Why is the NYC metro area CV infection TEN TIMES worse?

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:24:18 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:45:03 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:32:56 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Once the virus spread out from a small area in Wuhan, there was no way
to stop it. If it did start in a virus lab in China, it's not racist
to say so.

Yet, in Wuhan, it WAS stopped. We can be sure it started in a bat, all else is speculation (and unproductive, and uninteresting). The virus is
killing people, and isn't racist.

Maybe this is not unprecedented in US history, certainly not compared
to 1918 and probably not comparable to several other cold/flu seasons..
What's unprecedented is the reaction and the lockdowns.

There were lockdowns in the 1918-1920 epidemic, perhaps not by that
name. No 'other cold/flu season' was comparable in severity, except perhaps that 1918-1920 pandemic. Three years isn't a "season".

Wuhan IS a precedent for any lockdown this month. "Unprecedented" is an easily overused concept, and less important than preparedness to deal with a health emergency.

The virus, by most accounts, came from a specific kind of bat. This bat was not sold in the Wuhan wet markets, but WAS used in research at the Wuhan Virus Lab. Even the sub-rate intelligence of Sloman should be able to figure out where COVID-19 originated.

The ancestor of the Covid-19 virus may still prefer to infect a specific kind of bat. It can't infect human beings.

Covid-19 has mutated away from this ancestral strain - it only shares 96.2% of the ancestral genome.

Precisely what other species of bats it's more immediate ancestors might have infected isn't clear, and some people have suggested that one of those intermediate ancestors might have infected pangolins as well.

Flyguy can't do joined up logic, but he's great at complaining that other people aren't clever enough to share his fatuous delusions.

We aren't all as gullible as he is, and he resents it when this pointed out..

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:19:10 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:24:18 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:45:03 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:32:56 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Once the virus spread out from a small area in Wuhan, there was no way
to stop it. If it did start in a virus lab in China, it's not racist
to say so.

Yet, in Wuhan, it WAS stopped. We can be sure it started in a bat, all else is speculation (and unproductive, and uninteresting). The virus is
killing people, and isn't racist.

Maybe this is not unprecedented in US history, certainly not compared
to 1918 and probably not comparable to several other cold/flu seasons.
What's unprecedented is the reaction and the lockdowns.

There were lockdowns in the 1918-1920 epidemic, perhaps not by that
name. No 'other cold/flu season' was comparable in severity, except perhaps that 1918-1920 pandemic. Three years isn't a "season".

Wuhan IS a precedent for any lockdown this month. "Unprecedented" is an easily overused concept, and less important than preparedness to deal with a health emergency.

The virus, by most accounts, came from a specific kind of bat. This bat was not sold in the Wuhan wet markets, but WAS used in research at the Wuhan Virus Lab. Even the sub-rate intelligence of Sloman should be able to figure out where COVID-19 originated.

The ancestor of the Covid-19 virus may still prefer to infect a specific kind of bat. It can't infect human beings.

Covid-19 has mutated away from this ancestral strain - it only shares 96.2% of the ancestral genome.

Precisely what other species of bats it's more immediate ancestors might have infected isn't clear, and some people have suggested that one of those intermediate ancestors might have infected pangolins as well.

Flyguy can't do joined up logic, but he's great at complaining that other people aren't clever enough to share his fatuous delusions.

We aren't all as gullible as he is, and he resents it when this pointed out.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Hey Slow Man,

You ARE really SLOW, aren't you? The Wuhan lab was doing RESEARCH into coronavirus, not STOCKPILING it. They were infecting other lab animals with it and seeing what they got in the way of mutations. Well, they came up with a particularly NASTY version of this virus that somehow got out of the lab because of their poor practices. Not too surprising, actually.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:39:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:19:10 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:24:18 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:45:03 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:32:56 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Once the virus spread out from a small area in Wuhan, there was no way
to stop it. If it did start in a virus lab in China, it's not racist
to say so.

Yet, in Wuhan, it WAS stopped. We can be sure it started in a bat, all else is speculation (and unproductive, and uninteresting). The virus is
killing people, and isn't racist.

Maybe this is not unprecedented in US history, certainly not compared
to 1918 and probably not comparable to several other cold/flu seasons.
What's unprecedented is the reaction and the lockdowns.

There were lockdowns in the 1918-1920 epidemic, perhaps not by that
name. No 'other cold/flu season' was comparable in severity, except perhaps that 1918-1920 pandemic. Three years isn't a "season".

Wuhan IS a precedent for any lockdown this month. "Unprecedented" is an easily overused concept, and less important than preparedness to deal with a health emergency.

The virus, by most accounts, came from a specific kind of bat. This bat was not sold in the Wuhan wet markets, but WAS used in research at the Wuhan Virus Lab. Even the sub-rate intelligence of Sloman should be able to figure out where COVID-19 originated.

The ancestor of the Covid-19 virus may still prefer to infect a specific kind of bat. It can't infect human beings.

Covid-19 has mutated away from this ancestral strain - it only shares 96.2% of the ancestral genome.

Precisely what other species of bats it's more immediate ancestors might have infected isn't clear, and some people have suggested that one of those intermediate ancestors might have infected pangolins as well.

Flyguy can't do joined up logic, but he's great at complaining that other people aren't clever enough to share his fatuous delusions.

We aren't all as gullible as he is, and he resents it when this pointed out.

Hey Sloman,

You ARE really SLOW, aren't you? The Wuhan lab was doing RESEARCH into coronavirus, not STOCKPILING it.

What makes you think that - apart from a congenital weakness for fatuous conspiracy theories?

> They were infecting other lab animals with it and seeing what they got in the way of mutations.

You don't get mutations from infecting other lab animals. If a bat corona virus has mutated enough that it can infect other animals, you may be able to find such a virus in other animals, but your sentence - as written - is pig-ignorant nonsense.

> Well, they came up with a particularly NASTY version of this virus that somehow got out of the lab because of their poor practices. Not too surprising, actually.

In your conspiracy theory world they might have genetically engineered - also known as intelligently designed - a new virus, but the Covid-19 sequence doesn't show any sign of such a manipulation.

You are merely a raving lunatic. Save your idiocies for a more receptive - and much more gullible - audience.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ricky C]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:18:52 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:39:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

You ARE really SLOW, aren't you? The Wuhan lab was doing RESEARCH into coronavirus, not STOCKPILING it.

What makes you think that - apart from a congenital weakness for fatuous conspiracy theories?

There are numerous reports that they were cooperating with US researchers on the SARS coronavirus in bats. That was discussed in a thread here somewhere. The Chinese asked for more assistance and we had embassy scientists inspect their facility. They recommended we give them the assistance and we declined to act.

Whether or not this lab was the source of the pandemic is not yet known, but it's not looking so improbable.

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Rick C.

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[Winfield Hill]

Flyguy wrote...

On Tuesday, DecadentLinux... wrote:
Flyguy <wrote

Why is the NYC metro area TEN TIMES worse than the next highest
metro area for CV infections? The answer is pretty simple: it was
hubris of mayor de Blasio who declared "New York City=E2=80=99s
Chinatowns are open for business!"

You are an idiot. The virus outbreak in New York City
came over from Europe.

Translation: "You are a well-informed individual and
I am the stupid, fucking idiot.

Here's how they know exactly where infections came from,
through detailed sequencing. This genomic epidemiology
map shows the relationship of 3944 Covid-19 genomes,
sampled from Dec 2019 and Apr 2020. Of course they also
have detailed records of where each sample came from.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global


--
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- Win

 

[Ricky C]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 1:25:14 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:

Flyguy wrote...

On Tuesday, DecadentLinux... wrote:
Flyguy <wrote

Why is the NYC metro area TEN TIMES worse than the next highest
metro area for CV infections? The answer is pretty simple: it was
hubris of mayor de Blasio who declared "New York City=E2=80=99s
Chinatowns are open for business!"

You are an idiot. The virus outbreak in New York City
came over from Europe.

Translation: "You are a well-informed individual and
I am the stupid, fucking idiot.

Here's how they know exactly where infections came from,
through detailed sequencing. This genomic epidemiology
map shows the relationship of 3944 Covid-19 genomes,
sampled from Dec 2019 and Apr 2020. Of course they also
have detailed records of where each sample came from.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

It's not really all that clear. Seems they are tracking something other than just nucleic sequences. They list changes in the amino acid coat which should be reflected in the genome. Some don't list any changes, but have a diversity number. If nothing changed in the nucleotides or the AAs, what does "diversity" mean?

The map can be time animated, but there's no date display.

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[Ricky C]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:11:14 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:

Ricky C wrote...
Winfield Hill wrote:

Here's how they know exactly where infections came from,
through detailed sequencing. This genomic epidemiology
map shows the relationship of 3944 Covid-19 genomes,
sampled from Dec 2019 and Apr 2020. Of course they also
have detailed records of where each sample came from.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

It's not really all that clear. Seems they are tracking something
other than just nucleic sequences. They list changes in the amino
acid coat which should be reflected in the genome. Some don't
list any changes, but have a diversity number. If nothing changed
in the nucleotides or the AAs, what does "diversity" mean?

The map can be time animated, but there's no date display.

You may not be able to learn exactly what you want from
their presentation of all that data, but it's clear how
they have enough info to determine where a particular
strain comes from. They're not guessing.

I was looking for the pangolins in the data. I didn't find it. I think there is still some guess work.

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[Winfield Hill]

Ricky C wrote...

Winfield Hill wrote:

Here's how they know exactly where infections came from,
through detailed sequencing. This genomic epidemiology
map shows the relationship of 3944 Covid-19 genomes,
sampled from Dec 2019 and Apr 2020. Of course they also
have detailed records of where each sample came from.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

It's not really all that clear. Seems they are tracking something
other than just nucleic sequences. They list changes in the amino
acid coat which should be reflected in the genome. Some don't
list any changes, but have a diversity number. If nothing changed
in the nucleotides or the AAs, what does "diversity" mean?

The map can be time animated, but there's no date display.

You may not be able to learn exactly what you want from
their presentation of all that data, but it's clear how
they have enough info to determine where a particular
strain comes from. They're not guessing.


--
Thanks,
- Win

 

[Winfield Hill]

Ricky C wrote...

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:11:14 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Ricky C wrote...
Winfield Hill wrote:

Here's how they know exactly where infections came from,
through detailed sequencing. This genomic epidemiology
map shows the relationship of 3944 Covid-19 genomes,
sampled from Dec 2019 and Apr 2020. Of course they also
have detailed records of where each sample came from.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

It's not really all that clear. Seems they are tracking something
other than just nucleic sequences. They list changes in the amino
acid coat which should be reflected in the genome. Some don't
list any changes, but have a diversity number. If nothing changed
in the nucleotides or the AAs, what does "diversity" mean?

The map can be time animated, but there's no date display.

You may not be able to learn exactly what you want from
their presentation of all that data, but it's clear how
they have enough info to determine where a particular
strain comes from. They're not guessing.

I was looking for the pangolins in the data. I didn't
find it. I think there is still some guess work.

The first sequences were taken in early January, using some
of 200 Oxford Nanopore machines sent to China. I imagine
that any tests of Pangolins, etc., made now, would be of a
mutated version. But one should still be able to trace the
lineage. Lots of subsequent research has been done in China,
but they're requiring all papers to go through a govt review
(and edit), before any submittal for publishing. So unless
some info leaks out, we may never know for sure. Embedded
US experts had already been removed by Trump, so any chance
we might have had using that mechanism was obliterated.


--
Thanks,
- Win

 

[Dave Platt]

In article <d09690bc-3c4b-434f-9576-a0dde90e8478@googlegroups.com>,
Ricky C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

You may not be able to learn exactly what you want from
their presentation of all that data, but it's clear how
they have enough info to determine where a particular
strain comes from. They're not guessing.

I was looking for the pangolins in the data. I didn't find it. I think there is still some guess work.

Scroll down a bit and click on the link which refers to phylogenetic
data. It will bring you to

https://nextstrain.org/groups/blab/sars-like-cov

which shows the relationships to known (related) strains in both bats and pangolins.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:20:55 AM UTC+10, Ricky C wrote:

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:18:52 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:39:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

You ARE really SLOW, aren't you? The Wuhan lab was doing RESEARCH into coronavirus, not STOCKPILING it.

What makes you think that - apart from a congenital weakness for fatuous conspiracy theories?

There are numerous reports that they were cooperating with US researchers on the SARS coronavirus in bats. That was discussed in a thread here somewhere. The Chinese asked for more assistance and we had embassy scientists inspect their facility. They recommended we give them the assistance and we declined to act.

Whether or not this lab was the source of the pandemic is not yet known, but it's not looking so improbable.

Only to a rabid conspiracy theory nut.

If there's one thing that research institutions do well, it is stopping the different viruses they are studying from leaking from one lab to next one.

If they can't manage that they won't be doing research that will be taken seriously. Imagining that a virus could leak out into the outside world takes a Flyguy level of mental incompetence.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 7:37:34 AM UTC+10, Ricky C wrote:

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:11:14 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Ricky C wrote...
Winfield Hill wrote:

Here's how they know exactly where infections came from,
through detailed sequencing. This genomic epidemiology
map shows the relationship of 3944 Covid-19 genomes,
sampled from Dec 2019 and Apr 2020. Of course they also
have detailed records of where each sample came from.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

It's not really all that clear. Seems they are tracking something
other than just nucleic sequences. They list changes in the amino
acid coat which should be reflected in the genome. Some don't
list any changes, but have a diversity number. If nothing changed
in the nucleotides or the AAs, what does "diversity" mean?

The map can be time animated, but there's no date display.

You may not be able to learn exactly what you want from
their presentation of all that data, but it's clear how
they have enough info to determine where a particular
strain comes from. They're not guessing.

I was looking for the pangolins in the data. I didn't find it. I think there is still some guess work.

It's all about the Covid-19 variants detected in humans. The first dated strain is from the 4th December 2019 - who is patient zero.

They may not have been the first human infected, but they've got to be pretty close to it.

It has been hypothesised - not all that convincingly - that one of the immediate ancestors might have been able to infect pangolins.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:18:52 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:39:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:19:10 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:24:18 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:45:03 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:32:56 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Once the virus spread out from a small area in Wuhan, there was no way
to stop it. If it did start in a virus lab in China, it's not racist
to say so.

Yet, in Wuhan, it WAS stopped. We can be sure it started in a bat, all else is speculation (and unproductive, and uninteresting). The virus is
killing people, and isn't racist.

Maybe this is not unprecedented in US history, certainly not compared
to 1918 and probably not comparable to several other cold/flu seasons.
What's unprecedented is the reaction and the lockdowns.

There were lockdowns in the 1918-1920 epidemic, perhaps not by that
name. No 'other cold/flu season' was comparable in severity, except perhaps that 1918-1920 pandemic. Three years isn't a "season".

Wuhan IS a precedent for any lockdown this month. "Unprecedented" is an easily overused concept, and less important than preparedness to deal with a health emergency.

The virus, by most accounts, came from a specific kind of bat. This bat was not sold in the Wuhan wet markets, but WAS used in research at the Wuhan Virus Lab. Even the sub-rate intelligence of Sloman should be able to figure out where COVID-19 originated.

The ancestor of the Covid-19 virus may still prefer to infect a specific kind of bat. It can't infect human beings.

Covid-19 has mutated away from this ancestral strain - it only shares 96.2% of the ancestral genome.

Precisely what other species of bats it's more immediate ancestors might have infected isn't clear, and some people have suggested that one of those intermediate ancestors might have infected pangolins as well.

Flyguy can't do joined up logic, but he's great at complaining that other people aren't clever enough to share his fatuous delusions.

We aren't all as gullible as he is, and he resents it when this pointed out.

Hey Sloman,

You ARE really SLOW, aren't you? The Wuhan lab was doing RESEARCH into coronavirus, not STOCKPILING it.

What makes you think that - apart from a congenital weakness for fatuous conspiracy theories?

They were infecting other lab animals with it and seeing what they got in the way of mutations.

You don't get mutations from infecting other lab animals. If a bat corona virus has mutated enough that it can infect other animals, you may be able to find such a virus in other animals, but your sentence - as written - is pig-ignorant nonsense.

Well, they came up with a particularly NASTY version of this virus that somehow got out of the lab because of their poor practices. Not too surprising, actually.

In your conspiracy theory world they might have genetically engineered - also known as intelligently designed - a new virus, but the Covid-19 sequence doesn't show any sign of such a manipulation.

You are merely a raving lunatic. Save your idiocies for a more receptive - and much more gullible - audience.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

LOL! Hey Slow Man, now you are EDITING my comments!! I NEVER wrote "Hey Sloman" - I wrote "Hey Slow Man"

You are a degenerate twit with no capabilities of rational thought. The truth behind the COVID outbreak from the Wuhan lab is obvious to everybody BUT YOU!!! Did I say COVID was "genetically engineered?" The answer, even to a brain-dead corpse such as yourself, is a RESOUNDING NO!!! What we DO know is that the bats from which COVID came from WERE in the Wuhan lab and WERE NOT in the Wuhan wet market.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 12:42:32 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:18:52 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:39:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:19:10 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:24:18 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:45:03 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:32:56 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Once the virus spread out from a small area in Wuhan, there was no way
to stop it. If it did start in a virus lab in China, it's not racist
to say so.

Yet, in Wuhan, it WAS stopped. We can be sure it started in a bat, all else is speculation (and unproductive, and uninteresting). The virus is
killing people, and isn't racist.

Maybe this is not unprecedented in US history, certainly not compared
to 1918 and probably not comparable to several other cold/flu seasons.
What's unprecedented is the reaction and the lockdowns.

There were lockdowns in the 1918-1920 epidemic, perhaps not by that
name. No 'other cold/flu season' was comparable in severity, except perhaps that 1918-1920 pandemic. Three years isn't a "season".

Wuhan IS a precedent for any lockdown this month. "Unprecedented" is an easily overused concept, and less important than preparedness to deal with a health emergency.

The virus, by most accounts, came from a specific kind of bat. This bat was not sold in the Wuhan wet markets, but WAS used in research at the Wuhan Virus Lab. Even the sub-rate intelligence of Sloman should be able to figure out where COVID-19 originated.

The ancestor of the Covid-19 virus may still prefer to infect a specific kind of bat. It can't infect human beings.

Covid-19 has mutated away from this ancestral strain - it only shares 96.2% of the ancestral genome.

Precisely what other species of bats it's more immediate ancestors might have infected isn't clear, and some people have suggested that one of those intermediate ancestors might have infected pangolins as well.

Flyguy can't do joined up logic, but he's great at complaining that other people aren't clever enough to share his fatuous delusions.

We aren't all as gullible as he is, and he resents it when this pointed out.

Hey Sloman,

You ARE really SLOW, aren't you? The Wuhan lab was doing RESEARCH into coronavirus, not STOCKPILING it.

What makes you think that - apart from a congenital weakness for fatuous conspiracy theories?

They were infecting other lab animals with it and seeing what they got in the way of mutations.

You don't get mutations from infecting other lab animals. If a bat corona virus has mutated enough that it can infect other animals, you may be able to find such a virus in other animals, but your sentence - as written - is pig-ignorant nonsense.

Well, they came up with a particularly NASTY version of this virus that somehow got out of the lab because of their poor practices. Not too surprising, actually.

In your conspiracy theory world they might have genetically engineered - also known as intelligently designed - a new virus, but the Covid-19 sequence doesn't show any sign of such a manipulation.

You are merely a raving lunatic. Save your idiocies for a more receptive - and much more gullible - audience.

LOL! Hey Sloman, now you are EDITING my comments!! I NEVER wrote "Hey Sloman" - I wrote "Hey Sloman"

Sure you did. I'm not going to encourage your primary school attempts at humour by leaving them uncorrected.

> You are a degenerate twit with no capabilities of rational thought.

You really will have to stop recycling accurate descriptions of your own status as abuse against your betters.

It doesn't actually work, even if it may make you feel better.

> The truth behind the COVID-19 outbreak from the Wuhan lab is obvious to everybody BUT YOU!!!

Everybody else who shares your gullible enthusiasm for half-witted conspiracy theories. There may be several other equally brain-damaged loons around.

>Did I say COVID-19 was "genetically engineered?" The answer, even to a brain-dead corpse such as yourself, is a RESOUNDING NO!!!

Probably true, since you have no idea what "genetic engineering" means

> What we DO know is that the bats from which COVID came from WERE in the Wuhan lab and WERE NOT in the Wuhan wet market.

But the Covid-19 isn't the ancestral virus, and had probably gone through a bunch of intermediate genome structures, and bunch of other hosts, before it acquired the capacity to infect humans.

As usual you have come up with an irrelevant fact, and lack the wit to perceive quite how irrelevant it is.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ricky C]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 10:24:28 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:20:55 AM UTC+10, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:18:52 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:39:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

You ARE really SLOW, aren't you? The Wuhan lab was doing RESEARCH into coronavirus, not STOCKPILING it.

What makes you think that - apart from a congenital weakness for fatuous conspiracy theories?

There are numerous reports that they were cooperating with US researchers on the SARS coronavirus in bats. That was discussed in a thread here somewhere. The Chinese asked for more assistance and we had embassy scientists inspect their facility. They recommended we give them the assistance and we declined to act.

Whether or not this lab was the source of the pandemic is not yet known, but it's not looking so improbable.

Only to a rabid conspiracy theory nut.

By that you are referring to US scientists who asked to send assistance to the Chinese lab? Did you read any of the info available?


> If there's one thing that research institutions do well, it is stopping the different viruses they are studying from leaking from one lab to next one.

One would hope. But I have lived most of my life within five miles of Ft Detrick and after many, many years the military has acknowledged a number of fatal and non-fatal accidents there as well as other containment breaches as recently as last year. So clearly there is precedence at US labs, so why not Chinese? Are you saying their labs are better than ours?


> If they can't manage that they won't be doing research that will be taken seriously. Imagining that a virus could leak out into the outside world takes a Flyguy level of mental incompetence.

Does anyone take US government labs seriously?

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[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 8:14:15 PM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 10:24:28 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:20:55 AM UTC+10, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:18:52 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:39:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

You ARE really SLOW, aren't you? The Wuhan lab was doing RESEARCH into coronavirus, not STOCKPILING it.

What makes you think that - apart from a congenital weakness for fatuous conspiracy theories?

There are numerous reports that they were cooperating with US researchers on the SARS coronavirus in bats. That was discussed in a thread here somewhere. The Chinese asked for more assistance and we had embassy scientists inspect their facility. They recommended we give them the assistance and we declined to act.

Whether or not this lab was the source of the pandemic is not yet known, but it's not looking so improbable.

Only to a rabid conspiracy theory nut.

By that you are referring to US scientists who asked to send assistance to the Chinese lab? Did you read any of the info available?


If there's one thing that research institutions do well, it is stopping the different viruses they are studying from leaking from one lab to next one.

One would hope. But I have lived most of my life within five miles of Ft Detrick and after many, many years the military has acknowledged a number of fatal and non-fatal accidents there as well as other containment breaches as recently as last year. So clearly there is precedence at US labs, so why not Chinese? Are you saying their labs are better than ours?


If they can't manage that they won't be doing research that will be taken seriously. Imagining that a virus could leak out into the outside world takes a Flyguy level of mental incompetence.

Does anyone take US government labs seriously?

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Slow Man is a dyed in the wool Chicomm apologist. If Slow Man were a Chinese policeman he would have been the one who arrested Dr. Li, the CV19 whistleblower:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795
and would have offed Dr. Ai:
https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/whistleblowing-coronavirus-doctor-mysteriously-vanishes/

 

[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 8:39:33 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 12:42:32 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:18:52 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:39:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:19:10 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:24:18 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:45:03 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:32:56 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Once the virus spread out from a small area in Wuhan, there was no way
to stop it. If it did start in a virus lab in China, it's not racist
to say so.

Yet, in Wuhan, it WAS stopped. We can be sure it started in a bat, all else is speculation (and unproductive, and uninteresting). The virus is
killing people, and isn't racist.

Maybe this is not unprecedented in US history, certainly not compared
to 1918 and probably not comparable to several other cold/flu seasons.
What's unprecedented is the reaction and the lockdowns.

There were lockdowns in the 1918-1920 epidemic, perhaps not by that
name. No 'other cold/flu season' was comparable in severity, except perhaps that 1918-1920 pandemic. Three years isn't a "season".

Wuhan IS a precedent for any lockdown this month. "Unprecedented" is an easily overused concept, and less important than preparedness to deal with a health emergency.

The virus, by most accounts, came from a specific kind of bat. This bat was not sold in the Wuhan wet markets, but WAS used in research at the Wuhan Virus Lab. Even the sub-rate intelligence of Sloman should be able to figure out where COVID-19 originated.

The ancestor of the Covid-19 virus may still prefer to infect a specific kind of bat. It can't infect human beings.

Covid-19 has mutated away from this ancestral strain - it only shares 96.2% of the ancestral genome.

Precisely what other species of bats it's more immediate ancestors might have infected isn't clear, and some people have suggested that one of those intermediate ancestors might have infected pangolins as well.

Flyguy can't do joined up logic, but he's great at complaining that other people aren't clever enough to share his fatuous delusions.

We aren't all as gullible as he is, and he resents it when this pointed out.

Hey Sloman,

You ARE really SLOW, aren't you? The Wuhan lab was doing RESEARCH into coronavirus, not STOCKPILING it.

What makes you think that - apart from a congenital weakness for fatuous conspiracy theories?

They were infecting other lab animals with it and seeing what they got in the way of mutations.

You don't get mutations from infecting other lab animals. If a bat corona virus has mutated enough that it can infect other animals, you may be able to find such a virus in other animals, but your sentence - as written - is pig-ignorant nonsense.

Well, they came up with a particularly NASTY version of this virus that somehow got out of the lab because of their poor practices. Not too surprising, actually.

In your conspiracy theory world they might have genetically engineered - also known as intelligently designed - a new virus, but the Covid-19 sequence doesn't show any sign of such a manipulation.

You are merely a raving lunatic. Save your idiocies for a more receptive - and much more gullible - audience.

LOL! Hey Sloman, now you are EDITING my comments!! I NEVER wrote "Hey Sloman" - I wrote "Hey Sloman"

Sure you did. I'm not going to encourage your primary school attempts at humour by leaving them uncorrected.

You are a degenerate twit with no capabilities of rational thought.

You really will have to stop recycling accurate descriptions of your own status as abuse against your betters.

It doesn't actually work, even if it may make you feel better.

The truth behind the COVID-19 outbreak from the Wuhan lab is obvious to everybody BUT YOU!!!

Everybody else who shares your gullible enthusiasm for half-witted conspiracy theories. There may be several other equally brain-damaged loons around.

Did I say COVID-19 was "genetically engineered?" The answer, even to a brain-dead corpse such as yourself, is a RESOUNDING NO!!!

Probably true, since you have no idea what "genetic engineering" means

What we DO know is that the bats from which COVID came from WERE in the Wuhan lab and WERE NOT in the Wuhan wet market.

But the Covid-19 isn't the ancestral virus, and had probably gone through a bunch of intermediate genome structures, and bunch of other hosts, before it acquired the capacity to infect humans.

As usual you have come up with an irrelevant fact, and lack the wit to perceive quite how irrelevant it is.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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Go ahead and waste your time - you have just PROVEN that ALL of your replies are LIES!!!

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 2:38:50 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 8:39:33 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 12:42:32 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:18:52 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:39:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:19:10 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:24:18 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:45:03 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:32:56 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Once the virus spread out from a small area in Wuhan, there was no way
to stop it. If it did start in a virus lab in China, it's not racist
to say so.

Yet, in Wuhan, it WAS stopped. We can be sure it started in a bat, all else is speculation (and unproductive, and uninteresting). The virus is
killing people, and isn't racist.

Maybe this is not unprecedented in US history, certainly not compared
to 1918 and probably not comparable to several other cold/flu seasons.
What's unprecedented is the reaction and the lockdowns.

There were lockdowns in the 1918-1920 epidemic, perhaps not by that
name. No 'other cold/flu season' was comparable in severity, except perhaps that 1918-1920 pandemic. Three years isn't a "season".

Wuhan IS a precedent for any lockdown this month. "Unprecedented" is an easily overused concept, and less important than preparedness to deal with a health emergency.

The virus, by most accounts, came from a specific kind of bat.. This bat was not sold in the Wuhan wet markets, but WAS used in research at the Wuhan Virus Lab. Even the sub-rate intelligence of Sloman should be able to figure out where COVID-19 originated.

The ancestor of the Covid-19 virus may still prefer to infect a specific kind of bat. It can't infect human beings.

Covid-19 has mutated away from this ancestral strain - it only shares 96.2% of the ancestral genome.

Precisely what other species of bats it's more immediate ancestors might have infected isn't clear, and some people have suggested that one of those intermediate ancestors might have infected pangolins as well.

Flyguy can't do joined up logic, but he's great at complaining that other people aren't clever enough to share his fatuous delusions.

We aren't all as gullible as he is, and he resents it when this pointed out.

Hey Sloman,

You ARE really SLOW, aren't you? The Wuhan lab was doing RESEARCH into coronavirus, not STOCKPILING it.

What makes you think that - apart from a congenital weakness for fatuous conspiracy theories?

They were infecting other lab animals with it and seeing what they got in the way of mutations.

You don't get mutations from infecting other lab animals. If a bat corona virus has mutated enough that it can infect other animals, you may be able to find such a virus in other animals, but your sentence - as written - is pig-ignorant nonsense.

Well, they came up with a particularly NASTY version of this virus that somehow got out of the lab because of their poor practices. Not too surprising, actually.

In your conspiracy theory world they might have genetically engineered - also known as intelligently designed - a new virus, but the Covid-19 sequence doesn't show any sign of such a manipulation.

You are merely a raving lunatic. Save your idiocies for a more receptive - and much more gullible - audience.

LOL! Hey Sloman, now you are EDITING my comments!! I NEVER wrote "Hey Sloman" - I wrote "Hey Sloman"

Sure you did. I'm not going to encourage your primary school attempts at humour by leaving them uncorrected.

You are a degenerate twit with no capabilities of rational thought.

You really will have to stop recycling accurate descriptions of your own status as abuse against your betters.

It doesn't actually work, even if it may make you feel better.

The truth behind the COVID-19 outbreak from the Wuhan lab is obvious to everybody BUT YOU!!!

Everybody else who shares your gullible enthusiasm for half-witted conspiracy theories. There may be several other equally brain-damaged loons around.

Did I say COVID-19 was "genetically engineered?" The answer, even to a brain-dead corpse such as yourself, is a RESOUNDING NO!!!

Probably true, since you have no idea what "genetic engineering" means

What we DO know is that the bats from which COVID came from WERE in the Wuhan lab and WERE NOT in the Wuhan wet market.

But the Covid-19 isn't the ancestral virus, and had probably gone through a bunch of intermediate genome structures, and bunch of other hosts, before it acquired the capacity to infect humans.

As usual you have come up with an irrelevant fact, and lack the wit to perceive quite how irrelevant it is.

<snip>

> Go ahead and waste your time - you have just PROVEN that ALL of your replies are LIES!!!

To Flyguy's complete satisfaction. Once again he reminds us that his idea of "proof" isn't one that is widely shared.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[David Brown]

On 16/04/2020 04:24, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:20:55 AM UTC+10, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:18:52 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman
wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:39:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

You ARE really SLOW, aren't you? The Wuhan lab was doing
RESEARCH into coronavirus, not STOCKPILING it.

What makes you think that - apart from a congenital weakness for
fatuous conspiracy theories?

There are numerous reports that they were cooperating with US
researchers on the SARS coronavirus in bats. That was discussed in
a thread here somewhere. The Chinese asked for more assistance and
we had embassy scientists inspect their facility. They recommended
we give them the assistance and we declined to act.

Whether or not this lab was the source of the pandemic is not yet
known, but it's not looking so improbable.

Only to a rabid conspiracy theory nut.

If there's one thing that research institutions do well, it is
stopping the different viruses they are studying from leaking from
one lab to next one.

If they can't manage that they won't be doing research that will be
taken seriously. Imagining that a virus could leak out into the
outside world takes a Flyguy level of mental incompetence.

Stuff leaks out of biolabs all the time. Usually, no harm comes of it -
sometimes people die.

<https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/3/20/18260669/deadly-pathogens-escape-lab-smallpox-bird-flu>

It is not at all unrealistic to suppose that the virus spread after an
accidental leak from this lab. (Equally, there is - AFAIK - no direct
evidence that this is what happened.)

Intentional leaks, bioweapon research, etc., are the stuff of conspiracy
theorist fantasies. But accidents happen despite the best of
intentions, the best of routines, the best of staff, the best of equipment.

 

[Ricky C]

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:51:53 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

On 16/04/2020 04:24, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:20:55 AM UTC+10, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:18:52 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman
wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:39:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

You ARE really SLOW, aren't you? The Wuhan lab was doing
RESEARCH into coronavirus, not STOCKPILING it.

What makes you think that - apart from a congenital weakness for
fatuous conspiracy theories?

There are numerous reports that they were cooperating with US
researchers on the SARS coronavirus in bats. That was discussed in
a thread here somewhere. The Chinese asked for more assistance and
we had embassy scientists inspect their facility. They recommended
we give them the assistance and we declined to act.

Whether or not this lab was the source of the pandemic is not yet
known, but it's not looking so improbable.

Only to a rabid conspiracy theory nut.

If there's one thing that research institutions do well, it is
stopping the different viruses they are studying from leaking from
one lab to next one.

If they can't manage that they won't be doing research that will be
taken seriously. Imagining that a virus could leak out into the
outside world takes a Flyguy level of mental incompetence.


Stuff leaks out of biolabs all the time. Usually, no harm comes of it -
sometimes people die.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/3/20/18260669/deadly-pathogens-escape-lab-smallpox-bird-flu

It is not at all unrealistic to suppose that the virus spread after an
accidental leak from this lab. (Equally, there is - AFAIK - no direct
evidence that this is what happened.)

Intentional leaks, bioweapon research, etc., are the stuff of conspiracy
theorist fantasies. But accidents happen despite the best of
intentions, the best of routines, the best of staff, the best of equipment.

The best argument for the SARS-CoV-2 being from a Chinese lab is that the argument for it coming from the "live" fish market is poor. While we want to believe this happened from a natural process (but then do we?) it seems at this point there is as much evidence it came from some other source.

That is not to say the virus didn't evolve naturally. But it may have been the efforts of the lab that brought the virus from a cave to a population center. If, indeed that is how the virus was spread, it may be that we would have never seen this strain infect humans and it may have died out in the wild.

Viruses are very strange pathogens. They are the ultimate expression that the purpose of life is to replicate nucleic acids. The corporeal expression of the nucleic acids are just a means to an end... propagating the information contained in them. In the case of the virus, there is never really a viral organism, just an incredibly simple carrier of the nucleotides.

Viruses are really just nucleic acid accidents that happen to be able to exploit weaknesses in their hosts.

--

Rick C.

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