Who is Guy Macon ?

[keith]

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:11:48 +0100, Pooh Bear wrote:

Keith Williams wrote:

In article <11bohcp6kkb5k77@corp.supernews.com>, Gee Maçon_
"http://www.GeeMaçon.com/"> says...

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Jim Thompson wrote:

Gee Maçon doesn't seem to remember that I PLONKED him.

I *had* forgotten that. So much about Jim Thompson is forgettable...

while I still remember; *plonk*


another one rides the bus.
another one rides the bus.

--
Keith

Were you thinking of certain well-known song by Queen there by any chance ?

....as told by Wierd Al Yankovic ;-)


Ridin' in a bus down the boulevard
And the place was pretty packed
Couldn't find a seat so I had to stand
With the perverts in the back
It was smellin' like a locker room
There was junk all over the floor
We're already packed in like sardines
But we're stoppin' to pick up more
Look out

Another one rides the bus
Another one rides the bus
And another comes on
And another comes on
Another one rides the bus
Hey
He's gonna sit by you
Another one rides the bus

There's a suitcase pokin' me in the ribs
There's an elbow in my ear
There's a smelly old bum standin' next to me
Hasn't showered in a year
Well, I think I'm missin' a contact lens
I think my wallet's gone
And I think this bus is stoppin' again
To let a couple more freaks get on
Look out

Another one rides the bus
Another one rides the bus
And another comes on
And another comes on
Another one rides the bus
Hey
He's gonna sit by you
Another one rides the bus

Yeah

Another one rides the bus
Another one rides the bus, ow
Another one rides the bus, hey, hey
Another one rides the bus, hey

The window doesn't open, and the fan is broke
And my face is turnin' blue
I haven't been in a crowd like this
Since I went to see The Who
Well, I should've got off a couple miles ago
But I couldn't get to the door
There isn't any room for me to breathe
Now we're gonna pick up more, yeah

Another one rides the bus
Another one rides the bus
And another comes on
And another comes on
Another one rides the bus
Hey
He's gonna sit by you
Another one rides the bus

No
No
Huh?
Yeah
Yeah

--
Keith

 

[keith]

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 04:12:50 +0000, Gee Maçon wrote:

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Pig Bladder wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Gee Maçon doesn't seem to remember that I PLONKED him.

Who cares? You plonk _everybody_ that you don't like.

Ho, Hum

I, on the other hand, plonk those who are boring, whether or
not I happen to dislike them.

Those who correct you are defined as boring. Got it!

--
Keith

 

[Gee Maçon]

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keith wrote:

Gee Maçon wrote:

Pig Bladder wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Gee Maçon doesn't seem to remember that I PLONKED him.

Who cares? You plonk _everybody_ that you don't like.

Ho, Hum

I, on the other hand, plonk those who are boring, whether or
not I happen to dislike them.

Those who correct you are defined as boring. Got it!

Not true. Those who correct me are the most valuable of all.
Those who attempt to correct me but are wrong don't get plonked
unless they become boring by, for example, repeating the same
argument again and again, ignoring repeated respionses to it.
Those who post personal attacks rather than rational arguments
are the most boring of all, and I plonk them even if they agree
with me and are attacking someone else. It's a simple matter of
time management; years of experience have shown me that those who
engage in flaming almost never have anything interesting to say.

 

[keith]

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:50:46 +0000, Gee Maçon wrote:

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keith wrote:

Gee Maçon wrote:

Pig Bladder wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Gee Maçon doesn't seem to remember that I PLONKED him.

Who cares? You plonk _everybody_ that you don't like.

Ho, Hum

I, on the other hand, plonk those who are boring, whether or
not I happen to dislike them.

Those who correct you are defined as boring. Got it!

Not true. Those who correct me are the most valuable of all.

No, you turn your head, plug your ears, and start screaming. You don't
even read what people are telling you.

Those who attempt to correct me but are wrong don't get plonked
unless they become boring by, for example, repeating the same
argument again and again, ignoring repeated respionses to it.

Perhaps it is you who is wrong?

Those who post personal attacks rather than rational arguments
are the most boring of all, and I plonk them even if they agree
with me and are attacking someone else. It's a simple matter of
time management; years of experience have shown me that those who
engage in flaming almost never have anything interesting to say.

Is that why you set followups to dev.null and change you nym to skirt
kill-files? Face it, these are the tactics of children.

--
Keith

 

[Guy Macoon]

Gee Maçon wrote:

It's a simple matter of
time management; years of experience have shown me that those who
engage in flaming almost never have anything interesting to say.

Haven't done a very good job of managing yourself then, have you idiot?
You are a very dull little dictatorial technician type with a big
inferiority complex. Accept it, you are inferior, be humble.

 

[Gee Maçon]

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keith wrote:

Gee Maçon wrote:

keith wrote:

Gee Maçon wrote:

I, on the other hand, plonk those who are boring, whether or
not I happen to dislike them.

Those who correct you are defined as boring. Got it!

Not true. Those who correct me are the most valuable of all.

You don't even read what people are telling you.

Yes I do. It's just that I don't consider namecalling and
accusations to be convincing arguments, and I tend to ignore
the rest of any post that contains namecalling and accusations,
based on long experience of such posts rarely having any actual
content.

Those who attempt to correct me but are wrong don't get plonked
unless they become boring by, for example, repeating the same
argument again and again, ignoring repeated responses to it.

Perhaps it is you who is wrong?

Perhaps, but repeating the same argument again and again and
ignoring repeated responses to it is an ineffective way to prove
it. You might try reasoning and evidence; I predict better results.

Those who post personal attacks rather than rational arguments
are the most boring of all, and I plonk them even if they agree
with me and are attacking someone else. It's a simple matter of
time management; years of experience have shown me that those who
engage in flaming almost never have anything interesting to say.

[...]these are the tactics of children.

Case in point. Another post or two from you that contains personal
attacks rather than rational arguments will result in you being
killfiled for being boring. Please note that personal attacks are
boring whether they are true or false.



--

"Usenet being what it is, if you participate in newsgroups
at all over a period if time you have the possibility of
attracting your own personal lunatic, who considers any
disagreement a personal affront, and considers it their
duty and obligation to "expose" the person they fixate on.
It's kind of pathetic, but they can't quite seem to figure
out why no one else sees their actions as heroic."
-Richard Ward

 

[Guy Macoon]

Gee Maçon wrote:

You don't even read what people are telling you.


Yes I do. It's just that I don't consider namecalling and
accusations to be convincing arguments,

Who says "namecalling" is an argument? Sounds more like an observation,
and who cares whether you are convinced or not?

and I tend to ignore
the rest of any post that contains namecalling and accusations,
based on long experience of such posts rarely having any actual
content.

Nah, you are an obtuse narcissist who refuses to acknowledge a reality
that does not include you on a pedestal its center. But you are right
about content, any discussion about you will have no "actual content" by
definition.

 

[Richard Henry]

"Gee Maçon" <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote in message
news:11btmns6vbtia30@corp.supernews.com...

keith wrote:

Gee Maçon wrote:

Those who post personal attacks rather than rational arguments
are the most boring of all, and I plonk them even if they agree
with me and are attacking someone else. It's a simple matter of
time management; years of experience have shown me that those who
engage in flaming almost never have anything interesting to say.

[...]these are the tactics of children.

<snip restored - "Is that why you set followups to dev.null and change you
nym to skirt
kill-files? Face it,...">

Case in point. Another post or two from you that contains personal
attacks rather than rational arguments will result in you being
killfiled for being boring. Please note that personal attacks are
boring whether they are true or false.

Are you saying that pointing out the irritating habits a poster practices is
a "personal attack"?

 

[Gee Maçon]

Richard Henry wrote:

Are you saying that pointing out the irritating habits a poster
practices is a "personal attack"?

Yes.

There is a way to influence what gets discussed in a newsgroup that
works well, and another way that has never worked no matter how many
people have tried it.

What works: Post articles on the topic you wish to see discussed,
and participate in the resulting discussion. Use killfiles and
filters so that you don't see the articles that you dislike.
If you don't know how to use a killfile, use good old fashioned
discipline and don't read the articles that you dislike. Never,
ever respond to articles that you dislike.

What doesn't work: Respond to articles that you dislike, complain
about articles that you dislike, complain about posters that you
dislike, complain about how terrible everyone else is for not posting
what you want them to post. Talk about how to respond to articles
that you dislike. Make the articles that you dislike the center of
attention, the main topic of discussion, and a personal crusade.


--
"The most hostile group was the one with high but unstable self
esteem. These people think well of themselves in general, but their
self-esteem fluctuates. They are especially prone to react
defensively to ego threats, and they are also more prone to hostility,
anger and aggression than other people.

"These findings shed considerable light on the psychology of the
bully. Hostile people do not have low self esteem; on the contrary,
they think highly of themselves, But their favorable view of
themselves is not held with total conviction, and it goes up and down
in response to daily events. The bully has a chip on his shoulder
because he thinks you might want to deflate his favorable self image."

-Roy F. Baumeister, _Evil: Inside
Human Violence and Cruelty_ p 149

 

[Pooh Bear]

Guy Macoon wrote:

Gee Maçon wrote:
It's a simple matter of
time management; years of experience have shown me that those who
engage in flaming almost never have anything interesting to say.

Haven't done a very good job of managing yourself then, have you idiot?
You are a very dull little dictatorial technician type with a big
inferiority complex. Accept it, you are inferior, be humble.

Actually he reminds me exactly of the tech type who 'winged it' upwards
without really learning too much en-route. I know another one like that
only too well. About a month ago we were discussing mp3 compression for
audio and he said that the latest mp3 compression provided better than CD
quality !

I had to explain to him that CD's data rate is just over 1.4 Mbits/sec
whilst a 320kbits/sec mp3 was still indeed a very poor second.

Quite simply he didn't have the brains to work it out for himself before
making such a dumb assertion.

We see this also with Geeh Massonne.

Graham

 

[martin griffith]

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:59:48 +0100, in sci.electronics.design Pooh
Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Guy Macoon wrote:

Gee Maçon wrote:
It's a simple matter of
time management; years of experience have shown me that those who
engage in flaming almost never have anything interesting to say.

Haven't done a very good job of managing yourself then, have you idiot?
You are a very dull little dictatorial technician type with a big
inferiority complex. Accept it, you are inferior, be humble.

Actually he reminds me exactly of the tech type who 'winged it' upwards
without really learning too much en-route. I know another one like that
only too well. About a month ago we were discussing mp3 compression for
audio and he said that the latest mp3 compression provided better than CD
quality !

I had to explain to him that CD's data rate is just over 1.4 Mbits/sec
whilst a 320kbits/sec mp3 was still indeed a very poor second.

Quite simply he didn't have the brains to work it out for himself before
making such a dumb assertion.

We see this also with Geeh Massonne.

Graham

prefer ghee myself, done properly, with a bit of culinary advice from

Genome esq, most excellent indeed


martin

 

[Pooh Bear]

martin griffith wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:59:48 +0100, in sci.electronics.design Pooh
Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Guy Macoon wrote:

Gee Maçon wrote:
It's a simple matter of
time management; years of experience have shown me that those who
engage in flaming almost never have anything interesting to say.

Haven't done a very good job of managing yourself then, have you idiot?
You are a very dull little dictatorial technician type with a big
inferiority complex. Accept it, you are inferior, be humble.

Actually he reminds me exactly of the tech type who 'winged it' upwards
without really learning too much en-route. I know another one like that
only too well. About a month ago we were discussing mp3 compression for
audio and he said that the latest mp3 compression provided better than CD
quality !

I had to explain to him that CD's data rate is just over 1.4 Mbits/sec
whilst a 320kbits/sec mp3 was still indeed a very poor second.

Quite simply he didn't have the brains to work it out for himself before
making such a dumb assertion.

We see this also with Geeh Massonne.

Graham

prefer ghee myself, done properly, with a bit of culinary advice from
Genome esq, most excellent indeed

Oh bum, that's how I meant to spell it !

Whoever thought that a discussion about clarified butter would come into this
ng ?

Thanks for your correction ! I'll do better next time ! ;-)

Graham

 

[Richard Henry]

"Gee Maçon" <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote in message
news:11btqt6rjp1nh95@corp.supernews.com...

Richard Henry wrote:

Are you saying that pointing out the irritating habits a poster
practices is a "personal attack"?

Yes.

There is a way to influence what gets discussed in a newsgroup that
works well, and another way that has never worked no matter how many
people have tried it.

What works: Post articles on the topic you wish to see discussed,
and participate in the resulting discussion. Use killfiles and
filters so that you don't see the articles that you dislike.
If you don't know how to use a killfile, use good old fashioned
discipline and don't read the articles that you dislike. Never,
ever respond to articles that you dislike.

What doesn't work: Respond to articles that you dislike, complain
about articles that you dislike, complain about posters that you
dislike, complain about how terrible everyone else is for not posting
what you want them to post. Talk about how to respond to articles
that you dislike. Make the articles that you dislike the center of
attention, the main topic of discussion, and a personal crusade.

So you feel free to misdirect followups to alt.dev.null (it's good for us),
false-plonk (don't deny it), and call people trolls, but you can't take it
when you get it back?

 

[Richard Henry]

"Gee Maçon" <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote in message
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Richard Henry wrote:

So you [various accusations, roughly half of which are accurate]

Which are inaccurate?

 

[Gee Maçon]

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Richard Henry wrote:

Gee Maçon wrote...

Richard Henry wrote:

So you [various accusations, roughly half of which are accurate]

Which are inaccurate?

May I assume that if I answer that you will answer the question
I asked ("Have you ever considered posting something related to
electronics design?")?

"So you feel free to misdirect followups to alt.dev.null
(it's good for us),"

Accurate on both counts. Well, almost; replace "misdirect" with
"direct". "Misdirect" assumes that it's wrong, which is begging
the question.

I feel free to put *anything at all* in my posts. You should also
feel free free to put anything at all in your posts. I haven't
noticed you asking me to control what you do, and I never asked you
to control what I do. This freedom comes with a price; others are
free to reply any way that they choose, including personal attacks
and good old fashioned ignoring, with or without automated help.

It *is* good for you. Being responsible for your own actions is
good for you. Letting other people control you is bad for you.
You have freely chosen to use a brain-dead buggy pile-of-crap
newsreader that blindly sends your posts to wherever the post
you replied to went. Don't blame me for your bad decisions.

"false-plonk (don't deny it)"

I deny it. There are occasions when I re-install the software to
my Windows box, and a couple of times I have had to go back to a
previous killfile, but I assure you that when I write *plonk* I
set my killfile at that moment, and from then on I no longer see
any posts from that person. I also send a note to myself to update
my Linux and QNX boxes. It is a common conceit among trolls and
flamers to think that they are so very important that nobody could
possibly decide to ignore them. Check Google and you will see that
I do ignore those who I plonk (I have no choice; I can't see what
they post) with an occasional but rare case where Windows hoses my
configuration and I lose a few trolls out of the bozo bin.

By the way, do you have a source for your unwarranted assumption that
all plonks must be permanent? Who told you that? My windows box has
a fairly simple killfile - just regular expressions on body and/or
headers that trigger making the post never display as if it never
happened, but my Linux box allows me to set timed plonks, and on occasion
I set a one year expiration. Are those plonks somehow false? Who says
so? Also, I can and do use a scoring system on my Linux box rather than
a straight killfile, which doesn't fit your artificial true/false binary
classification scheme.

"and call people trolls"

Accurate. Accurate in the sense that I call some people trolls
and accurate in the sense that some people really are trolls.

"...but you can't take it when you get it back?"

Inaccurate. I killfile those who bore me, and reserve that right to
killfile for any other reason or for no reason at all, but I have
no complaints at all if someone killfiles me for whatever reason.

There. Honest answers to your questions. Now back to my question;
Have you ever considered posting something related to electronics
design? As fascinating as the contents of my killfile seem to be
to you, have you considered the possibility that few others share
your interest?

My unsolicited advice to you (which you are, of course, free to
ignore) is to take care that you don't become the person described
in the following quote:

"Usenet being what it is, if you participate in newsgroups
at all over a period if time you have the possibility of
attracting your own personal lunatic, who considers any
disagreement a personal affront, and considers it their
duty and obligation to "expose" the person they fixate on.
It's kind of pathetic, but they can't quite seem to figure
out why no one else sees their actions as heroic."
-Richard Ward

 

[Richard Henry]

"Gee Maçon" <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote in message
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Richard Henry wrote:

Gee Maçon wrote...

Richard Henry wrote:

So you [various accusations, roughly half of which are accurate]

Which are inaccurate?

May I assume that if I answer that you will answer the question
I asked ("Have you ever considered posting something related to
electronics design?")?

Assume whatever you wish.

"So you feel free to misdirect followups to alt.dev.null
(it's good for us),"

Accurate on both counts. Well, almost; replace "misdirect" with
"direct". "Misdirect" assumes that it's wrong, which is begging
the question.

Whether or not that is a misdirection depends on your point of view.

I feel free to put *anything at all* in my posts. You should also
feel free free to put anything at all in your posts. I haven't
noticed you asking me to control what you do, and I never asked you
to control what I do. This freedom comes with a price; others are
free to reply any way that they choose, including personal attacks
and good old fashioned ignoring, with or without automated help.

It *is* good for you. Being responsible for your own actions is
good for you. Letting other people control you is bad for you.
You have freely chosen to use a brain-dead buggy pile-of-crap
newsreader that blindly sends your posts to wherever the post
you replied to went. Don't blame me for your bad decisions.

OOH! Insult Microsoft. I'm so offended.

"false-plonk (don't deny it)"

I deny it. There are occasions when I re-install the software to
my Windows box, and a couple of times I have had to go back to a
previous killfile, but I assure you that when I write *plonk* I
set my killfile at that moment, and from then on I no longer see
any posts from that person. I also send a note to myself to update
my Linux and QNX boxes. It is a common conceit among trolls and
flamers to think that they are so very important that nobody could
possibly decide to ignore them. Check Google and you will see that
I do ignore those who I plonk (I have no choice; I can't see what
they post) with an occasional but rare case where Windows hoses my
configuration and I lose a few trolls out of the bozo bin.

By the way, do you have a source for your unwarranted assumption that
all plonks must be permanent? Who told you that? My windows box has
a fairly simple killfile - just regular expressions on body and/or
headers that trigger making the post never display as if it never
happened, but my Linux box allows me to set timed plonks, and on occasion
I set a one year expiration. Are those plonks somehow false? Who says
so? Also, I can and do use a scoring system on my Linux box rather than
a straight killfile, which doesn't fit your artificial true/false binary
classification scheme.

Since you have redefined "plonk" to mean whatever is convenient to you, I
withdraw the comment.

"and call people trolls"

Accurate. Accurate in the sense that I call some people trolls
and accurate in the sense that some people really are trolls.

"...but you can't take it when you get it back?"

Inaccurate. I killfile those who bore me, and reserve that right to
killfile for any other reason or for no reason at all, but I have
no complaints at all if someone killfiles me for whatever reason.

I don't think that response is on point to my comment.

There. Honest answers to your questions. Now back to my question;
Have you ever considered posting something related to electronics
design? As fascinating as the contents of my killfile seem to be
to you, have you considered the possibility that few others share
your interest?

Then I hope they ignore me.

My unsolicited advice to you (which you are, of course, free to
ignore) is to take care that you don't become the person described
in the following quote:

"Usenet being what it is, if you participate in newsgroups
at all over a period if time you have the possibility of
attracting your own personal lunatic, who considers any
disagreement a personal affront, and considers it their
duty and obligation to "expose" the person they fixate on.
It's kind of pathetic, but they can't quite seem to figure
out why no one else sees their actions as heroic."
-Richard Ward

How many times have you posted this quotation?