Who Will Stand This Mighty Destroyer of Pretend Engineers?

[John Fields]

On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:40:37 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote
John Larkin <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
Bret Cahill wrote

Everyone's seen that stuff 8 billion times.

Are you trying to bore everyone to death or what?

OK, show us something interesting that you've done.

I'm constantly posting ideas, especially in the summer.

Ideas are wonderful; the more the better. But they have to be
sifted by reality, lest they just be a heap of noise. And occasionally
turned into real stuff to add a little feedback to the process.

It's rewarding to have an idea, make it actually work, and sell
it to people who appreciate it. Call it insecurity, but seeing the
ideas out there working, for serious people, is awfully validating.

Only the pathetically insecure actually need any 'validating'

If nobody buys your stuff, that's OK with you?

Yep, if I know that its a good idea. I dont care whether anyone else agrees or not.

So you and your good idea get to die in the dark

Never said anything like that. You dont have to turn the idea
into a viable product yourself for it to be a worthwhile idea.

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Never said you did. What I said is that if you don't share the idea
then it's going to go to the grave with you and you will have cheated
mankind out of something worthwhile.
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instead of getting proliferated for your good and that of all mankind?

Plenty of ideas are nothing like that.

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Got an example or two?
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That's pretty damned selfish, I'd say,

Have fun thrashing that straw man ?

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It's not a straw man, it's the point.

Moreover, your impugning it as being a straw man _is_ a straw man.
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since all you get if you do it that way is to suck
tour thumb and watch the world die around you.

Not if someone else chooses to use the idea.

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But you have to SHARE it for that to happen and you stated earlier:

"Only the pathetically insecure actually need any 'validating'"

and:

"Yep, if I know that its a good idea. I dont care whether anyone else
agrees or not."

Which indicates to me that you won't share the idea because that'll
compromise your sense of "No validation required".
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I love it when Pratt&Whitney or McDonald Douglas or Rolls Royce or the Skunk
Works picks my stuff over somebody else's. Is that pathetically insecure?

Yep, particularly when anyone with a clue realises that corporates
can pick things for completely silly bureaucratic reasons.

Like _you've_ got a clue?

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

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But you can't.
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Tell us about your life in corporate America
and how you know that what you claim is true.

Dont need to have anything like that to see that that particular claim is true.

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If you haven't "Been there, done that." then it's all hearsay.
---

History is riddled with examples of footshot after footshot after footshot
where corporates have been too stupid to know a good idea when they
see one and where they ignore a good idea because it would cripple
the prospects for their current offers in the market etc.

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Hindsight's 20-20, isn't it?

If exploiting an idea would endager their position in the marketplace,
then they'd have to be daft to try it.

Besides, "Ignore" is hardly the right word since if an idea is
presented and subsequently rejected, it's still been acknowledged as
an idea.
---

Oh, and while you're at it, tell us about your experiences regarding
electronic circuit design and how you've made a difference, OK?

None of your business.

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Translation: "I don't have a clue."
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If you've got a clue, you know if your idea is any good.

Nope,

Yep.

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Nope.

There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip, so even if you've got
a clue there's no telling whether the idea is good or not unless it's
reduced to practice, even if that "practice" has to be a thought
experiment.
---

unless all you care about it is for your own use.

Wrong, as always.

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Your word is hardly sacrosanct, so have you got some proof?
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You dont need someone to 'validate' that.

That's not true in the private sector,

Wrong again. Most obviously when someone else uses a worthwhile idea.

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If someone else uses it, then you must admit that it has to be shared
to be brought to fruition, and the validation occurs when it's proven
to work.
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where sales are validation.

Only for narrow focused fools that are pathetically insecure.

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I'd say that exactly the opposite is true, considering the amount of
effort and risk that's involved in fleshing out an idea and bringing
it to the marketplace.

Certainly not an exercise for the faint of heart, a set of which you
seem to be a member.
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How do you feel about atheletes who want to win an Olympic Gold, or the Super Bowl?

I've always believed that all competitive sports were completely stupid.

Those who participate in them in spades.

And yet, here you are on USENET, running the race of your life
and trying to prove that you're right and everyone else is wrong.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys/pathetic excuse for a troll.

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Hardly, since you seem to be the one tugging on the hook.
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reams of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys flushed where they belong

Are they pathetically insecure?

Yep, in spades.

I think not.

Thats the only thing you did manage to get right. Nothing to 'think' with.

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Well, that was marginally clever, for a change.
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They have the balls to believe they're the best

Or are drugged to the gills to try to cheat the system.

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You elieve that everyone is guilty until proven innocent, eh?
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and aren't afraid to put it all on the line to prove it.

And you?

I piss on clowns like you from a great height.

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Sounds like a mescaline induced hallucination to me.
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You get to like that or lump it, child.

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Geez, Mommy, are those the only chices I'm allowed to have?

JF

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:06:04 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

"Rod Speed" wrote:
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote

And you?

I piss on clowns like you from a great height.

You get to like that or lump it, child.


What could you possibly know about great heights?

I'm hard pressed to tell who's the least imaginative insulter. Cahill or Speed.

Graham

Both are amateurs, at technology and at insulting.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 05:37:23 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
John Larkin wrote
Rod Speed wrote
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote

And you?

I piss on clowns like you from a great height.

You get to like that or lump it, child.

What could you possibly know about great heights?

I'm hard pressed to tell who's the least imaginative insulter. Cahill or Speed.

Both are amateurs, at technology and at insulting.

You three clowns in spades.

And at grammar.

John

 

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

John Larkin wrote
Eeyore wrote
John Larkin wrote
Rod Speed wrote
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote

And you?

I piss on clowns like you from a great height.

You get to like that or lump it, child.

What could you possibly know about great heights?

I'm hard pressed to tell who's the least imaginative insulter. Cahill or Speed.

Both are amateurs, at technology and at insulting.

You three clowns in spades.

Oh dear that actually made me laugh out loud.

A brainless jerk insults 3 engineers whose products have sold in the (most likely tens
of ) thousands

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

John Fields wrote

Geez, Mommy, are those the only chices I'm allowed to have?

Yep, and if you dont like it, do the decent thing and hang yourself or sumfin.

You know you're not really very good at this. I'll have to tell Bertei I've met you.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
John Larkin wrote
Eeyore wrote
John Larkin wrote
Rod Speed wrote
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote

And you?

I piss on clowns like you from a great height.

You get to like that or lump it, child.

What could you possibly know about great heights?

I'm hard pressed to tell who's the least imaginative insulter.
Cahill or Speed.

Both are amateurs, at technology and at insulting.

You three clowns in spades.

Oh dear that actually made me laugh out loud.

A brainless jerk insults 3 engineers whose products
have sold in the (most likely tens of ) thousands

Just another pathetic excuse for an insult any 2 year old could leave for dead.

Search ebay for "studiomaster" in my case..

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
John Fields wrote

Geez, Mommy, are those the only chices I'm allowed to have?

Yep, and if you dont like it, do the decent thing and hang yourself or sumfin.

You know you're not really very good at this.
I'll have to tell Bertei I've met you.

Just another pathetic excuse for an insult any 2 year old could leave for dead.

I'll be sure to let Bertei know you passed on your regards.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
John Larkin wrote
Eeyore wrote
John Larkin wrote
Rod Speed wrote
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote

And you?

I piss on clowns like you from a great height.

You get to like that or lump it, child.

What could you possibly know about great heights?

I'm hard pressed to tell who's the least imaginative insulter.
Cahill or Speed.

Both are amateurs, at technology and at insulting.

You three clowns in spades.

Oh dear that actually made me laugh out loud.

A brainless jerk insults 3 engineers whose products
have sold in the (most likely tens of ) thousands

Just another pathetic excuse for an insult any 2 year old could leave for dead.

Search ebay for "studiomaster" in my case..

Irrelevant to how pathetic you are at insults, and even very basic
stuff like working out what can be done about terrorists in spades.

The UK found a settlement with the IRA that works and I fully support and you think
you know better ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
John Fields wrote

Geez, Mommy, are those the only chices I'm allowed to have?

Yep, and if you dont like it, do the decent thing and hang yourself or sumfin.

You know you're not really very good at this.
I'll have to tell Bertei I've met you.

Just another pathetic excuse for an insult any 2 year old could leave for dead.

I'll be sure to let Bertei know you passed on your regards.

Retake Bullshitting 101, child.

Be sure, he knows you.

Graham

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 06:01:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote
John Larkin <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
Bret Cahill wrote

Everyone's seen that stuff 8 billion times.

Are you trying to bore everyone to death or what?

OK, show us something interesting that you've done.

I'm constantly posting ideas, especially in the summer.

Ideas are wonderful; the more the better. But they have to be
sifted by reality, lest they just be a heap of noise. And occasionally
turned into real stuff to add a little feedback to the process.

It's rewarding to have an idea, make it actually work, and sell
it to people who appreciate it. Call it insecurity, but seeing the
ideas out there working, for serious people, is awfully validating.

Only the pathetically insecure actually need any 'validating'

If nobody buys your stuff, that's OK with you?

Yep, if I know that its a good idea. I dont care whether anyone else agrees or not.

So you and your good idea get to die in the dark

Never said anything like that. You dont have to turn the idea
into a viable product yourself for it to be a worthwhile idea.

Never said you did. What I said is that if you don't share
the idea then it's going to go to the grave with you

We werent discussing not sharing the idea, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

What was being discussed was whether an worthwhile idea needs to
be VALIDATED by producing a product that corporates choose to buy.

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No, what was being discussed is the validation that _people_ feel when
a good idea is turned into reality and appreciated by serious people.

Go back and read it some more and maybe it'll come to you. Or, maybe
not.

Your position, as you describe it, is more akin to that of a poet who
writes beautiful poetry but refuses to reveal it because of his
haughty stance that he needs no validation from others.
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and you will have cheated mankind out of something worthwhile.

Nope, most obviously if someone else also comes up with that idea later.

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Some things never come back once they're lost.
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instead of getting proliferated for your good and that of all mankind?

Plenty of ideas are nothing like that.

Got an example or two?

The idea that you can con some fools into believing that that if they blow themselves to bits in
the right circumstances that that will be an instant transport to nirvana is one obvious example.

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Well, we were talking about _good_ ideas that are lost because of the
reticence of the thinker to share them, for whatever reason, so your
example is clearly out of the scope of the discussion.
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Religion is repleat with examples of ideas that are bad for mankind.

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What?

The idea that it's bad to commit murder, or lie, or steal is bad for
mankind?


It's "Replete."

'Repleat' is what someone does to draperies which have lost their
pleats.
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That's pretty damned selfish, I'd say,

Have fun thrashing that straw man ?

It's not a straw man, it's the point.

Its a straw man.

Moreover, your impugning it as being a straw man _is_ a straw man.

Pathetic. You wouldnt know what a real straw man was if one bit you on your lard arse.

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Well, then, explain how my statement was a straw man.
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since all you get if you do it that way is to suck
tour thumb and watch the world die around you.

Not if someone else chooses to use the idea.

But you have to SHARE it for that to happen

And we werent discussing not SHARING it, we were discussing
whether producing a product that uses that idea and flogging it
to a corporate VALIDATES the idea. Of course it doesnt.

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validating the _idea_ wasn't what was being discussed, the feelings of
validation experienced by the thinker-upper of the idea were.

Go back and read it again for a clue.
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and you stated earlier:

"Only the pathetically insecure actually need any 'validating'"

Clearly nothing to do with SHARING.

and:

"Yep, if I know that its a good idea. I dont care whether anyone else agrees or not."

Which indicates to me that you won't share the idea

More fool you. We were clearly discussing the Brat sharing ideas.

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Do try to keep up.

The thread meandered away from that quite a while ago.
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because that'll compromise your sense of "No validation required".

Pathetic.

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Excellent reasoning.
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I love it when Pratt&Whitney or McDonald Douglas or Rolls Royce or the Skunk
Works picks my stuff over somebody else's. Is that pathetically insecure?

Yep, particularly when anyone with a clue realises that corporates
can pick things for completely silly bureaucratic reasons.

Like _you've_ got a clue?

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

But you can't.

Just did.

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Did not, doom-doom head.
---

Tell us about your life in corporate America
and how you know that what you claim is true.

Dont need to have anything like that to see that that particular claim is true.

If you haven't "Been there, done that." then it's all hearsay.

Wrong again. Thats not what hearsay is.

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Where did you hear that?
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History is riddled with examples of footshot after footshot after footshot
where corporates have been too stupid to know a good idea when they
see one and where they ignore a good idea because it would cripple
the prospects for their current offers in the market etc.

Hindsight's 20-20, isn't it?

Taint hindsight either. Just history.

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Of course it's history, That's blatantly obvious but your claim that:
"Geez, they shouldn't have done it that way." is _precisely_
hindsight.
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If exploiting an idea would endager their position in
the marketplace, then they'd have to be daft to try it.

But that does mean that if they decide that they arent interested
in your idea, that that does NOT mean that the idea is invalid,
just that they are have their own agenda and that they are
irrelevant as far as whether your idea is worthwhile or not.

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Again, the subject at hand is _not_ validation of the idea, it's
validation of the person who generated the idea.
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Besides, "Ignore" is hardly the right word since if an idea is presented
and subsequently rejected, it's still been acknowledged as an idea.

We're discussing VALIDATION of an idea. If its ignorned, it aint been VALIDATED.

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No.

Were discussing validating the generator of the idea, not the idea
itself.
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Oh, and while you're at it, tell us about your experiences regarding
electronic circuit design and how you've made a difference, OK?

None of your business.

Translation: "I don't have a clue."

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

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What do you mean?
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If you've got a clue, you know if your idea is any good.

Nope,

Yep.

Nope.

Yep.

There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip,

Irrelevant to whether its a worthwhile idea or not.

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Hardly. if it's a worthwhile idea then its worth will be borne out
with its successful execution. If it's found to be unexecutable then
it's a bad idea.

An example in that direction might be: "I have this great idea!
Everything revolves around the Earth!" Initially a great idea. As
time went by, not so great.

In the other direction, Feynman was initially ridiculed for his views
re. quantum electrodynamics, but as time went by he was vindicated and
his "bad" idea became an excellent one.
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so even if you've got a clue there's no telling whether
the idea is good or not unless it's reduced to practice,

Wrong again.

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Nope.
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There's been many who have come up with a good idea
who arent capable of turning that into a viable product.
Its still a good idea even if they cant and someone else
can turn it into a viable product.

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We're not talking about whether it can be made to work by _someone_,
we're taking about it being a bad idea if it can't be made to work by
anyone.

But, we're getting off the subject here, the subject being the
validation of the originator of the idea, not the validation of the
idea itself.
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even if that "practice" has to be a thought experiment.

Just as true even with that.

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So you're agreeing with me about something?
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unless all you care about it is for your own use.

Wrong, as always.

Your word is hardly sacrosanct, so have you got some proof?

How odd that we havent seen a shred of that from you.

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Dodging, huh?

Your not being able to or desiring to see truth doesn't mean truth
isn't there.

That's a predicament many liars find themselves in, in that in order
to traverse the tangled web they weave they start to believe their own
lies and consider truth to be stepping-stones they must avoid.

How's about that proof you owe me?
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You dont need someone to 'validate' that.

That's not true in the private sector,

Wrong again. Most obviously when someone else uses a worthwhile idea.

If someone else uses it, then you must admit that it has to be shared to be brought to fruition,

We werent discussing sharing, we were discussing whether you need to turn it into a viable
product that some corporate chooses to buy to VALIDATE and idea. Of course you dont.

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Once again, <YAWN> we weren't discussing validation of the idea, we
were discussing the feelings of validation experienced by the
originator of the idea when that idea was successfully brought to
fruition and appreciated by serious people.
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and the validation occurs when it's proven to work.

Yep, unlike Larkin's silly claim about turning it into a viable product
yourself and getting a corporate interested in that product.

And even with someone else choosing to use an idea, only the pathetically
insecure need that to happen to 'validate' what is a useful idea.
Its STILL a useful idea even if you're the only one that ever gets to hear about it.

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Larkin wasn't talking about that, he was talking about the feeling of
satisfaction (elation, even, if the path to the summit is difficult)
one feels when one's ideas are translated into reality and they work
and are acknowledged as being worthwhile by people who know what
they're talking about.

Sadly, that's something you know nothing about and what with your
stallion stance forcing the corral gate to remain closed, you never
will.
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where sales are validation.

Only for narrow focused fools that are pathetically insecure.

I'd say that exactly the opposite is true,

Your problem.

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In what respect?
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considering the amount of effort and risk that's involved
in fleshing out an idea and bringing it to the marketplace.

It aint just about the marketplace. Plenty of the most
important ideas dont involve the marketplace at all.

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Well, even your last cockamamie example about some jihadope blowing
himself to smithereens involved some explosives, and where do you
think they came from?
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Certainly not an exercise for the faint of heart,

Its got nothing to do with hearts.

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OK then, it takes a set of balls, something else you seem to lack.
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a set of which you seem to be a member.

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

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You keep saying that, and you seem to think that it has some
nullifying effect concerning what it followed, but I don't get it.

Is it like if I said:

"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I don't
know if what you heard was what I meant."

and you reply:

"Da da goo goo"?
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How do you feel about atheletes who want to win an Olympic Gold, or the Super Bowl?

I've always believed that all competitive sports were completely stupid.

Those who participate in them in spades.

And yet, here you are on USENET, running the race of your life
and trying to prove that you're right and everyone else is wrong.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys/pathetic excuse for a troll.

Hardly,

Fraid so.

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Don't be 'fraid, pookie, It's all in your mind.

Or maybe you should be _very_ 'fraid since your resources seem to be
so limited.
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since you seem to be the one tugging on the hook.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

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"Fantasies".

Is it?

You seem to be hooked in that you keep posting back even though you
get thoroughly spanked every time you do.

No fantasy about that, and you keep posting with wild abandon, so you
must like it.

I don't mind doing it, if that's what it takes to turn you misfits
around, but it does interfere with my pro bono electronic design work,
so try to get well quickly, OK?
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reams of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys flushed where they belong

Are they pathetically insecure?

Yep, in spades.

I think not.

Thats the only thing you did manage to get right. Nothing to 'think' with.

Well, that was marginally clever, for a change.

Unlike your juvenile shit.

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Well, since you seem to think that you're a judge of shit I'll gladly
send you a freshly extruded turd and let you guess how old the colon
it came from was.

Just post a physical address and it'll be on its way
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They have the balls to believe they're the best

Or are drugged to the gills to try to cheat the system.

You elieve that everyone is guilty until proven innocent, eh?

Nope.

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Then why would you assume they're all "drugged to the gills"
with no proof?
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and aren't afraid to put it all on the line to prove it.

And you?

I piss on clowns like you from a great height.

Sounds like a mescaline induced hallucination to me.

You'd be the expert on those.

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Yup, that's how I spotted it.
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You get to like that or lump it, child.

Geez, Mommy, are those the only chices I'm allowed to have?

Yep, and if you dont like it, do the decent thing and hang yourself or sumfin.

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So you want me to go away and let you post the self-loathing you feel
for yourself in ways that can be transferred into the hatred of
innocents you feel are beneath you, so you can eliminate them?

That's what all of you idiot misfits want. Elimination of competition,
but that's not what you're going to get.

From me, at least.

As far as I can tell, you're just another Hitler wannabe.

Though not as charismatic or as smart, you still want to kill those
who disagree with you, and then render the world your oyster.

Then, after you've killed everyone who disagrees with you, and it's
your oyster, what's your plan?

JF

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:46:00 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
John Fields wrote

Geez, Mommy, are those the only chices I'm allowed to have?

Yep, and if you dont like it, do the decent thing and hang yourself or sumfin.

You know you're not really very good at this.
I'll have to tell Bertei I've met you.

Just another pathetic excuse for an insult any 2 year old could leave for dead.

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What does that mean?

JF

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:00:24 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote just the
usual pathetic excuse for a troll thats all it can ever manage.

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What, not 'puerile'?

Congratulations, you're a two trick pony, which I'm sure all your
"clients" enjoy.

JF

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:25:40 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote
John Larkin <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
Bret Cahill wrote

Everyone's seen that stuff 8 billion times.

Are you trying to bore everyone to death or what?

OK, show us something interesting that you've done.

I'm constantly posting ideas, especially in the summer.

Ideas are wonderful; the more the better. But they have to be
sifted by reality, lest they just be a heap of noise. And occasionally
turned into real stuff to add a little feedback to the process.

It's rewarding to have an idea, make it actually work, and sell
it to people who appreciate it. Call it insecurity, but seeing the
ideas out there working, for serious people, is awfully validating.

Only the pathetically insecure actually need any 'validating'

If nobody buys your stuff, that's OK with you?

Yep, if I know that its a good idea. I dont care whether anyone else agrees or not.

So you and your good idea get to die in the dark

Never said anything like that. You dont have to turn the idea
into a viable product yourself for it to be a worthwhile idea.

Never said you did. What I said is that if you don't share
the idea then it's going to go to the grave with you

We werent discussing not sharing the idea, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

What was being discussed was whether an worthwhile idea needs to
be VALIDATED by producing a product that corporates choose to buy.

No,

Yep.

what was being discussed is the validation that _people_ feel when
a good idea is turned into reality and appreciated by serious people.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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The dialogue which shows that you're either terminally stupid or a two
faced liar or a terminally stupid two faced liar follows.

Larkin:

"It's rewarding to have an idea, make it actually work, and sell
it to people who appreciate it. Call it insecurity, but seeing the
ideas out there working, for serious people, is awfully validating."

You:

"Only the pathetically insecure actually need any 'validating'"

Note that nowhere is validation of a product mentioned, and your
"pathetically insecure" was meant to counter Larkin's "rewarding" and
"validating" which refer to emotional states attributed to the
originator of the idea.

Squirm, bitch.
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Running out of steam, are you?
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and you will have cheated mankind out of something worthwhile.

Nope, most obviously if someone else also comes up with that idea later.

Some things never come back once they're lost.

Thats never ever true of any idea that matters.

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More stupidity.

If an idea which hasn't been disclosed is irretrievably lost then
there'll be no knowledge of its having existed in the first place, and
no guarantee that it will ever be thought of again.

Even if it was thought of again later, was divulged, and was
worthwhile, mankind would still have been cheated out of its benefits
for the period of time it took between the first and second
conception.
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instead of getting proliferated for your good and that of all mankind?

Plenty of ideas are nothing like that.

Got an example or two?

The idea that you can con some fools into believing that that if
they blow themselves to bits in the right circumstances that that
will be an instant transport to nirvana is one obvious example.

Well, we were talking about _good_ ideas that are lost because
of the reticence of the thinker to share them, for whatever reason,

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Got something like a poll to prove it?
---

so your example is clearly out of the scope of the discussion.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Got something like a poll to prove it?
---

Religion is repleat with examples of ideas that are bad for mankind.

What?

You deaf ?

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Nope, incredulous.
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The idea that it's bad to commit murder, or lie, or steal is bad for mankind?

Never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that, you pathetic excuse for a lying bullshit artist.

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Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much.

Religion is also "repleat" with ideas that are good for mankind
(matter of fact, most religious texts are survival manuals)
and what I did was present an example from the Ten Commandments to
illustrate that.

Your flying off the handle at a statement which counters yours is a
sign of deep-seated insecurity (what a surprise!) and probably
something you should have evaluated (and treated) by a professional.
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See the immediately preceding re. professional help
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That's pretty damned selfish, I'd say,

Have fun thrashing that straw man ?

It's not a straw man, it's the point.

Its a straw man.

Moreover, your impugning it as being a straw man _is_ a straw man.

Pathetic. You wouldnt know what a real straw man was if one bit you on your lard arse.

Well, then, explain how my statement was a straw man.

You're too stupid to understand the anwer.

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Translation: "I can't."
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since all you get if you do it that way is to suck
tour thumb and watch the world die around you.

Not if someone else chooses to use the idea.

But you have to SHARE it for that to happen

And we werent discussing not SHARING it, we were discussing
whether producing a product that uses that idea and flogging it
to a corporate VALIDATES the idea. Of course it doesnt.

validating the _idea_ wasn't what was being discussed,

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Got some proof?
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the feelings of validation experienced by the thinker-upper of the idea were.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Change the record, OK?
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Change the record, OK?
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and you stated earlier:

"Only the pathetically insecure actually need any 'validating'"

Clearly nothing to do with SHARING.

and:

"Yep, if I know that its a good idea. I dont care whether anyone else agrees or not."

Which indicates to me that you won't share the idea

More fool you. We were clearly discussing the Brat sharing ideas.

Do try to keep up.

Not even possible to keep up with your pathetic excuse for lying bullshit.

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Then you admit I'm winning?
---

The thread meandered away from that quite a while ago.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Change the record, OK?
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because that'll compromise your sense of "No validation required".

Pathetic.

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Change the record, OK?
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I love it when Pratt&Whitney or McDonald Douglas or Rolls Royce or the Skunk
Works picks my stuff over somebody else's. Is that pathetically insecure?

Yep, particularly when anyone with a clue realises that corporates
can pick things for completely silly bureaucratic reasons.

Like _you've_ got a clue?

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

But you can't.

Just did.

Did not, doom-doom head.

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

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Change the record, OK?
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Get one to help you before posting again.

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Seems I've got one thrashing around on the end of my line.
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If anyone is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.

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Hmm...

That's an interesting dodge.

Given up on validation?
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Tell us about your life in corporate America
and how you know that what you claim is true.

Dont need to have anything like that to see that that particular claim is true.

If you haven't "Been there, done that." then it's all hearsay.

Wrong again. Thats not what hearsay is.

Where did you hear that?

Usual place, a dictionary. Try it some time.

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You must have misread the entry.

Here's the real deal:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hearsay+evidence
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History is riddled with examples of footshot after footshot after footshot
where corporates have been too stupid to know a good idea when they
see one and where they ignore a good idea because it would cripple
the prospects for their current offers in the market etc.

Hindsight's 20-20, isn't it?

Taint hindsight either. Just history.

Of course it's history, That's blatantly obvious but your claim that:
"Geez, they shouldn't have done it that way." is _precisely_ hindsight.

Pity that was never ever my claim, you pathetic excuse for a lying bullshit artist.

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Then shooting oneself in the foot is a _good_ thing?
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If exploiting an idea would endager their position in
the marketplace, then they'd have to be daft to try it.

But that does mean that if they decide that they arent interested
in your idea, that that does NOT mean that the idea is invalid,
just that they are have their own agenda and that they are
irrelevant as far as whether your idea is worthwhile or not.

Again, the subject at hand is _not_ validation of the idea,

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Change the record, OK?
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it's validation of the person who generated the idea.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Change the record, OK?
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Besides, "Ignore" is hardly the right word since if an idea is presented
and subsequently rejected, it's still been acknowledged as an idea.

We're discussing VALIDATION of an idea. If its ignorned, it aint been VALIDATED.

No.

Yep.

Were discussing validating the generator of the idea, not the idea itself.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Change the record, OK?
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Oh, and while you're at it, tell us about your experiences regarding
electronic circuit design and how you've made a difference, OK?

None of your business.

Translation: "I don't have a clue."

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

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Change the record, OK?
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What do you mean?

Pathetic.

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Translation:

"I don't know."
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If you've got a clue, you know if your idea is any good.

Nope,

Yep.

Nope.

Yep.

There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip,

Irrelevant to whether its a worthwhile idea or not.

Hardly.

Fraid so.

if it's a worthwhile idea then its worth will be borne out with its successful execution.

Doesnt have to be by the individual that produced the idea, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Change the record, OK?
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If it's found to be unexecutable then it's a bad idea.

Not if that problem isnt permanent.

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An example in that direction might be: "I have this great idea!
Everything revolves around the Earth!" Initially a great idea.
As time went by, not so great.

Thats not an idea that can be turned into a product and flogged
to a corporate, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Neither was your entry about religion being "repleat" with ideas which
are bad for mankind, so as long as it's you and not someone else it's
OK?

What a phony bastard you are.
--

In the other direction, Feynman was initially ridiculed for his
views re. quantum electrodynamics, but as time went by he
was vindicated and his "bad" idea became an excellent one.

And that did not require any product that could be flogged to a
corporate to validate it, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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See above, ya goddam phony.
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so even if you've got a clue there's no telling whether
the idea is good or not unless it's reduced to practice,

Wrong again.

Nope.

Yep.

There's been many who have come up with a good idea
who arent capable of turning that into a viable product.
Its still a good idea even if they cant and someone else
can turn it into a viable product.

We're not talking about whether it can be made to work by _someone_,
we're taking about it being a bad idea if it can't be made to work by anyone.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Change the record, OK?
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But, we're getting off the subject here, the subject being the validation
of the originator of the idea, not the validation of the idea itself.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Change the record, OK?
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even if that "practice" has to be a thought experiment.

Just as true even with that.

So you're agreeing with me about something?

Pathetic.

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Change the record, OK?
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unless all you care about it is for your own use.

Wrong, as always.

Your word is hardly sacrosanct, so have you got some proof?

How odd that we havent seen a shred of that from you.

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No doubt that was in response to my earlier:

"Dodging, huh?

Your not being able to or desiring to see truth doesn't mean truth
isn't there.

That's a predicament many liars find themselves in, in that in order
to traverse the tangled web they weave they start to believe their own
lies and consider truth to be stepping-stones they must avoid.

How's about that proof you owe me?"

A typical cheater's trick: snip it and pretend it wasn't there because
it can't be contested.
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You dont need someone to 'validate' that.

That's not true in the private sector,

Wrong again. Most obviously when someone else uses a worthwhile idea.

If someone else uses it, then you must admit that it has to be shared to be brought to fruition,

We werent discussing sharing, we were discussing whether
you need to turn it into a viable product that some corporate
chooses to buy to VALIDATE and idea. Of course you dont.

Once again, <YAWN> we weren't discussing validation of the
idea, we were discussing the feelings of validation experienced
by the originator of the idea when that idea was successfully
brought to fruition and appreciated by serious people.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Change the record, OK?
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and the validation occurs when it's proven to work.

Yep, unlike Larkin's silly claim about turning it into a viable product
yourself and getting a corporate interested in that product.

And even with someone else choosing to use an idea, only the pathetically
insecure need that to happen to 'validate' what is a useful idea. Its STILL a
useful idea even if you're the only one that ever gets to hear about it.

Larkin wasn't talking about that, he was talking about the
feeling of satisfaction (elation, even, if the path to the summit
is difficult) one feels when one's ideas are translated into
reality and they work and are acknowledged as being
worthwhile by people who know what they're talking about.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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Change the record, OK?
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More snippage subterfuge?

Change the record, OK?
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where sales are validation.

Only for narrow focused fools that are pathetically insecure.

I'd say that exactly the opposite is true,

Your problem.

In what respect?

Pathetic.

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Change the record, OK?
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considering the amount of effort and risk that's involved
in fleshing out an idea and bringing it to the marketplace.

It aint just about the marketplace. Plenty of the most
important ideas dont involve the marketplace at all.

Well, even your last cockamamie example about some
jihadope blowing himself to smithereens involved some
explosives, and where do you think they came from?

Who cares ?

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Law enforcement, for one.
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In some cases they make them themselves, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

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They still have to buy the ingredients, poopster.
---

Certainly not an exercise for the faint of heart,

Its got nothing to do with hearts.

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a set of which you seem to be a member.

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

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Change the record, OK?
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How do you feel about atheletes who want to win an Olympic Gold, or the Super Bowl?

I've always believed that all competitive sports were completely stupid.

Those who participate in them in spades.

And yet, here you are on USENET, running the race of your life
and trying to prove that you're right and everyone else is wrong.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys/pathetic excuse for a troll.

Hardly,

Fraid so.

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since you seem to be the one tugging on the hook.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

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Are they pathetically insecure?

Yep, in spades.

I think not.

Thats the only thing you did manage to get right. Nothing to 'think' with.

Well, that was marginally clever, for a change.

Unlike your juvenile shit.


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They have the balls to believe they're the best

Or are drugged to the gills to try to cheat the system.

You elieve that everyone is guilty until proven innocent, eh?

Nope.

Then why would you assume they're all "drugged to the gills" with no proof?

Never ever did anything of the sort, you pathetic excuse for a lying bullshit artist.

and aren't afraid to put it all on the line to prove it.

And you?

I piss on clowns like you from a great height.

Sounds like a mescaline induced hallucination to me.

You'd be the expert on those.

Yup, that's how I spotted it.

You get to like that or lump it, child.

Geez, Mommy, are those the only chices I'm allowed to have?

Yep, and if you dont like it, do the decent thing and hang yourself or sumfin.

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Well, this has gotten tedious what with all your dodging and
terminally boring, predictable entries, so I'm dislodging the hook and
letting you go back to your school of minnows.

Goodbye!

JF

 

[Bret Cahill]

Take a gander at the title of this thread.


Bret Cahill


"You are vexed therefore I am right about you."

-- Nietzsche

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Larkin:

"It's rewarding to have an idea, make it actually work, and sell
it to people who appreciate it. Call it insecurity, but seeing the
ideas out there working, for serious people, is awfully validating."

I have to say that (for example) when I see my high power audio amps sitting in an amp rack - at least 10 yrs old in my
local venue and still performing flawlesslessly day in, day out - it does give me some satisfaction.

Must check those PSU electros some day. They were well specced though.


Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
just the juvenile shit thats all it can ever manage.

That's pathetic. I passed your regards on to Bertei btw.

Graham

 

[John Fields]

On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:35:46 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Larkin:

"It's rewarding to have an idea, make it actually work, and sell
it to people who appreciate it. Call it insecurity, but seeing the
ideas out there working, for serious people, is awfully validating."

I have to say that (for example) when I see my high power audio amps sitting in an amp rack - at least 10 yrs old in my
local venue and still performing flawlesslessly day in, day out - it does give me some satisfaction.

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Indeed.

That's the validation JL was talking about, I think, and refers to the
joy one feels when one's ideas are translated into reality and perform
as predicted.

Newton must have felt it, dealing with translating the macroscopic
into the infinitesimal, and Feynman must have felt it also, dealing
with the truly microscopic.

And Einstein?

A genius bridge.
---

Must check those PSU electros some day. They were well specced though.

---
Maintenance = Don't fix what ain't broke unless you want to make sure
it won't break...

JF

 

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
John Fields wrote

"It's rewarding to have an idea, make it actually work, and sell
it to people who appreciate it. Call it insecurity, but seeing the
ideas out there working, for serious people, is awfully validating."

I have to say that (for example) when I see my high power audio amps
sitting in an amp rack - at least 10 yrs old in my local venue and still
performing flawlesslessly day in, day out - it does give me some satisfaction.

Thats not an idea, thats just routine engineering.

You haven't a clue what you're talking about. The designs were totally original,
although obviously drawing on some aspects of prior art.

I'd like to see YOU design one ready for production in the tens of thousands !

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
John Fields wrote

"It's rewarding to have an idea, make it actually work, and sell
it to people who appreciate it. Call it insecurity, but seeing the
ideas out there working, for serious people, is awfully validating."

I have to say that (for example) when I see my high power audio amps
sitting in an amp rack - at least 10 yrs old in my local venue and still performing
flawlesslessly day in, day out - it does give me some satisfaction.

Thats not an idea, thats just routine engineering.

You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Guess which pathetic little prat has just got egg all over its pathetic little face, yet again ?

No prized for the answer.

The designs were totally original,

Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

Until not long ago the schematics were online.

although obviously drawing on some aspects of prior art.

Funny that. So nothing like 'totally original' in fact.

NOTHING is TOTALLY original.

I'd like to see YOU design one ready for production in the tens of thousands !

Routine engineering, stupid.

Clearly you're no engineer.

Graham

 

[terryc]

On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:19:39 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

You three clowns in spades.

Oh dear that actually made me laugh out loud.

A brainless jerk insults 3 engineers whose products have sold in the (most likely tens
of ) thousands

If it is the roddles I met, then he was definitely a theory boy. Glorified
storeman at best.