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KoRRupT_1

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Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide which brand of whitegoods (fridge and front loader
washing machine) to buy based on their reliability and quality.

I like the design of the Fisher & Paykel refrigerator (E522BRX) and a
Whirlpool 7K front loader washing machine, but want your opinion first...

How reliable are the Fisher & Paykel and Whirlpool brand compared to the
others (LG, Hoover, Westinghouse, etc...)

What brand has the best and worse reputations?

Is it true that you get what you pay for?

TIA!
 
"KoRRupT_1" <khoadu AT hot mail d-o-t com> wrote in
news:41295501$1@duster.adelaide.on.net:

Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide which brand of whitegoods (fridge and front
loader washing machine) to buy based on their reliability and quality.

I like the design of the Fisher & Paykel refrigerator (E522BRX) and a
Whirlpool 7K front loader washing machine, but want your opinion
first...

How reliable are the Fisher & Paykel and Whirlpool brand compared to
the others (LG, Hoover, Westinghouse, etc...)

What brand has the best and worse reputations?

Is it true that you get what you pay for?

TIA!
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I have an Asko 10505, around $1300 5 years ago. Pump has failed, under
warranty but they admitted it was not a good impeller design wrt
obstructions.

Motor brushes wore out in 2 years. Service guy said there must be
something wrong with the brushes, he's "never seen that happen before".

I replaced the brushes myself and they were $70! Motor burnt out a year
later.

I noticed broken stator wires near termination to commutator. "Never
seen that before" said a different service guy.

Sheesh I must be bloody unlucky! Mind you the old Simson toploader only
lasted 7 years, though it did shit loads of nappies.
 
"KoRRupT_1" <khoadu AT hot mail d-o-t com> wrote:

Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide which brand of whitegoods (fridge and front loader
washing machine) to buy based on their reliability and quality.

I like the design of the Fisher & Paykel refrigerator (E522BRX) and a
Whirlpool 7K front loader washing machine, but want your opinion first...

How reliable are the Fisher & Paykel and Whirlpool brand compared to the
others (LG, Hoover, Westinghouse, etc...)

What brand has the best and worse reputations?

Is it true that you get what you pay for?

TIA!
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One test for fridges is to close the door on your shoe and
then try to close the door with the offending foot out of the way:
if it's poorly built the door will stay bent and not close at the
bottom. Just make sure the salesman isn't looking when you try this.

Mark H
 
We run the 7.5 kg LG washer ( fl) , 557 liter fridge and a westinghouse
210 box freezer , had F+P for 20 years but the new f+p is made in
Brisbane .. :_)
so we went to LG , some will claim its crap but Ive always had good
product... if you can afford buy asco or melei washer in front loader ,

KoRRupT_1 wrote:
Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide which brand of whitegoods (fridge and front loader
washing machine) to buy based on their reliability and quality.

I like the design of the Fisher & Paykel refrigerator (E522BRX) and a
Whirlpool 7K front loader washing machine, but want your opinion first...

How reliable are the Fisher & Paykel and Whirlpool brand compared to the
others (LG, Hoover, Westinghouse, etc...)

What brand has the best and worse reputations?

Is it true that you get what you pay for?

TIA!
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:20:09 GMT, Geoff C <notinterestedin@spa.comm> wrote:

I have an Asko 10505, around $1300 5 years ago. Pump has failed, under
warranty but they admitted it was not a good impeller design wrt
obstructions.

Motor brushes wore out in 2 years. Service guy said there must be
something wrong with the brushes, he's "never seen that happen before".
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Bet they say that to all their customers.

I replaced the brushes myself and they were $70! Motor burnt out a year
later.

I noticed broken stator wires near termination to commutator. "Never
seen that before" said a different service guy.
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Bet they say that to all their customers.

Sheesh I must be bloody unlucky! Mind you the old Simson toploader only
lasted 7 years, though it did shit loads of nappies.
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What a turn of phrase. Love it!
 
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:52:33 +0930, "KoRRupT_1" <khoadu AT hot mail
d-o-t com> wrote:

Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide which brand of whitegoods (fridge and front loader
washing machine) to buy based on their reliability and quality.

I like the design of the Fisher & Paykel refrigerator (E522BRX) and a
Whirlpool 7K front loader washing machine, but want your opinion first...

Asked this a while back on here when I went to replace my dead F&P
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washer. Got no advice as I recall from the group, (many who in
threads at that same time had done massive bashing of F&P but
seemingly couldn't be bothered to suggest better).

I ended up buying a Bosch Maxx 800 Front loader for around $1000AU and
have been very pleased with it.

4 star rating, uses bugger all water too which is another good point,
as well as getting a MUCH cleaner wash (in my opinion) than the old
F&P upright smart drive.

About the only downsides are

1> that it takes significantly longer for the wash cycle but you can
reduce it by setting the "quick wash" option. Im usually not in a
hurry however so I tend to just let the machine do the full cycle as
intended.

2>there isn't any "progress" indicator to show how far through the
cycle(s) it is. I have noticed since buying it however that there are
some more "up market" models of this washer with many more features
though and this may be one of them ?

How reliable are the Fisher & Paykel and Whirlpool brand compared to the
others (LG, Hoover, Westinghouse, etc...)
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Westinghouse is supposed to be one of the better brands in locally
available mass market fridges. (though I have no idea how they compare
to the more up-market european brands).



What brand has the best and worse reputations?

Is it true that you get what you pay for?

TIA!
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KLR wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:52:33 +0930, "KoRRupT_1" <khoadu AT hot mail
d-o-t com> wrote:

Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide which brand of whitegoods (fridge and front loader
washing machine) to buy based on their reliability and quality.

I like the design of the Fisher & Paykel refrigerator (E522BRX) and a
Whirlpool 7K front loader washing machine, but want your opinion first...

Asked this a while back on here when I went to replace my dead F&P
washer. Got no advice as I recall from the group, (many who in
threads at that same time had done massive bashing of F&P but
seemingly couldn't be bothered to suggest better).

I ended up buying a Bosch Maxx 800 Front loader for around $1000AU and
have been very pleased with it.

4 star rating, uses bugger all water too which is another good point,
as well as getting a MUCH cleaner wash (in my opinion) than the old
F&P upright smart drive.

About the only downsides are

1> that it takes significantly longer for the wash cycle but you can
reduce it by setting the "quick wash" option. Im usually not in a
hurry however so I tend to just let the machine do the full cycle as
intended.
however its much better at washing as you have discovered

2>there isn't any "progress" indicator to show how far through the
cycle(s) it is. I have noticed since buying it however that there are
some more "up market" models of this washer with many more features
though and this may be one of them ?
yup

How reliable are the Fisher & Paykel and Whirlpool brand compared to the
others (LG, Hoover, Westinghouse, etc...)


Westinghouse is supposed to be one of the better brands in locally
available mass market fridges. (though I have no idea how they compare
to the more up-market european brands).
many of the Westinghouse fridges are LG , and some of the washers ...

What brand has the best and worse reputations?

Is it true that you get what you pay for?

TIA!
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KoRRupT_1 wrote:
Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide which brand of whitegoods (fridge and front loader
washing machine) to buy based on their reliability and quality.

I like the design of the Fisher & Paykel refrigerator (E522BRX) and a
Whirlpool 7K front loader washing machine, but want your opinion first...

How reliable are the Fisher & Paykel and Whirlpool brand compared to the
others (LG, Hoover, Westinghouse, etc...)

What brand has the best and worse reputations?

Is it true that you get what you pay for?

TIA!





My girl friend bought a F&P Washing Machine, recently. It only has 2
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design faults. In spin cycle it sounds like a Martian spaceship taking
off, it doesn't have the old Hoover sand in the bottom of the tub
counter balance mechanism so if it is out of balance it travels across
her tiled floor. My 20 year old Hoover was a gift from a friend and
still runs wonderfully. One good thing I will say about it is that it is
very quiet in the wash cycle unlike the Hoover. Another friend bought an
F&P and has had nothing but trouble with it as well as plenty of expense
as its faults have gone past the warranty period. All in all best not to
buy an F&P.

Andrew
 
"KoRRupT_1" <khoadu AT hot mail d-o-t com> wrote in message
news:41295501$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide which brand of whitegoods (fridge and front loader
washing machine) to buy based on their reliability and quality.

I like the design of the Fisher & Paykel refrigerator (E522BRX) and a
Whirlpool 7K front loader washing machine, but want your opinion first...

How reliable are the Fisher & Paykel and Whirlpool brand compared to the
others (LG, Hoover, Westinghouse, etc...)

What brand has the best and worse reputations?

Is it true that you get what you pay for?

TIA!
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thanks for the comments so far guys... it's been some kind of help....

In terms of reliability... where would the F&P stand on the ladder? From
what I can gather it's more towards the end of the ladder??
 
KoRRupT_1 wrote:
"KoRRupT_1" <khoadu AT hot mail d-o-t com> wrote in message
news:41295501$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide which brand of whitegoods (fridge and front loader
washing machine) to buy based on their reliability and quality.

I like the design of the Fisher & Paykel refrigerator (E522BRX) and a
Whirlpool 7K front loader washing machine, but want your opinion first...

How reliable are the Fisher & Paykel and Whirlpool brand compared to the
others (LG, Hoover, Westinghouse, etc...)

What brand has the best and worse reputations?

Is it true that you get what you pay for?

TIA!


thanks for the comments so far guys... it's been some kind of help....

In terms of reliability... where would the F&P stand on the ladder? From
what I can gather it's more towards the end of the ladder??
walk into say clive peeters and check the number of seconds.... f+p is
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a common second .. very very few lp or other similar brands..
seconds are repairs mostly of field failures

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I have found USA and Canadian made GE are good and last almost
forever. I have one that is 26 years old and still going
strong. I bought a second one when I had a minor part go (rubber
gasket seal) and had to wait for a part from the US (I have
since found both a local supplier
http://www.stokes-aus.com.au/Content/templates/stokesap_catalogues_detail.asp?articleid=17&zoneid=10
with good parts stocks and internet suppliers that are cheaper).
Both are still going strong.

They are commercial quality, take are huge load and, as they are
designed to be built into US homes (they stay when you sell your
house), they are made to last. The have also had very little
change in their fundlemental mechanical parts over the last 30
years (the switchgear and electronics has changed to make them
look more modern).

A few websites suggest the North American Maytag of similar
design is even more reliable. Both the Maytag and GE are
somewhat expensive over here in Oz, but as someone said you get
what you pay for.

The other good thing with these North American machines is you
can actually get both a good quality factory and a good after
market (Cheap and Easy Washer Repairs Series) service manuals
for them cheaply from places like:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/a-1appliance/repairmanuals.html -
Not that you will often need one. In the 25 years I had mine I
had to replace one upper seal (Top Tub Gasket), one lower bowl
seal (Boot Seal) and the inlet solenoids. Some GEs are also
rebadged and sold as either Whirlpools or Westinghouses in
Australia (can't remember which but they are made in North
America and look just like a GE).

My 1st job on leaving school was working for a Hoover service
company and one thing I learnt and still practice is that if you
don't want the washer to rust away as a result of exposure to
laundry powders and bleach, spray the inside walls of the
cabinet with odourless fish oil when they are first purchased.
It is worth the effort whatever brand you buy if it has a metal
cabinet as laundry bleaches and powders are good at getting
metals to rust.
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Regards
Blue

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PS> I understand that if you are a do it yourselfer F&P parts
can be hard to get and only available to approved service agents
(ask and see; I may be wrong) but that an aftermarket not OEM
market now exists; i.e you can now buy non F&P parts to fit your
F&P. I also understand that the USA made GE fridges are built
like their washers but I have never been able to afford one.
Although I do have a workmate with an original 25 year old GE
Americana that has never given him a problem. But then again my
old Malleys Whirlpool of similar vintage is also still going.
(if no longer on the market).

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Regards
Blue

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:52:33 +0930, "KoRRupT_1" <khoadu AT hot mail
d-o-t com> wrote:

|Hey guys,
|
|I'm trying to decide which brand of whitegoods (fridge and front loader
|washing machine) to buy based on their reliability and quality.
|
|I like the design of the Fisher & Paykel refrigerator (E522BRX) and a
|Whirlpool 7K front loader washing machine, but want your opinion first...
|
|How reliable are the Fisher & Paykel and Whirlpool brand compared to the
|others (LG, Hoover, Westinghouse, etc...)
|
|What brand has the best and worse reputations?
|
|Is it true that you get what you pay for?
|
|TIA!

My experience with washing machines is that the expensive european
brands, while good, are often not backed up with good service. And
when they are it is expensive. I have owned a Hitachi top loader for
about 15 years and it hasn't even looked like failing apart from one
minor problem. The lid interlock spin switch activator tab broke off
but this was easily fixed by forming a new tab with Selleys knead-it.

I can thoroughly recommend Hitachi washers for both reliability and
service.
http://www.hitachi.com.au/hitachi/content/template_product_index.asp?ID=126
 
"KoRRupT_1" <khoadu AT hot mail d-o-t com> wrote in news:41295501$1
@duster.adelaide.on.net:

Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide which brand of whitegoods (fridge and front loader
washing machine) to buy based on their reliability and quality.

I like the design of the Fisher & Paykel refrigerator (E522BRX) and a
Whirlpool 7K front loader washing machine, but want your opinion first...

How reliable are the Fisher & Paykel and Whirlpool brand compared to the
others (LG, Hoover, Westinghouse, etc...)

What brand has the best and worse reputations?

Is it true that you get what you pay for?
Click to expand...


You may be interested to have an idea of the profit margin of the major
retailers. I bought an Asian brand fridge from Myer Megamart for $1849.
Inadvertently, the wholesaler sent the invoice to my address rather than
Myer's. The price to Myer's was $1479.
 
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:34:53 GMT, Ross Herbert
<rherber1SPAMEX@bigpond.net.au> wrote:


My experience with washing machines is that the expensive european
brands, while good, are often not backed up with good service. And
when they are it is expensive. I have owned a Hitachi top loader for
about 15 years and it hasn't even looked like failing apart from one
minor problem. The lid interlock spin switch activator tab broke off
but this was easily fixed by forming a new tab with Selleys knead-it.

I can thoroughly recommend Hitachi washers for both reliability and
service.
http://www.hitachi.com.au/hitachi/content/template_product_index.asp?ID=126
Click to expand...

Hmm... Interesting

I too have had a Hitachi toploader for around 10 years. After about 4
years the main bearing went owing to a faulty seal which leaked water
all over it. Since this was replaced, it has gone well until a few
weeks ago when the interlock switch tab failed ! At the moment it is
glued back & seems to be holding. I priced a replacement lid from the
agents - $57.75 !! If the glue fails I will simply by-pass the switch.

Dave
 
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:32:46 GMT, Dave <daveg50_8@NotCoolMail.invalid>
wrote:

|On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:34:53 GMT, Ross Herbert
|<rherber1SPAMEX@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
|
|
|>
|>My experience with washing machines is that the expensive european
|>brands, while good, are often not backed up with good service. And
|>when they are it is expensive. I have owned a Hitachi top loader for
|>about 15 years and it hasn't even looked like failing apart from one
|>minor problem. The lid interlock spin switch activator tab broke off
|>but this was easily fixed by forming a new tab with Selleys knead-it.
|>
|>I can thoroughly recommend Hitachi washers for both reliability and
|>service.
|>http://www.hitachi.com.au/hitachi/content/template_product_index.asp?ID=126
|
|
|Hmm... Interesting
|
|I too have had a Hitachi toploader for around 10 years. After about 4
|years the main bearing went owing to a faulty seal which leaked water
|all over it. Since this was replaced, it has gone well until a few
|weeks ago when the interlock switch tab failed ! At the moment it is
|glued back & seems to be holding. I priced a replacement lid from the
|agents - $57.75 !! If the glue fails I will simply by-pass the switch.
|
|Dave


Dave,

Actually my machine was bought as a "GE Microprocessor 700T" but it
was simply a rebadged Hitachi.That's how old it is because GE brand
hasn't been around for a long while now. When I bought it it was
around $800 so it wasn't a cheapie.

I originally glued the tab back on as well but it fell off in a few
months. Selleys knead it was the go if you don't mind a bit of filing
to shape afterwards.

Ross H
 
"Geoff C" <notinterestedin@spa.comm> wrote in message
news:cOPWc.26294$%r.298490@nasal.pacific.net.au...
You may be interested to have an idea of the profit margin of the major
retailers. I bought an Asian brand fridge from Myer Megamart for $1849.
Inadvertently, the wholesaler sent the invoice to my address rather than
Myer's. The price to Myer's was $1479.
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I was quoted $2099 for a F&P fridge from Myers. Went to an electrical shop
(The Good Guys in Adelaide) and for the same model, I was quoted $1775 with
free delivery and hold the item for 3 months until my house is ready..

Seriously, who buys whitegoods from Myers anyway?
 
"KoRRupT_1" <khoadu AT hot mail d-o-t com> wrote in
news:412bfa9d$1@duster.adelaide.on.net:

"Geoff C" <notinterestedin@spa.comm> wrote in message
news:cOPWc.26294$%r.298490@nasal.pacific.net.au...
You may be interested to have an idea of the profit margin of the
major retailers. I bought an Asian brand fridge from Myer Megamart
for $1849. Inadvertently, the wholesaler sent the invoice to my
address rather than Myer's. The price to Myer's was $1479.


I was quoted $2099 for a F&P fridge from Myers. Went to an electrical
shop (The Good Guys in Adelaide) and for the same model, I was quoted
$1775 with free delivery and hold the item for 3 months until my house
is ready..

Seriously, who buys whitegoods from Myers anyway?
Click to expand...

Actually good guys had the same fridge for the same price and I got free
delivery from Myers. I find Myers will price match so there is not problem
and they are easy to exchange if there is a fault. You just don't want to
pay their in initial ticket price. Also, they have a 30 day period where if
you see the same product cheaper they will pay the difference.

I have used this before too. So what's the problem with Myers then?
 
Well North American made GE's are still available in WA (and the
of course in the US and Canada). Saw some in Myers today.


Regards
Blue

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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:25:58 GMT, "aussieblu"
<zaussiblu@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

|Well North American made GE's are still available in WA (and the
|of course in the US and Canada). Saw some in Myers today.
|
|
|Regards
|Blue
|
|Remove Z from email address to reply directly.

Perhaps, but the GE I referred to was the original Australian division
of the parent company. They actually made appliances with the GE brand
in Australia (and rebadged others).

Today, GE appliances in the Asia/Pacific region operate from New
Zealand
http://www.ge.com.au/business/industrial_business/appliances.html and
Australia has a distributorship only. All products are imported with
no manufacturing locally as far as I am aware.
 
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