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I wonder what would happen if I removed the iCloud account from an iOS
device.
On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 17:49:59 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
As you walk away from the wireless router,
instead of a general slowdown, you'll see an abrupt drop in speed,
possibly followed by a disconnect.
Eureka! That's the test I need to run!
The typical 2.4GHz 802.11g system
will go about 10 meters before the speed drops abruptly. Measure and
record this distance along with the test conditions (devices,
frequency, protocol, fixed speed, etc).
That's a PERFECT test!
My hypothesis is that the iOS devices will drop in half the distance that
the Android devices will drop - but that remains to be seen in the test.
and for that subsidy, google gets to track and data mine you, even
though you think you're avoiding it. you're not.
and for that subsidy, google gets to track and data mine you, even
though you think you're avoiding it. you're not.
Also, you seem to have an
aversion to supplying numbers.
A few of these would also improve your credibility.
Without a Google ID, all it has is an advertising ID, which I switch
randomly, and which Google *says* they don't maintain the connection.
it has more than that.
I'll also assume that you're referring to the Dell XPS 27 Touch
All-In-One Desktop:
http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-27-2720-aio?stp=1
The screen is 2560 X 1440 or 1/4th that of the Apple display.
Prices vary from $1,700 to $2,700.
you assume wrong.
i specifically said the dell 5k display, which has the same 5120 x 2880
resolution and is $2k msrp:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04
&sku=up275k3
Sorry, but I thought you were comparing the price of equivalent
computers with build in displays, not comparing an Apple all in one
iMac, with a component system from Dell. Your point about pricing is
still correct, but it would be helpful if you would be more specific
about what you're comparing.
Of course, this has nothing to do with any alleged wi-fi range
differences between Apple and Android products, which was the original
topic of this discussion.
there aren't any significant differences in normal everyday use.
Prove it. I supplied two very easy methods where you can test that
assertion using commonly available software (iperf and jperf) that
will run on most any device. I can run the test for you if you can't
seem to load one program on your Mac desktop or laptop, change one
setting in your router, and load one lousy app on your tablet.
However, I don't see why I should run it for you. I suspect that you
would not accept my results and conclusions as you did in my iPhone 4
death grip test. The problem is that you don't really know for sure
what will happen. Well, neither do I. I've run the test many times,
but never side by side comparing the range for various client devices.
It's always been to optimize something in the router, usually for
highest throughput, not for maximizing range.
he's trolling.
So am I. Sometimes trolling is useful. I'm tired of unsubstantiated
assertions from all sides. Time to test the various claims.
and for that subsidy, google gets to track and data mine you, even
though you think you're avoiding it. you're not.
You don't use any Google apps on that iOS device?
and for that subsidy, google gets to track and data mine you, even
though you think you're avoiding it. you're not.
Without a Google ID, all it has is an advertising ID, which I switch
randomly, and which Google *says* they don't maintain the connection.
normal use is connecting to wifi networks (public or private) and doing
normal everyday tasks, such as surfing the net, skype, checking email,
downloading new apps, etc. it's not running benchmarks and geeking out
over numbers.
i used to use my iphone 4 in a *wide* variety of places, from at home
(fairly strong signal) to airports & hotels (often weak and overcrowded
signals) and never had any problem with wifi or cellular.
Without a Google ID, all it has is an advertising ID, which I switch
randomly, and which Google *says* they don't maintain the connection.
it has more than that.
Like what?
You will want to test different device orientations as well. Reception
might (from my experience: does) differ depending on device orientation
(e.g.: with the back facing in the AP direction, with the
top/bottom/left/right sides facing the AP).
Obviously, you will need to test several devices for each device model
(in order to rule out issues with a specific device), and different
models altogether.
Lot's of influencing factors, that you want to take into consideration.
find a cell tower with a straight desert highway stretching off from tower base.
drive away n check reception speeds n bytes captured.
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 13:03:59 +0200, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote:
You will want to test different device orientations as well. Reception
might (from my experience: does) differ depending on device orientation
(e.g.: with the back facing in the AP direction, with the
top/bottom/left/right sides facing the AP).
That's quite true. The RF pattern produced by a cell phone is
tailored primarily to meet SAR (specific absorption rate)
specifications. There's very little RF emitted in the direction of
the head, while much more out the back. Oddly, the peak for
smartphones is often straight down, where there are fewer obstructions
and the users hand is not likely to be holding the phone. Try
pointing the bottom of the phone at the nearest cell site and see if
the signal improves. It does on my Moto G phone.
Lot's of influencing factors, that you want to take into consideration.
In this case, the issue is whether there is a difference in range and
performance (speed) between Apple wi-fi devices, and Android wi-fi
devices. This can be tested with both types of devices side-by-side
and connecting to the same wireless router. I previously posted 2
good ways to perform the test, which so far nobody seems to have
performed. Also, nobody has asked me to perform any tests in order to
settle the issue, so I'm doing what I do best, which is nothing.
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 17:39:30 -0700 (PDT), avagadro7@gmail.com wrote:
find a cell tower with a straight desert highway stretching off from tower base.
drive away n check reception speeds n bytes captured.
Please re-read the original comments by Aardvarks.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!original/alt.internet.wireless/mr9elO6AFnU/TNZOls9aAwAJ
This is about wi-fi, not cellular.
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Like what?
you've been told several times before.
Without a google play account, there's nothing for Google to latch on to.
wrong
Like what?
you've been told several times before.
Heh heh.
Without a google play account, there's nothing for Google to latch on to.