2TB upgraded to 32G

[Clifford Heath]

On 19/5/19 4:20 pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sun, 19 May 2019 06:00:07 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote:

I have been using Samsung MVMe (pronounced "envy me") 960 Pro for my
primary (256 GB) and secondary (512 GB, 5.2 TB written) drives, for
years. Copying 1 GB files takes about one second. Makes moving movie
files effortless.

I'm jealous. As I write, I'm copying my movie and music archive from
one USB 3.0 2TB hard disk, to a similar drive. Unfortunately, I
decided to do it using a Chromebook 14 (CB3-431-C5FM), which
conveniently had two USB 3.0 ports. I'm getting only about 1
GB/minute.

They're probably on the same USB root hub. That doesn't work well.
I get faster writes to my NAS over Gb Ethernet, about 40MB/sec, and much
faster to/from a USB3 SSD.

 

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:3569cc8c-54dd-421f-83f8-89e99b0a686d@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
On Sun, 19 May 2019 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.
256GB.

Or, cram more than one chip in a package to get 2TB:
https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business/DTUGT
Only $1,300:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-
details.
asp?Edp
No=5223017&CatId=9618
Ouch.

I guess there is a price premium for size. I just ordered a 2 TB
flash drive (as in a 2.5 inch hard drive replacement) for my
laptop for less than $70. While there might not be 1 TB on a
chip, a flash drive doesn't have to use only one chip. I would
not be surprised to find 2 TB flash drives to be available. Just
not at a low price.

Illiterate fucks. We ALL already knew what was available in an SSD
form factor.

Micro SD chips, however, are NOT at that size yet.

And $70 for a 2TB flash drive sounds like the most lame slow POS
ever made. Anything with any data transfer rates worth looking at
are not $70 each.

And if the hole (mount location)is there and you already have
flash for the OS, the drive to still buy is spinning media.
Cheaper, more reliable, and just as fast with a flashcache on board.
If it fits, I still buy real HDs. Far greater capacity.

And using flash for a Linux swap drive also causes problems when
it is on the same physical drive as the OS.

 

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:umm1eehomcogab2mic316g3h83bns1hkjs@4ax.com:

On Sun, 19 May 2019 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.
256GB.

Or, cram more than one chip in a package to get 2TB:
https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business/DTUGT
Only $1,300:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-
details.a
sp?EdpNo=5223017&CatId=9618> Ouch.

Ouch? I do not think so, dipshit.

The key word for you to go look up is CHIP. Not some lame stacked
thumb drive.


The truly stupid behavior, however, is where you actually spent
time searching. Here is a hint... The form factor is micro sd.

AGAIN, idiot... there are no terabyte CHIPs yet.

I thought it was stupid that you introduce your lame 'accent' to
your Usenet posts 'computah' and such other stupid shit. Now I am
convinced because no matter how smart you are, your lame personality
shows through.

Now, you are actually stupid enough to believe that sandisk and
samsung do not know what they are doing.

Par for the course for someone stupid enough to buy from tiger
direct. That is a huge tell right there. msrp or higher is
guaranteed.

And lets not forget that the entire post the lame fuck made was
off topic to start. Yet you guys want to actually suck up to his
stupidity.

 

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in
news:gkc3dpF2kl2U1@mid.individual.net:

On 19/05/2019 2:08 pm, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in news:gkbvkrF1rplU1
@mid.individual.net:

I thought you restricted such behaviour to responses to a
specific poster. Widening your field?

Sylvia.

It was a jackass stupid post and especially for this group. Dig?
Like I need to answer to anybody in Usenet.

And who ever told you that you were qualified to make
assessments
about others? Particularly of the unsolicited, unprofessional,
unqualified, unneeded variety.

My responses... to that particular poster, were to that
particular poster. My responses to this particular poster are to
this particular poster. My responses to you are to you. See how
that works?

Not really.

I can tell. You have vision problems. Yes, really.

> This is Usenet.

No shit. That is what I stated.

If you want a private conversation,
this is not the place for it.

Did you see me asking for a private conversationm, twit?

You responded to a posting.

No shit.

> I responded to a posting.

No. You stirred your little shit pot again. Your post, in fact,
was the antithesis of what a Usenet post is supposed to be. Your
post had ZERO to do with the topic of the thread.

I'm pretty
sure that's how it really works.

I am pretty sure the credence I place in your declarations hover
pretty close to nil. I am pretty certain that is how it works.

Sylvia.

I was referring to the assessment crap.

Yeah, you can post, but if your opinionated crap slips through, it
will get called crap. That's how it really works.

 

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:7as1eet8g11g686rkc3jj5bc2npom80rsh@4ax.com:

I'm jealous. As I write, I'm copying my movie and music archive
from one USB 3.0 2TB hard disk, to a similar drive.
Unfortunately, I decided to do it using a Chromebook 14
(CB3-431-C5FM), which conveniently had two USB 3.0 ports. I'm
getting only about 1 GB/minute. At that rate, the 2TB copy should
take 33.3 hrs. Chrome OS doesn't give me much in the way of
performance diagnostics, so I can't tell where the bottleneck is
located. Of course, I stupidly decided to copy the entire drive
in one pass, so I can't interrupt the copy without making a mess.
Argh.

You cannot figure out where the bottleneck is?

Two USB drives. Same USB hub controller or two seperate ones
inside the chromebook?

It has to go from the stick to RAM and then to the other stick.

On a move to a hard drive the write operations are chached and
handled on the drive electronics so uniterrupted streams to the
drive are typical. On an SSD a huge file streaming to it gets
slowed by machine internals breaking things up into blocks and
because the progress monitoring of a file write is different on an
SSD.

Remember MFM? A file write took place and the file writing
utility (MSDOS) or other checks the write integrity with a write op
CRC, etc. afiter the file write. I know I refer to mere hardware
interface. The goal was to use old small and slow to refer to the
method.

an SDD checks the file write integrity? not the same. They go as
they roll.

With the larger sizes, it seems that reading the entire file to
perform a CRC test is unfeasible. So the write utilities have
modified the methods of both writing and verifying.

 

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:qbqrd7$md3$1
@dont-email.me:

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess there is a price premium for size. I just ordered a 2 TB
flash drive (as in a 2.5 inch hard drive replacement) for my
laptop for less than $70. While there might not be 1 TB on a
chip,
a flash drive doesn't have to use only one chip. I would not be
surprised to find 2 TB flash drives to be available. Just not at
a low price.

The price of SSD, M.2, MVMe, etc solid state drives are rapidly
dropping.

I have been using Samsung MVMe (pronounced "envy me") 960 Pro for
my
primary (256 GB) and secondary (512 GB, 5.2 TB written) drives,
for
years. Copying 1 GB files takes about one second. Makes moving
movie
files effortless.

Also installed is a little used 1 TB conventional drive.

Whether it takes 3 seconds or twenty three seconds, it is still
'effortless' either way.

You also watch pots of water boil?

 

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:7pp1eetflohingbht3mq04rqkp7j351ikm@4ax.com:

Incidentally, if you need a USB 3.1 interface, there are cheap USB to
SATA adapters:
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16812400693
I use something similar except it's only 250GB and slower USB 3.0.

Yes that show up as an ATAPI drive at an extreme hit to data rates.
They claim fast rates, but they show the drive's rate ability and the
interface speed capability, not the actual interface capability

A USB 3.1 drive enclosure to USB-C with a USB C to A adapter.
Even those can have lame interfaces on them. There are a few required
chips. Otherwise it could be an old interface that they simply
attached a USB 3.1 blue connector to and repackaged.

 

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:7pp1eetflohingbht3mq04rqkp7j351ikm@4ax.com:

The price of SSD, M.2, MVMe, etc solid state drives are rapidly
dropping. It will be a few years before SSD's drop to the price
level of rotating memory. Right now, a 2TB SATA drive costs about
$230:
https://www.newegg.com/samsung-860-qvo-series-
2tb/p/N82E1682014773
9> or 3.3 times what you paid for the rotating memory.

If laying out cash for an SSD, why buy the old SLOW technology.

No. A 2TB M.2 SSD from samsung is $549. That is for the 970
plus. Looking at old models is lame. I can buy spinning media that
almost keeps up.

Why a dopey fuck would claim to enter a technology and then run
out and buy hdw from two years prior is pretty funny.

A seagate 2TB 2.5 inch drive with an 6GB flash cache integrated
into it is less than $100.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M1NHCZT

And those motherfuckers are fast!

I will use spinning media for a long time to come.

 

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 7:20:15 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 6:43:45 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
I brought the previous version of this, just trying to figure out the scam. It did not mention 32G before. So, i was gambling $10 on 2TB.

Now, they say 2TB upgrade with 32GB memory chip. Still not accurate.

Actually, 32GB faked as 2TB.

Buyer beware.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2TB-Swivel-OTG-USB-2-0-Flash-Drive-Pen-Memory-Stick-Key-Thumb-Storage-U-Disk-RED/303147581728?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D9e47a288a92d43b1bb5a99990ef34e7c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D372465236091%26itm%3D303147581728&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851


Lol! I like that! What a cool way to try to con people.

I've seen Flash memory scams on eBay before. They are easy to spot.

If only that were true.





> If you look at all the similar devices you will find a price point most don't go below, then the ones that do go below are far below.

Even if true, that doesn't mean that some of the higher priced ones
are not what they are represented to be. And it doesn't just have to
be capacity, it can be speed too. They can be knocking off a Sandisk
high speed flash with a cheap, imitation Chinese one.



Like most vendors charging $15 for a given size device, then you see a few that are below $10 with none or few in between. Every one of the low price devices are much smaller Flash with a "fix" to make them look like the larger device they are being sold as.

It's not just size that's the issue.

There are several Flash test programs you can use to verify that the device does not have the memory claimed. At one point I was a bit ticked about this and I would buy from several of these vendors at a time, test the devices, then file a claim with eBay. None of the vendors fight it although they do sometimes play dumb and ask you to accept a partial refund since they were also victims of the "dishonest factories". lol

It is exceedingly easy to get your money back on eBay items. You just need to file within the indicted period, 2 months I believe.

It's generally true that Ebay will side with the buyer in a dispute.
But that doesn't mean you always get your money back. Many items are
sold on Ebay with no returns stated.


If the vendors want the item back they have to pay for the shipping too. They won't do that.

That's not true either. Most vendors on Ebay require you to pay the
return shipping and to send the item back. You have to read the return
policy for the specific item you are buying.

 

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:12:46 AM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 19/05/2019 2:08 pm, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in news:gkbvkrF1rplU1
@mid.individual.net:

I thought you restricted such behaviour to responses to a specific
poster. Widening your field?

Sylvia.

It was a jackass stupid post and especially for this group. Dig?
Like I need to answer to anybody in Usenet.

And who ever told you that you were qualified to make assessments
about others? Particularly of the unsolicited, unprofessional,
unqualified, unneeded variety.

My responses... to that particular poster, were to that
particular poster. My responses to this particular poster are to
this particular poster. My responses to you are to you. See how
that works?

Not really. This is Usenet. If you want a private conversation, this is
not the place for it.

You responded to a posting. I responded to a posting. I'm pretty sure
that's how it really works.

Sylvia.

I see you're getting to know DL and getting some experience as to where
the source of the problems really is.

 

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sun, 19 May 2019 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.
256GB.

Or, cram more than one chip in a package to get 2TB:
https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business/DTUGT
Only $1,300:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5223017&CatId=9618
Ouch.
--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Correct, it does not necessarily have to be a single chip, it just
has to fit inside a pen drive. Still it's way out of line with
realistic pricing and if the OP looked at the seller's feedback on
Ebay, it's 92%, which is pretty bad. Most legitimate vendors have
feedback of 99%+. This guy has 4 negatives, 39 positive in a year.
And if you read even the positive ones, the vendor is selling
counterfeit game cartridges. No feedback yet from buyers of the
flash, that's still coming.

 

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 1:18:16 AM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:40:27 AM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 9:31:00 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 19 May 2019 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.
256GB.

Or, cram more than one chip in a package to get 2TB:
https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business/DTUGT
Only $1,300:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5223017&CatId=9618
Ouch.

Perhaps they planned on scamming people for hundreds, but liquidating for dollars instead. They could just sell a few and disappear. i just find it funny how they explain the chip upgrading.

eBay doesn't give them the money until the period for returns has expired.

That is only true for new sellers on Ebay. After you have a few months of
sales, some number of completed transactions, then the money is immediately
available. This vendor has 92% feedback, so it's possible that they are
still on the restriction, but the vast majority of vendors running stores
like this get the money instantly. It doesn't matter to the buyer anyway,
the same Ebay rules and protections still apply.


> They are counting on most people to not figure out they are scammed in time.

Maybe, but you'd think there would be much better scams to run. This vendor
only has 43 feedbacks over a year. You're not going to make much money off
that. And once enough people complain of fraud, Ebay boots you and you
have to start all over. Which means getting verified for a new account
again at Ebay, which I'm sure you can figure out how to work around,
but it's not trivial, you would need a new address, they do some identity
checking to open a seller account. From what I see, this is the first
flash produce that vendor is selling. It's possible they just don't know
what they are doing too, but getting the size right isn't hard.

 

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 1:22:39 AM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 10:18:16 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:40:27 AM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 9:31:00 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 19 May 2019 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.
256GB.

Or, cram more than one chip in a package to get 2TB:
https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business/DTUGT
Only $1,300:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5223017&CatId=9618
Ouch.

Perhaps they planned on scamming people for hundreds, but liquidating for dollars instead. They could just sell a few and disappear. i just find it funny how they explain the chip upgrading.

eBay doesn't give them the money until the period for returns has expired. They are counting on most people to not figure out they are scammed in time. How many people will know to test the devices with a program that checks for real capacity? You can do your own test, but it would require writing a lot of large files to fill up the drive, then verifying that they all have the correct contents.

Not really. You just have to test a few bytes every GB.

Capacity isn't the only issue. Would you pay as much for a Sandisk flash
product as you would for a no-name one? How about it craps out after a
year with your data on it? I recently was looking for an SD card to add
memory to my cell phone. I was looking on Ebay, which I dread for a product
like that, because of exactly the problem you encountered. Ebay is loaded
with fakes, including good ones. For a real fraud, it's more profitable
to make something that actually works, probably at a lower speed, but
claim that it's made by Sandisk or other known manufacturer, when it's
not. After looking a bit on Ebay, I googled and found a 64GB Sandisk
card at Newegg for $12, including shipping. On Ebay, it was about the
same price for one that *might* be a real Sandisk.

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 8:31:38 AM UTC-4, tra...@optonline.net wrote:

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 1:18:16 AM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:40:27 AM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 9:31:00 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 19 May 2019 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.
256GB.

Or, cram more than one chip in a package to get 2TB:
https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business/DTUGT
Only $1,300:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5223017&CatId=9618
Ouch.

Perhaps they planned on scamming people for hundreds, but liquidating for dollars instead. They could just sell a few and disappear. i just find it funny how they explain the chip upgrading.

eBay doesn't give them the money until the period for returns has expired.

That is only true for new sellers on Ebay. After you have a few months of
sales, some number of completed transactions, then the money is immediately
available. This vendor has 92% feedback, so it's possible that they are
still on the restriction, but the vast majority of vendors running stores
like this get the money instantly. It doesn't matter to the buyer anyway,
the same Ebay rules and protections still apply.


They are counting on most people to not figure out they are scammed in time.

Maybe, but you'd think there would be much better scams to run. This vendor
only has 43 feedbacks over a year. You're not going to make much money off
that. And once enough people complain of fraud, Ebay boots you and you
have to start all over. Which means getting verified for a new account
again at Ebay, which I'm sure you can figure out how to work around,
but it's not trivial, you would need a new address, they do some identity
checking to open a seller account. From what I see, this is the first
flash produce that vendor is selling. It's possible they just don't know
what they are doing too, but getting the size right isn't hard.

These guys don't run for long. They aren't in this for a long haul... at least not with any one seller name. They create an account, sell a few ripoffs over a handful of months, then when their ratings get too poor to actually sell anything, or maybe eBay cuts them off, they start a new account.

I have looked and I don't even see a way to contact eBay about anything that isn't automated. So how would you report fraud? There's no listing for "return item because of fraud". If there were, I would report a Maryland wire vendor who is selling mislabeled wire. I might report him to the state anyway. I'm pretty sure the level of his fraud is actually a crime in the US.

--

Rick C.

--- Get 5,000 miles of free Supercharging
--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 8:04:45 AM UTC-4, tra...@optonline.net wrote:

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 7:20:15 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

Lol! I like that! What a cool way to try to con people.

I've seen Flash memory scams on eBay before. They are easy to spot.

If only that were true.

If you look at all the similar devices you will find a price point most don't go below, then the ones that do go below are far below.

Even if true, that doesn't mean that some of the higher priced ones
are not what they are represented to be. And it doesn't just have to
be capacity, it can be speed too. They can be knocking off a Sandisk
high speed flash with a cheap, imitation Chinese one.

I'm not offering a mathematical proof. I'm telling you the MO of most rip off artists. I test every flash device I buy and I've yet to find a rip off that charged a typical price while every one I've bought below that price was a rip off.

Like most vendors charging $15 for a given size device, then you see a few that are below $10 with none or few in between. Every one of the low price devices are much smaller Flash with a "fix" to make them look like the larger device they are being sold as.

It's not just size that's the issue.

Perhaps, but it's a lot easier to make some real bucks on ripping off the size.

There are several Flash test programs you can use to verify that the device does not have the memory claimed. At one point I was a bit ticked about this and I would buy from several of these vendors at a time, test the devices, then file a claim with eBay. None of the vendors fight it although they do sometimes play dumb and ask you to accept a partial refund since they were also victims of the "dishonest factories". lol

It is exceedingly easy to get your money back on eBay items. You just need to file within the indicted period, 2 months I believe.

It's generally true that Ebay will side with the buyer in a dispute.
But that doesn't mean you always get your money back. Many items are
sold on Ebay with no returns stated.

1) Don't buy those items.

2) It doesn't seem to matter.

Ebay has two powerful points in the buyer's advantage. The buyer has the power of ruining seller's reputations with the feedback rating and eBay treats sellers much, much better when they maintain a good seller rating. There is a lot of money at stake for the large sellers, so they won't ruin their rating for a few dollars. I've had vendors tell me to keep stuff I've paid $50 for.

That reminds me, the other warning sign on eBay is sellers with poor ratings (<99%) and sellers with low numbers of sales.

If the vendors want the item back they have to pay for the shipping too.. They won't do that.

That's not true either. Most vendors on Ebay require you to pay the
return shipping and to send the item back. You have to read the return
policy for the specific item you are buying.

More BS. Very few sellers do that and it doesn't matter. You have them by the short curlies. I've returned a lot of stuff and I've only been rejected by eBay when I miss deadlines. The terms just don't matter. The final method of getting your money back is to use the credit card. I've never had them refuse me.

Getting reimbursed for these rip off flash drives is never a problem.

--

Rick C.

++ Get 5,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Joerg]

On 2019-05-19 05:04, trader4@optonline.net wrote:

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 7:20:15 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 6:43:45 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
I brought the previous version of this, just trying to figure out the scam. It did not mention 32G before. So, i was gambling $10 on 2TB.

Now, they say 2TB upgrade with 32GB memory chip. Still not accurate.

Actually, 32GB faked as 2TB.

Buyer beware.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2TB-Swivel-OTG-USB-2-0-Flash-Drive-Pen-Memory-Stick-Key-Thumb-Storage-U-Disk-RED/303147581728?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D9e47a288a92d43b1bb5a99990ef34e7c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D372465236091%26itm%3D303147581728&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

Another thing I had happen on Ebay was where they send you totally
different low value useless merchandise and then claim "that's what you
ordered". Hence, I always keep screen shots of the ad and order as proof
and always got my money back.

[...]

There are several Flash test programs you can use to verify that the device does not have the memory claimed. At one point I was a bit ticked about this and I would buy from several of these vendors at a time, test the devices, then file a claim with eBay. None of the vendors fight it although they do sometimes play dumb and ask you to accept a partial refund since they were also victims of the "dishonest factories". lol

It is exceedingly easy to get your money back on eBay items. You just need to file within the indicted period, 2 months I believe.

It's generally true that Ebay will side with the buyer in a dispute.
But that doesn't mean you always get your money back. Many items are
sold on Ebay with no returns stated.


If the vendors want the item back they have to pay for the shipping too. They won't do that.

That's not true either. Most vendors on Ebay require you to pay the
return shipping and to send the item back. You have to read the return
policy for the specific item you are buying.

Not in case of obvious fraud. Ebay is pretty good then. In one case they
even suspended the account of a seller afterwards.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 19 May 2019 14:12:39 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

On 19/05/2019 2:08 pm, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in news:gkbvkrF1rplU1
@mid.individual.net:

I thought you restricted such behaviour to responses to a specific
poster. Widening your field?

Sylvia.

It was a jackass stupid post and especially for this group. Dig?
Like I need to answer to anybody in Usenet.

And who ever told you that you were qualified to make assessments
about others? Particularly of the unsolicited, unprofessional,
unqualified, unneeded variety.

My responses... to that particular poster, were to that
particular poster. My responses to this particular poster are to
this particular poster. My responses to you are to you. See how
that works?

Not really. This is Usenet. If you want a private conversation, this is
not the place for it.

You responded to a posting. I responded to a posting. I'm pretty sure
that's how it really works.

Sylvia.

Stop making sense! It upsets him.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 19 May 2019 17:51:02 +1000, Clifford Heath
<no.spam@please.net> wrote:

On 19/5/19 4:20 pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 19 May 2019 06:00:07 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote:

I have been using Samsung MVMe (pronounced "envy me") 960 Pro for my
primary (256 GB) and secondary (512 GB, 5.2 TB written) drives, for
years. Copying 1 GB files takes about one second. Makes moving movie
files effortless.

I'm jealous. As I write, I'm copying my movie and music archive from
one USB 3.0 2TB hard disk, to a similar drive. Unfortunately, I
decided to do it using a Chromebook 14 (CB3-431-C5FM), which
conveniently had two USB 3.0 ports. I'm getting only about 1
GB/minute.

They're probably on the same USB root hub. That doesn't work well.
I get faster writes to my NAS over Gb Ethernet, about 40MB/sec, and much
faster to/from a USB3 SSD.

Thanks. I've seen that and it might have been a likely culprit. This
time, the problem was me. I assumed that all my working USB HD drives
were USB 3.0 as indicated by the blue plastic insert in the USB
connector. That was true for all my working target drives, but I
didn't bother to check my archive source drives, which are older and
generally USB 2.0 drives. This was my source drive:
<https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-GoFlex-External-STAC2000101/dp/B004S6YH5G>
The current models are all USB 3.0 or ethernet. When the 2TB copy job
finished (after 30 hrs), I was able to inspect the source drives to
determine the problem. Sorry for the confusion.

Now to reorganize the tangle of directories, fix some bad transcoding,
purge duplicates, clean up the titles, create thumbnails, add some
cover art, rebuild the Plex library index, etc.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Robert Roland]

On Sun, 19 May 2019 05:04:40 -0700 (PDT), trader4@optonline.net wrote:

You have to read the return
policy for the specific item you are buying.

Return policy only applies when the buyer wants to return an item that
there is nothing wrong with. Say, if you change your mind.

If the item is not as described, the seller cannot run away from his
responsibilities. Selling fake thumb drives is fraud.

What will generally happen, though, is that the seller will continue
to sell the fake items. Even after I filled out a "report fake item"
form, the seller was allowed to continue selling the fake items.
--
RoRo

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 19 May 2019 05:39:13 -0700 (PDT), trader4@optonline.net wrote:

>Capacity isn't the only issue.

There's another important feature that is worth looking for. Does it
have wear leveling. All SSD drives have some manner of wear leveling,
probably static. If they didn't, the drives wouldn't last through the
warranty period. If a USB flash drive had wear leveling, it would
likely be the cheaper dynamic flavor:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_leveling>

While flash drives and SD cards are normally not as heavily as SSD
drives, bad cells or blocks are still a potential problem. I ran into
that after killing four cheap (probably counterfeit) 8GB SD cards,
which apparently didn't have wear leveling, in a Raspberry Pi. I've
also killed a few commodity USB flash drives that I used as an NAS in
a wireless routers.

The problem is finding a USB flash drive that really does wear
leveling:
<https://www.delkin.com/blog/wear-leveling-usb-flash-drive-basics/>
<https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/any-fit-size-usb-flash-drives-with-static-wear-leveling.2524358/>
More:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=usb+flash+drive+wear+leveling>

For the cheap eBay USB flash drives, one would need to know the
controller chip used and find a data sheet. Then determine if the
feature is actually enabled. I have not found a diagnostic or test
program that will determine if a flash drive has wear leveling, or if
it does, how many spare cells or blocks were allocated. So far, the
only way to know is to buy two identical USB flash drives, exercise
one drive to death to make sure it will survive, and then use the
other drive.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558