Yellow Glue strikes again

[Michael A. Terrell]

Phil Allison wrote:

"Jeffrey Angus"
Phil Allison wrote:
"spamtrap1888"

At the hourly rates Americans charge it's cheaper to replace that
stuff than to have it repaired.

** Bullshit.

Perhaps, but where's the break even point on a $19.95 DVD player
from Wal-Mart?

** The latest example seen of yellow glue damage is with a dB Tech line
array box worth $4000 to replace.

Picking examples to suit your prejudices is fuckwit logic.

Yet you continue to do it. If everything that needed repaired was
worth, there would still be plenty of repair shops in the United States.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:26:16 -0500, Jeffrey Angus <grendelair@aim.com>
wrote:

Perhaps, but where's the break even point on a $19.95 DVD player
from Wal-Mart?

That depends on the warranty period. If it's a 90 day warranty, then
the break point (or point where it breaks) is 91 days.

However, the original point is generally correct. It is often cheaper
to replace than to repair. About 20 years ago, my rule of thumb was
that customers are willing to pay 10-25% of the purchase price on
repairs before they buy a new device. With $600 computers being the
commodity price, I can charge between $60 and $150 for a repair before
they begin to complain. At $75/hr, I can't even open the box and look
inside for $60, but $150 might work for simple (software) repairs that
I don't have to warranty. If new PC's were $3,000, I could make
money, but not at commodity prices. This is not the road to riches.

Phil's $4000 whatever device is well worth repairing. However, if the
replacement costs $19.95, forget about repairing.

I recently sent a laptop to China for motherboard repair. Unlike US
repair shops, I did NOT have to remove the motherboard. Cost me $40
in shipping both ways, and $80 for parts and labor. Total time was
about a month. I charged the customer $200. This should offer a clue
where we're heading.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Phil Allison]

Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com>

However, the original point is generally correct.

** But out totally out of context and irrelevant.

Phil's $4000 whatever device is well worth repairing.

** Many much cheaper items are also worth repairing for yellow glue damage
and so is any SMPS that cannot easily and cheaply be replaced.

Both examples I gave involved powered speakers which are almost invariably
part of a pair - lose one a couple of years after purchase and you need to
replace both cos of model change overs.


...... Phil

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:51:03 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
<spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote:

A parallel example: A foreclosed-upon neighbor left a small amount of
debris not worth taking. One item was a small wheelbarrow. It looked
good except the tray seemed warped, and the tire needed air.

Try as I might, I could get the tubeless tire to seal to the rim. I
ran across more problems, and found out the total cost to repair.

Inner tube solution for non-sealing tire: $9.99. (New wheel solution:
$25.99)

Common problem. Remove tire. Clean the hell out of the bead with
soap and water. Scrape the rust from the rim with sandpaper. Paint
primter or use "rust reformer" to cover the bare metal. Cost $0.00.

Rusted axle (Nylon bearing wheel): 10 inches of 5/8 in CRS@ $8.50/36
inches.

Use 1/2" EMT instead. Shove a wooden dowel down the center for extra
support. You'll be surprised at how strong it can be. Cost, about
$1.00.

Tray problem was caused by one handle being severely warped; the other
was fine. Replacement handle: $15.

Find a large tea kettle or pressure cooker with a steam outlet. Steam
the warped handle until the wood is soft. Bend to shape. Let cool
slowly or it might crack. Total cost, $0.00.

Cost to make "free" wheelbarrow useable:
$34
Cost of identical wheelbarrow, brand-new: $36.

Cost to do it my way: about $1.00.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[spamtrap1888]

On Sep 10, 3:44 pm, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:

Phil's $4000 whatever device is well worth repairing.  However, if the
replacement costs $19.95, forget about repairing.

I recently sent a laptop to China for motherboard repair.  Unlike US
repair shops, I did NOT have to remove the motherboard.  Cost me $40
in shipping both ways, and $80 for parts and labor.  Total time was
about a month.  I charged the customer $200.  This should offer a clue
where we're heading.

A parallel example: A foreclosed-upon neighbor left a small amount of
debris not worth taking. One item was a small wheelbarrow. It looked
good except the tray seemed warped, and the tire needed air.

Try as I might, I could get the tubeless tire to seal to the rim. I
ran across more problems, and found out the total cost to repair.

Inner tube solution for non-sealing tire: $9.99. (New wheel solution:
$25.99)

Rusted axle (Nylon bearing wheel): 10 inches of 5/8 in CRS@ $8.50/36
inches.

Tray problem was caused by one handle being severely warped; the other
was fine. Replacement handle: $15.

Cost to make "free" wheelbarrow useable:
$34
Cost of identical wheelbarrow, brand-new: $36.