2TB upgraded to 32G

I brought the previous version of this, just trying to figure out the scam. It did not mention 32G before. So, i was gambling $10 on 2TB.

Now, they say 2TB upgrade with 32GB memory chip. Still not accurate.

Actually, 32GB faked as 2TB.

Buyer beware.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2TB-Swivel-OTG-USB-2-0-Flash-Drive-Pen-Memory-Stick-Key-Thumb-Storage-U-Disk-RED/303147581728?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D9e47a288a92d43b1bb5a99990ef34e7c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D372465236091%26itm%3D303147581728&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 6:43:45 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

I brought the previous version of this, just trying to figure out the scam. It did not mention 32G before. So, i was gambling $10 on 2TB.

Now, they say 2TB upgrade with 32GB memory chip. Still not accurate.

Actually, 32GB faked as 2TB.

Buyer beware.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2TB-Swivel-OTG-USB-2-0-Flash-Drive-Pen-Memory-Stick-Key-Thumb-Storage-U-Disk-RED/303147581728?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D9e47a288a92d43b1bb5a99990ef34e7c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D372465236091%26itm%3D303147581728&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

Lol! I like that! What a cool way to try to con people.

I've seen Flash memory scams on eBay before. They are easy to spot. If you look at all the similar devices you will find a price point most don't go below, then the ones that do go below are far below. Like most vendors charging $15 for a given size device, then you see a few that are below $10 with none or few in between. Every one of the low price devices are much smaller Flash with a "fix" to make them look like the larger device they are being sold as.

There are several Flash test programs you can use to verify that the device does not have the memory claimed. At one point I was a bit ticked about this and I would buy from several of these vendors at a time, test the devices, then file a claim with eBay. None of the vendors fight it although they do sometimes play dumb and ask you to accept a partial refund since they were also victims of the "dishonest factories". lol

It is exceedingly easy to get your money back on eBay items. You just need to file within the indicted period, 2 months I believe. If the vendors want the item back they have to pay for the shipping too. They won't do that..

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[Winfield Hill]

edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote...

I brought the previous version of this, just trying to
figure out the scam.... Actually, 32GB faked as 2TB.

Maybe you ordered the wrong color.


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edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote in
news:4a09a4af-38cf-4f94-90f4-dd31ca26f3c7@googlegroups.com:

I brought the previous version of this, just trying to figure out
the scam. It did not mention 32G before. So, i was gambling $10
on 2TB.

Now, they say 2TB upgrade with 32GB memory chip. Still not
accurate.

Actually, 32GB faked as 2TB.

Buyer beware.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2TB-Swivel-OTG-USB-2-0-Flash-Drive-Pen-
Mem
ory-Stick-Key-Thumb-Storage-U-Disk-RED/303147581728?_trkparms=aid%
3
D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%
3D9e
47a288a92d43b1bb5a99990ef34e7c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%
2
6sd%3D372465236091%26itm%3D303147581728
&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1
851

CAN YOU REALLY BE THAT STUPID?

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.

256GB.

So ity is not buyer beware, idiot. It is get off the purchase
sites if you are too stupid to spend money wisely.

And buddy, you thinking that some lame ass made 2TB chips before
sandisk or samsung came out with them? Yeah, that pretty
succinctly puts you in the "should not be allowed to spend any
money" without multiple supervisors category.

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 8:47:20 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 5:21:48 PM UTC-7, Winfield Hill wrote:
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote...

I brought the previous version of this, just trying to
figure out the scam.... Actually, 32GB faked as 2TB.

Maybe you ordered the wrong color.

Just too fake to be true. And they give you all the hints. Actually, 0-32GB read/write and 32G-2TB write only drive.

Writing to anything beyond the actual 32 GB will have undefined effects, usually clobbering something in the first 32 GB. These drives are trash at that point unless you can reformat them back to 32 GB which may require special hardware, but for sure special software.

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On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 5:21:48 PM UTC-7, Winfield Hill wrote:

edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote...

I brought the previous version of this, just trying to
figure out the scam.... Actually, 32GB faked as 2TB.

Maybe you ordered the wrong color.

Just too fake to be true. And they give you all the hints. Actually, 0-32GB read/write and 32G-2TB write only drive.

 

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 6:35:00 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote in
news:4a09a4af-38cf-4f94-90f4-dd31ca26f3c7@googlegroups.com:

I brought the previous version of this, just trying to figure out
the scam. It did not mention 32G before. So, i was gambling $10
on 2TB.

Now, they say 2TB upgrade with 32GB memory chip. Still not
accurate.

Actually, 32GB faked as 2TB.

Buyer beware.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2TB-Swivel-OTG-USB-2-0-Flash-Drive-Pen-
Mem
ory-Stick-Key-Thumb-Storage-U-Disk-RED/303147581728?_trkparms=aid%
3
D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%
3D9e
47a288a92d43b1bb5a99990ef34e7c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%
2
6sd%3D372465236091%26itm%3D303147581728
&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1
851


CAN YOU REALLY BE THAT STUPID?

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.

256GB.

So ity is not buyer beware, idiot. It is get off the purchase
sites if you are too stupid to spend money wisely.

And buddy, you thinking that some lame ass made 2TB chips before
sandisk or samsung came out with them? Yeah, that pretty
succinctly puts you in the "should not be allowed to spend any
money" without multiple supervisors category.

I knew it would be 32G to 64G. And I knew i can "bargain after the sale" on ebay. It's just a new "bargaining model". The seller agrees to 50% refund.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 19/05/2019 11:34 am, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote in
news:4a09a4af-38cf-4f94-90f4-dd31ca26f3c7@googlegroups.com:

I brought the previous version of this, just trying to figure out
the scam. It did not mention 32G before. So, i was gambling $10
on 2TB.

Now, they say 2TB upgrade with 32GB memory chip. Still not
accurate.

Actually, 32GB faked as 2TB.

Buyer beware.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2TB-Swivel-OTG-USB-2-0-Flash-Drive-Pen-
Mem
ory-Stick-Key-Thumb-Storage-U-Disk-RED/303147581728?_trkparms=aid%
3
D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%
3D9e
47a288a92d43b1bb5a99990ef34e7c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%
2
6sd%3D372465236091%26itm%3D303147581728
&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1
851


CAN YOU REALLY BE THAT STUPID?

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.

I thought you restricted such behaviour to responses to a specific
poster. Widening your field?

Sylvia.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 19 May 2019 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.
256GB.

Or, cram more than one chip in a package to get 2TB:
<https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business/DTUGT>
Only $1,300:
<http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5223017&CatId=9618>
Ouch.
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[Sylvia Else]

On 19/05/2019 2:08 pm, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in news:gkbvkrF1rplU1
@mid.individual.net:

I thought you restricted such behaviour to responses to a specific
poster. Widening your field?

Sylvia.

It was a jackass stupid post and especially for this group. Dig?
Like I need to answer to anybody in Usenet.

And who ever told you that you were qualified to make assessments
about others? Particularly of the unsolicited, unprofessional,
unqualified, unneeded variety.

My responses... to that particular poster, were to that
particular poster. My responses to this particular poster are to
this particular poster. My responses to you are to you. See how
that works?

Not really. This is Usenet. If you want a private conversation, this is
not the place for it.

You responded to a posting. I responded to a posting. I'm pretty sure
that's how it really works.

Sylvia.

 

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in news:gkbvkrF1rplU1
@mid.individual.net:

I thought you restricted such behaviour to responses to a specific
poster. Widening your field?

Sylvia.

It was a jackass stupid post and especially for this group. Dig?
Like I need to answer to anybody in Usenet.

And who ever told you that you were qualified to make assessments
about others? Particularly of the unsolicited, unprofessional,
unqualified, unneeded variety.

My responses... to that particular poster, were to that
particular poster. My responses to this particular poster are to
this particular poster. My responses to you are to you. See how
that works?

You need to widen your skull cavity because the bone thickness has
crowded out the space where functioning neurons would normally be.

Maybe you could restrict such behavior.

Or whatever behooves you.

 

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 9:31:00 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sun, 19 May 2019 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.
256GB.

Or, cram more than one chip in a package to get 2TB:
https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business/DTUGT
Only $1,300:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5223017&CatId=9618
Ouch.

Perhaps they planned on scamming people for hundreds, but liquidating for dollars instead. They could just sell a few and disappear. i just find it funny how they explain the chip upgrading.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 18 May 2019 22:15:27 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 19 May 2019 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.
256GB.

Or, cram more than one chip in a package to get 2TB:
https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business/DTUGT
Only $1,300:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5223017&CatId=9618
Ouch.

I guess there is a price premium for size. I just ordered a 2 TB flash drive
(as in a 2.5 inch hard drive replacement) for my laptop for less than $70.
While there might not be 1 TB on a chip, a flash drive doesn't have to use
only one chip. I would not be surprised to find 2 TB flash drives to be
available. Just not at a low price.

The price of SSD, M.2, MVMe, etc solid state drives are rapidly
dropping. It will be a few years before SSD's drop to the price level
of rotating memory. Right now, a 2TB SATA drive costs about $230:
<https://www.newegg.com/samsung-860-qvo-series-2tb/p/N82E16820147739>
or 3.3 times what you paid for the rotating memory.

Price drop for a Samsung EVO 860 250GB seems to have dropped by 40% in
10 months, but then leveled off:
<https://camelcamelcamel.com/Samsung-250GB-Internal-MZ-76E250B-AM/product/B07864WMK8>
About the same 40% drop for 1TB:
<https://camelcamelcamel.com/Samsung-Inch-SATA-Internal-MZ-76E1T0B/product/B078DPCY3T>
Kinda looks like the release of some new technology and new products
will be needed before the price can drop much more.

Incidentally, if you need a USB 3.1 interface, there are cheap USB to
SATA adapters:
<https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16812400693>
I use something similar except it's only 250GB and slower USB 3.0.

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On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 10:18:16 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:40:27 AM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 9:31:00 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 19 May 2019 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.
256GB.

Or, cram more than one chip in a package to get 2TB:
https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business/DTUGT
Only $1,300:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5223017&CatId=9618
Ouch.

Perhaps they planned on scamming people for hundreds, but liquidating for dollars instead. They could just sell a few and disappear. i just find it funny how they explain the chip upgrading.

eBay doesn't give them the money until the period for returns has expired.. They are counting on most people to not figure out they are scammed in time. How many people will know to test the devices with a program that checks for real capacity? You can do your own test, but it would require writing a lot of large files to fill up the drive, then verifying that they all have the correct contents.

Not really. You just have to test a few bytes every GB.

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:40:27 AM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 9:31:00 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 19 May 2019 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.
256GB.

Or, cram more than one chip in a package to get 2TB:
https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business/DTUGT
Only $1,300:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5223017&CatId=9618
Ouch.

Perhaps they planned on scamming people for hundreds, but liquidating for dollars instead. They could just sell a few and disappear. i just find it funny how they explain the chip upgrading.

eBay doesn't give them the money until the period for returns has expired. They are counting on most people to not figure out they are scammed in time. How many people will know to test the devices with a program that checks for real capacity? You can do your own test, but it would require writing a lot of large files to fill up the drive, then verifying that they all have the correct contents.

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[Rick C]

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sun, 19 May 2019 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.
256GB.

Or, cram more than one chip in a package to get 2TB:
https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business/DTUGT
Only $1,300:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5223017&CatId=9618
Ouch.

I guess there is a price premium for size. I just ordered a 2 TB flash drive (as in a 2.5 inch hard drive replacement) for my laptop for less than $70. While there might not be 1 TB on a chip, a flash drive doesn't have to use only one chip. I would not be surprised to find 2 TB flash drives to be available. Just not at a low price.

--

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- Get 5,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Rick C]

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 1:22:39 AM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 10:18:16 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:40:27 AM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 9:31:00 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 19 May 2019 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

NO, IDIOT there are NO terabyte chips yet.
256GB.

Or, cram more than one chip in a package to get 2TB:
https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business/DTUGT
Only $1,300:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5223017&CatId=9618
Ouch.

Perhaps they planned on scamming people for hundreds, but liquidating for dollars instead. They could just sell a few and disappear. i just find it funny how they explain the chip upgrading.

eBay doesn't give them the money until the period for returns has expired. They are counting on most people to not figure out they are scammed in time. How many people will know to test the devices with a program that checks for real capacity? You can do your own test, but it would require writing a lot of large files to fill up the drive, then verifying that they all have the correct contents.

Not really. You just have to test a few bytes every GB.

If you believe that, then go for it. If the memory wraps around on the existing memory in some manner, you might not see any problem unless you check for overwriting between blocks. You also can't be sure the chips will map the blocks evenly to the existing block. These chips are not set up to offer binary powers of memory. They are sold in decimal numbers of words and with the disk formatting and error correction the mapping is not so clear.

There are reasons why the testing programs are written they way they are. Many are free, so why not use them?

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 18 May 2019 22:22:35 -0700 (PDT), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

>Not really. You just have to test a few bytes every GB.

"10 Freeware To Detect Fake USB Flash Drives, SD Cards And SSD Disk"
<https://www.geckoandfly.com/22803/detect-fake-usb-flash-drives-sd-cards-ssd-disk/>

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[John Doe]

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess there is a price premium for size. I just ordered a 2 TB
flash drive (as in a 2.5 inch hard drive replacement) for my
laptop for less than $70. While there might not be 1 TB on a chip,
a flash drive doesn't have to use only one chip. I would not be
surprised to find 2 TB flash drives to be available. Just not at
a low price.

The price of SSD, M.2, MVMe, etc solid state drives are rapidly
dropping.

I have been using Samsung MVMe (pronounced "envy me") 960 Pro for my
primary (256 GB) and secondary (512 GB, 5.2 TB written) drives, for
years. Copying 1 GB files takes about one second. Makes moving movie
files effortless.

Also installed is a little used 1 TB conventional drive.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 19 May 2019 06:00:07 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
<always.look@message.header> wrote:

I have been using Samsung MVMe (pronounced "envy me") 960 Pro for my
primary (256 GB) and secondary (512 GB, 5.2 TB written) drives, for
years. Copying 1 GB files takes about one second. Makes moving movie
files effortless.

I'm jealous. As I write, I'm copying my movie and music archive from
one USB 3.0 2TB hard disk, to a similar drive. Unfortunately, I
decided to do it using a Chromebook 14 (CB3-431-C5FM), which
conveniently had two USB 3.0 ports. I'm getting only about 1
GB/minute. At that rate, the 2TB copy should take 33.3 hrs. Chrome
OS doesn't give me much in the way of performance diagnostics, so I
can't tell where the bottleneck is located. Of course, I stupidly
decided to copy the entire drive in one pass, so I can't interrupt the
copy without making a mess. Argh.

>Also installed is a little used 1 TB conventional drive.

If you're using Windoze, think of using the 1T HD for an image backup
target drive:
<https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree>
I get about 5GB/min backup speed from a SATA III SSD drive to USB 3.0
and about 8GB/min from SSD to another SATA drive in the same machine.

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