Windows for, >I suggest you upgrade your dog slow hardware, because the OS is >not to blame.
Slow PCs around here get scrapped. Windows is the biggest virus ever written. Junk. Like VHS, inferior but popular.
Slow PCs around here get scrapped. Windows is the biggest virus ever written. Junk. Like VHS, inferior but popular.
Guest
>The average slow pc runs fast with a lighter OS. Just gotta match >the 2.
Twenty year old software on ten year old hardware. I never meant to keep it this long but it runs so well, and I have compared it to many newer ones and they just can't do it.
There is one OS I think is extra slow - Vista. It takes minutes to CLOSE Firefox. Even the GUI is slow, go into a text area and it is like a whole second sometimes before the cursor changes. And booting ? Go buy a new car and take a trip for a few days. And it has been like that since day one when I bought it new. It has about the same numbers as my XP box just a different OS.
Twenty year old software on ten year old hardware. I never meant to keep it this long but it runs so well, and I have compared it to many newer ones and they just can't do it.
There is one OS I think is extra slow - Vista. It takes minutes to CLOSE Firefox. Even the GUI is slow, go into a text area and it is like a whole second sometimes before the cursor changes. And booting ? Go buy a new car and take a trip for a few days. And it has been like that since day one when I bought it new. It has about the same numbers as my XP box just a different OS.