Why So Much Spam Here?

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:12:20 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Someone killed Russia's top spammer a few years ago:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=russian+spammer+killed&aq=1&oq=russian+spamm&aqi=g3

One down. A few more to go, maybe.

The killing was allegedly robbery related, not a retaliation for
spamming:
http://www.moscow-life.com/news/news/7-Russian_police_say_robbers_killed_spammer_Kushnir
That was followed 2 years later by a hoax:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/138383/reported_assassination_of_russian_spammer_a_hoax.html

What bugs me is all the Asian and other spam I receive in languages I
can't read. Do these morons think people are going to learn another
language, just to read their crap?


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

 

[JeffM]

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[Spammers] also check to see how many people actually
click on the inevitable URL included in the spam message.

GregS wrote:
I have clicked on it many times, and I go directly
to the CONTACT point and send my regards.

**Read** what JeffL said.

You validate their existence with every click.
DO NOT **EVER** CLICK SPAM LINKS.

The idiots who click the links from Google Groups
are the **REAL** problem. As JeffL said,
they look at the referring URL and spam those URLs MORE.

If everybody who complains did this,
there would be no spam from those guys.

That's the most foolish thing I've heard in a long time.

If you want to complain to someone,
complain to their PROVIDERS
(for Google Groupers, that's their ISPs).

Its mostly one company in China.

It's unlikely that it's one monolythic manufacturing company.

....and how hard do you think it is
to find someone in China with a lot of time on his hands
and set him up with an Internet connection?

It's not even coming from one access provider.
The truth is that NO ONE in Red China gives a shit.
The country is populated with criminals.
Don't waste your time on those. JUST IGNORE THEM.[1]

You sometimes see results with reports to
Indian, Pakistani, and Indonesian ISPs.
Taiwanese ISPs also seem to be responsive.
..
....and your blockquoting 2-deep and in-full seems extreme.
..
..
[1] Now, if you have a BOTNET at your disposal,
*THAT* would make your effort worthwhile.
As it is, however,
your puny effort just comfirms that their methods are working.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:31:49 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What bugs me is all the Asian and other spam I receive in languages I
can't read. Do these morons think people are going to learn another
language, just to read their crap?

Well, there are about 845 million Mandarin Chinese speaking people on
the planet, compared to about 341 million English speaking people.
Hindi and Urdu total about 427 million. Arabic has 422 million. I
hate to tell you this, but English is a minority language. At current
grown rates, the official language of the planet could eventually
become Chinese:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers>
Why wait? Learn Chinese today.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

hate to tell you this, but English is a minority language. At current
grown rates, the official language of the planet could eventually
become Chinese:

There has always been a language of trade and diplomacy, recently up to
WWII, it was French. After WWII it became the US dialect of English.

That has grown into what is becoming a dialect of English used on the Internet,
which will be the common languge for probably 20 or 30 years or more.

I'm not talking about "leet" (WTF, OMG, etc), but something like "I can haz
cheezburger?"

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM

 

[GregS]

In article <e0f3ea0d-49fa-48fd-9dbb-ec187d845ffc@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, JeffM <jeffm_@email.com> wrote:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[Spammers] also check to see how many people actually
click on the inevitable URL included in the spam message.

GregS wrote:
I have clicked on it many times, and I go directly
to the CONTACT point and send my regards.

**Read** what JeffL said.
You validate their existence with every click.
DO NOT **EVER** CLICK SPAM LINKS.

There is NO click in my Usenet reader.

All you do is identify your IP.

The idiots who click the links from Google Groups
are the **REAL** problem. As JeffL said,
they look at the referring URL and spam those URLs MORE.

If everybody who complains did this,
there would be no spam from those guys.

That's the most foolish thing I've heard in a long time.
If you want to complain to someone,
complain to their PROVIDERS
(for Google Groupers, that's their ISPs).

Its mostly one company in China.

It's unlikely that it's one monolythic manufacturing company.
....and how hard do you think it is
to find someone in China with a lot of time on his hands
and set him up with an Internet connection?

If you would go to their websites, you will find exactly the same format and contact info.
ANd you GET replies, wasting THEIR time.

It's not even coming from one access provider.
The truth is that NO ONE in Red China gives a shit.
The country is populated with criminals.
Don't waste your time on those. JUST IGNORE THEM.[1]

You sometimes see results with reports to
Indian, Pakistani, and Indonesian ISPs.
Taiwanese ISPs also seem to be responsive.
..
....and your blockquoting 2-deep and in-full seems extreme.
..
..
[1] Now, if you have a BOTNET at your disposal,
*THAT* would make your effort worthwhile.
As it is, however,
your puny effort just comfirms that their methods are working.

Never complain, and go on with your life as it is.

greg

 

[GregS]

In article <hcc5i8$cbu$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote:

In article <e0f3ea0d-49fa-48fd-9dbb-ec187d845ffc@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
JeffM <jeffm_@email.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[Spammers] also check to see how many people actually
click on the inevitable URL included in the spam message.

GregS wrote:
I have clicked on it many times, and I go directly
to the CONTACT point and send my regards.

**Read** what JeffL said.
You validate their existence with every click.
DO NOT **EVER** CLICK SPAM LINKS.

I have found most of the websites are in Ca. based, and while I have tried
contacting people there, its difficult using Whois.
Most try to hide emails.

There is NO click in my Usenet reader.

All you do is identify your IP.

The idiots who click the links from Google Groups
are the **REAL** problem. As JeffL said,
they look at the referring URL and spam those URLs MORE.

If everybody who complains did this,
there would be no spam from those guys.

That's the most foolish thing I've heard in a long time.
If you want to complain to someone,
complain to their PROVIDERS
(for Google Groupers, that's their ISPs).

Its mostly one company in China.

It's unlikely that it's one monolythic manufacturing company.
....and how hard do you think it is
to find someone in China with a lot of time on his hands
and set him up with an Internet connection?

If you would go to their websites, you will find exactly the same format and
contact info.
ANd you GET replies, wasting THEIR time.


It's not even coming from one access provider.
The truth is that NO ONE in Red China gives a shit.
The country is populated with criminals.
Don't waste your time on those. JUST IGNORE THEM.[1]

You sometimes see results with reports to
Indian, Pakistani, and Indonesian ISPs.
Taiwanese ISPs also seem to be responsive.
..
....and your blockquoting 2-deep and in-full seems extreme.
..
..
[1] Now, if you have a BOTNET at your disposal,
*THAT* would make your effort worthwhile.
As it is, however,
your puny effort just comfirms that their methods are working.


Never complain, and go on with your life as it is.

greg

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:31:49 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What bugs me is all the Asian and other spam I receive in languages I
can't read. Do these morons think people are going to learn another
language, just to read their crap?

Well, there are about 845 million Mandarin Chinese speaking people on
the planet, compared to about 341 million English speaking people.
Hindi and Urdu total about 427 million. Arabic has 422 million. I
hate to tell you this, but English is a minority language. At current
grown rates, the official language of the planet could eventually
become Chinese:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
Why wait? Learn Chinese today.

Why bother. I'm old enough it doesn't matter. Today's batch was
mostly from Russia, in Cyrillic.


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:39:04 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
<gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:

There has always been a language of trade and diplomacy, recently up to
WWII, it was French. After WWII it became the US dialect of English.

One of my friends is a doctor originally from Pakistan. He learned
English so that he could emigrate to California. He recently remarked
that he would have done better to learn Spanish.

That has grown into what is becoming a dialect of English used on the Internet,
which will be the common languge for probably 20 or 30 years or more.

I'm not talking about "leet" (WTF, OMG, etc), but something like "I can haz
cheezburger?"

Nope. The language of the future will be SMS-talk and other languages
that consist mostly of abbreviations, acronyms, and pictograms.
Tomorrows principle languages will be what the kids of today are
using:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_language>
<http://www.nationaltextingregistry.us/acronym_listing/>
Hopefully, I won't be around to see it happen.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Scrim]

Wow! That's the longest thread I've ever started! Cheers!

I'm using Windows Mail to read Newsgroups. I think if I use its filter it
will filter my mail as well as newsgroups and I don't want to risk missing
any mail (I get so little spam mail I don't need it there).

So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering just
in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all round
compared to Windows Mail?

Scrim

 

[GregS]

In article <zwFGm.9075$Ah3.1565@newsfe01.ams2>, "Scrim" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote:

Wow! That's the longest thread I've ever started! Cheers!

I'm using Windows Mail to read Newsgroups. I think if I use its filter it
will filter my mail as well as newsgroups and I don't want to risk missing
any mail (I get so little spam mail I don't need it there).

So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering just
in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all round
compared to Windows Mail?

Scrim

I started to use Thunderbird, and is a very good newsreader, until
I managed to delete my mail. I went back to NX for usenet.

Having separate things for each is a good thing.

greg

 

[David Nebenzahl]

On 10/30/2009 9:38 AM Scrim spake thus:

So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering just
in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all round
compared to Windows Mail?

To answer your question, newsreader = news client = program to read
Usenet news = (usually) email program. All the same thing, comes in many
flavors. Mozilla Thunderbird is what I use and I like it, generally
(though it does suffer from some maladies which are due to "open source"
construction). It's free; why not just try it?


--
Who needs a junta or a dictatorship when you have a Congress
blowing Wall Street, using the media as a condom?

- harvested from Usenet

 

[propman]

Scrim wrote:

Wow! That's the longest thread I've ever started! Cheers!

I'm using Windows Mail to read Newsgroups. I think if I use its filter
it will filter my mail as well as newsgroups and I don't want to risk
missing any mail (I get so little spam mail I don't need it there).

So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering
just in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all
round compared to Windows Mail?

If by "like that one from Mozilla" you are refering to Thunderbird, it
is not a dedicated newsreader. Thunderbird also has provisions for
email, RSS and newsgroups accounts. See the following for further details:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

FWIW, there is also a new release coming out shortly; you can grab the
beta version of it (3.04b) from the following location:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/early_releases/downloads/

Again, FWIW, I've been using in on my linux system since it was released
and am quite please with it. One of the upgrades for this version is
improved filtering capabilities.

One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.

You might also be interested in the following site for general
information on newsreaders, selecting news servers etc:

http://slyck.com/

 

[GregS]

In article <hcfefu$gdn$1@news.eternal-september.org>, propman <propman@nowhere.ca> wrote:

Scrim wrote:
Wow! That's the longest thread I've ever started! Cheers!

I'm using Windows Mail to read Newsgroups. I think if I use its filter
it will filter my mail as well as newsgroups and I don't want to risk
missing any mail (I get so little spam mail I don't need it there).

So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering
just in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all
round compared to Windows Mail?

If by "like that one from Mozilla" you are refering to Thunderbird, it
is not a dedicated newsreader. Thunderbird also has provisions for
email, RSS and newsgroups accounts. See the following for further details:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

FWIW, there is also a new release coming out shortly; you can grab the
beta version of it (3.04b) from the following location:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/early_releases/downloads/

Again, FWIW, I've been using in on my linux system since it was released
and am quite please with it. One of the upgrades for this version is
improved filtering capabilities.

One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.

You might also be interested in the following site for general
information on newsreaders, selecting news servers etc:

http://slyck.com/

Funny it does not expplain Usenet at all and I don't use usenet to get
news.

Also funny, many of the newsreaders have turned me off, and I
continue to use an outdated News Express, even though it has
bugs with current opperating systems. It also does not archieve
past read posts, nor have spell checking, or index all the groups corectly,
but I love it.

Greg

 

[Robert Macy]

On Oct 30, 12:23 pm, propman <prop...@nowhere.ca> wrote:
...snip...

One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service.  Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.

I signed up. But, where do you find the newsgroups?

 

[propman]

Robert Macy wrote:

On Oct 30, 12:23 pm, propman <prop...@nowhere.ca> wrote:
..snip...
One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.


I signed up. But, where do you find the newsgroups?

You'll need to install newsreader software like Thunderbird for example:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/all.html

 

[propman]

GregS wrote:

In article <hcfefu$gdn$1@news.eternal-september.org>, propman <propman@nowhere.ca> wrote:
Scrim wrote:
Wow! That's the longest thread I've ever started! Cheers!

I'm using Windows Mail to read Newsgroups. I think if I use its filter
it will filter my mail as well as newsgroups and I don't want to risk
missing any mail (I get so little spam mail I don't need it there).

So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering
just in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all
round compared to Windows Mail?
If by "like that one from Mozilla" you are refering to Thunderbird, it
is not a dedicated newsreader. Thunderbird also has provisions for
email, RSS and newsgroups accounts. See the following for further details:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

FWIW, there is also a new release coming out shortly; you can grab the
beta version of it (3.04b) from the following location:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/early_releases/downloads/

Again, FWIW, I've been using in on my linux system since it was released
and am quite please with it. One of the upgrades for this version is
improved filtering capabilities.

One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.

You might also be interested in the following site for general
information on newsreaders, selecting news servers etc:

http://slyck.com/




Funny it does not expplain Usenet at all

Guides: VIDEO Usenet Newsgroups | Usenet Newsgroups |

and I don't use usenet to get
news.

AFAIK, if you are receiving this newsgroup (which is part of usenet),
then you are using Usenet.

Might want to take a read of the following:

http://slyck.com/story1870_Usenet_or_the_Newsgroups

Also funny, many of the newsreaders have turned me off, and I
continue to use an outdated News Express, even though it has
bugs with current opperating systems. It also does not archieve
past read posts, nor have spell checking, or index all the groups corectly,
but I love it.

Heh! I hear ya.....just like old timers and Xnews....when they die they
are gonna have to pry it out their hands (figuratively speaking). ;-)

 

[David Nebenzahl]

On 10/30/2009 11:50 AM Robert Macy spake thus:

On Oct 30, 12:23 pm, propman <prop...@nowhere.ca> wrote:
..snip...

One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.

I signed up. But, where do you find the newsgroups?

You gots to query the news server, which will then serve up a delicious
list of all its newsgroups. How to do that depends on what news client
you use: for Thunderbird, the command is "Manage newsgroup
subscriptions". Other programs may use some variation of "subscribe"
(which is a funny concept; you don't actually subscribe to a newsgroup,
but just add it to your list of newsgroups to choose from).


--
Who needs a junta or a dictatorship when you have a Congress
blowing Wall Street, using the media as a condom?

- harvested from Usenet