Why so much spam in this group?

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Bill Bowden

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Why is there so much spam in this group? Can't Google do something
about it?

-Bill
 
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:27:47 -0700, Bill Bowden wrote:

Why is there so much spam in this group? Can't Google do something about
it?

-Bill
This is a USENET newsgroup; Google is just pretending that it's a Google
group.

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Bill Bowden wrote:

Why is there so much spam in this group? Can't Google do something
about it?
Google doesn't give a shit.

Graham
 
Bill Bowden wrote:
Why is there so much spam in this group? Can't Google do something
about it?

-Bill

They WONT do anything, because they don't give a damn.


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Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file
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http://improve-usenet.org/index.html
 
On Mar 27, 7:32 pm, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:27:47 -0700, Bill Bowden wrote:
Why is there so muchspamin this group? Can't Google do something about
it?

-Bill

This is a USENETnewsgroup; Google is just pretending that it's a Google
group.

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems and communications consultinghttp://www.wescottdesign.com

Need to learn how to apply control theory in your embedded system?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" by Tim Wescott
Elsevier/Newnes,http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
There is a link for "more options" that includes another link to
report abuse. Google says:

Google takes abuse of its services very seriously. We're committed to
dealing with such abuse according to the laws in your country of
residence. When you submit a report, we'll investigate it and take the
appropriate action. We'll get back to you only if we require
additional details or have more information to share.

Group name:
sci.electronics.basics

So, they have the details, the next step is action.

-Bill
 
Bill Bowden wrote:
There is a link for "more options" that includes another link to
report abuse. Google says:

Google takes abuse of its services very seriously. We're committed to
dealing with such abuse according to the laws in your country of
residence. When you submit a report, we'll investigate it and take the
appropriate action. We'll get back to you only if we require
additional details or have more information to share.

Group name:
sci.electronics.basics

So, they have the details, the next step is action.

Even if the do close a spammers account, they don't stop them from
reusing the same name with the same registration, or using a new log-in
with a different name.


--
aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists

Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file
* drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic.

http://improve-usenet.org/index.html
 
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:13uorsd6cj509c9@corp.supernews.com...
Bill Bowden wrote:

Why is there so much spam in this group? Can't Google do something
about it?

-Bill


They WONT do anything, because they don't give a damn.
What they HAVE done is list sci.electronics.basics and
sci.electronics.design as very active newsgroups, which is a big waving
flag to those who think they can sell their crap if it gets plastered all
over usenet on groups that are widely read.

I had to log on and navigate to a specific post before I could report
abuse. The link that allowed me to enter info about the abuse was:

http://groups.google.com/groups/abuse?group=sci.electronics.basics&type=message&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Fsci.electronics.basics%2Fmsg%2F43e0f6da5016a7f8&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsci.electronics.basics%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F37feafe852087246%2F43e0f6da5016a7f8%3F

Maybe if enough people click on that and flood their abuse center then some
action might be taken. That action might be to just shut down their abuse
center.

Even their usenet group
http://groups.google.com/group/google.public.support.general/topics is full
of crap. They really don't care.

Good luck,

Paul
 
Here's a direct link you can click on and send:

http://groups.google.com/groups/abuse

You just enter the group name, message ID, and some information.

Somebody should be able to make an anti-spam-bot that reads the posts,
determines that they are spam, and automagically fill in and send this form
for every bit of abuse that has been posted. Maybe that will get their
attention.

Paul
 
Bill Bowden (wrongaddress@att.net) writes:
Why is there so much spam in this group? Can't Google do something
about it?

-Bill
First, this isn't google.

It is a Usenet newsgroup, and they have been around since 1979. Google
merely added dejanews' newsgroup archive within the past 7 years or so.

Google is often the problem, allowing people to post without any
consideration and without any punishment.

Google is also the problem in another way, since if you read this newsgroup
via google, you may see a lot more spam that real newsservers will filter out.

Michael
 
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:58:06 +0000, Michael Black wrote:

Bill Bowden (wrongaddress@att.net) writes:
Why is there so much spam in this group? Can't Google do something
about it?

-Bill

First, this isn't google.

It is a Usenet newsgroup, and they have been around since 1979. Google
merely added dejanews' newsgroup archive within the past 7 years or so.

Google is often the problem, allowing people to post without any
consideration and without any punishment.

Google is also the problem in another way, since if you read this
newsgroup via google, you may see a lot more spam that real newsservers
will filter out.
A guess at answering the original question is that this newsgroup is
quite active, and spambots detect this when they search for new message
subject lines to hijack.

I'm also ticked off at people who think the Web is all that there is to
the Internet. My first connection was through a 2400bps modem, so I
spent a *lot* more time reading Usenet than I did waiting for graphics-
stuffed Web pages to load. That was bad enough, but I was still on
AOHell, back when they required you to use their crappy pre-Netscape
browser.
 
Tim Wescott wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:27:47 -0700, Bill Bowden wrote:

Why is there so much spam in this group? Can't Google do something about
it?

-Bill

This is a USENET newsgroup; Google is just pretending that it's a Google
group.
I finally found a way to deal with the crap. It's all google, so I used
Nfilter. It's explained here:

http://improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html

.... but basically it pre-screens your headers and sends what survives to
your newsreader, since most readers can't filter on the more important
header entries.

The only time I see this spam is when someone responds to it; then I see
the response, plus whatever portion of the original they kept in the
message.

I have Nfilter maintain a log of the headers it drops; it's almost 100%
googlegroups, and it's a huge log after a few days. Hundreds, if not
thousands, of entries.
 
Paul E. Schoen wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:13uorsd6cj509c9@corp.supernews.com...

Bill Bowden wrote:

Why is there so much spam in this group? Can't Google do something
about it?

-Bill


They WONT do anything, because they don't give a damn.

What they HAVE done is list sci.electronics.basics and
sci.electronics.design as very active newsgroups, which is a big waving
flag to those who think they can sell their crap if it gets plastered all
over usenet on groups that are widely read.
In my experience, reporting abuse originating from Google has had about
the same effect as throwing marshmellows at a turtle. I' can't believe
they are unaware of google's reputation as spammer friendly and yet they
do nothing.
I had to log on and navigate to a specific post before I could report
abuse. The link that allowed me to enter info about the abuse was:

http://groups.google.com/groups/abuse?group=sci.electronics.basics&type=message&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Fsci.electronics.basics%2Fmsg%2F43e0f6da5016a7f8&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsci.electronics.basics%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F37feafe852087246%2F43e0f6da5016a7f8%3F

Maybe if enough people click on that and flood their abuse center then some
action might be taken. That action might be to just shut down their abuse
center.
What makes you think there's anyone there now? It's hard to find
evidence of intelligent life at the end of the abuse report right now. I
wonder what the effect would be if they did shut down. it's possible I'm
wrong and they hava a large team ther working really hard right now and
without then the whole usenet would simply collapse with the increased
volume they now manage. OR the one guy on staff in abuse could be out
playing volleyball. I know where my money is.
Even their usenet group
http://groups.google.com/group/google.public.support.general/topics is full
of crap. They really don't care.
 
On 3ÔÂ28ČŐ, ÉĎÎç11Ęą27ˇÖ, Bill Bowden <wrongaddr...@att.net> wrote:
Why is there so much spam in this group? Can't Google do something
about it?

-Bill


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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Bill Bowden wrote:

Why is there so much spam in this group? Can't Google do something
about it?

-Bill


They WONT do anything, because they don't give a damn.
More like they CAN'T

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