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AIUI, the dealers' speakers are no better than what they put in the car
originally, but it's possible things have changed. Anyoone know? If
they are no better than original, they are still useful when the
original ones have been ruined somehow.
On 12/04/2017 10:50 PM, micky wrote:
AIUI, the dealers' speakers are no better than what they put in the car
originally, but it's possible things have changed. Anyoone know? If
they are no better than original, they are still useful when the
original ones have been ruined somehow.
Short of a volume limiter, I don't believe you can protect a speaker from a teenager.
It's the only way you're getting them out of there. The top trim panel
should come out fairly easily and make access to the speaker retainers
easy as well.
I haven't worked on speakers in decades.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speakers1.jpg
How do we debug a scratchy sound? We can isolate it with the balance to
a single speaker.
But is it the speaker? Or something else?
If it's the speaker, where is a good place (other than the dealer) to get
speakers to fit a car rear deck? Are they all standard sizes nowadays? Or
is each unique?
I'm helping the neighbor's kid refurbish a beat-up 2005 Camry where I
helped her kid put in new speaker covers this weekend but the scratch sound
persisted (we thought it might have been the crud or vibration from the
crumbling melted-in covers).
The scratchy sound persisted even with the newly replaced covers.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speakers2.jpg
Any suggestion on how to debug the cause of the scratchiness?
If it's the speakers themselves, are these things standard sizes nowadays?
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 20:44:17 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
harry@is.invalid> wrote:
I called the Toyota dealership and gave them the VIN where they told me
their price was $298 for a single OEM Pioneer 6x9 speaker + about $30 tax,
so, since I'll likely want to get a set, that would be $660 for the set.
You can find a Pioneer 6x9 speaker for a better price than that,
surely. If it fits the OEM -- why not?
Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 20:44:17 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
harry@is.invalid> wrote:
I called the Toyota dealership and gave them the VIN where they told me
their price was $298 for a single OEM Pioneer 6x9 speaker + about $30 tax,
so, since I'll likely want to get a set, that would be $660 for the set.
You can find a Pioneer 6x9 speaker for a better price than that,
surely. If it fits the OEM -- why not?
Whereas you can get generic 6x9s from Parts Express for around $5 each,
for a total of $20 the set, and they probably won't be any worse than the
originals.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
I like the ideas of:
a. Testing with a separate speaker (if I can find one)
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 04:20:59 -0500, Jack <jack@127.0.0.1> wrote:
Short of a volume limiter, I don't believe you can protect a speaker from a teenager.
...Slowly raises hand. I could shake the pictures on the walls at
home. Once came up from the basement, after the stereo sound stopped.
Dang. A speaker was on fire. I threw it out the front door, in the
snow.
He who is Oren said on Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:54:05 -0800:
It really is a shame when college kids can't fix a scratchy sounding
speaker. A speaker smarter than a snowflake. with a safe place.
The whole family is girls.
On 05/12/17 14:48, harry newton wrote:
He who is Oren said on Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:54:05 -0800:
It really is a shame when college kids can't fix a scratchy sounding
speaker. A speaker smarter than a snowflake. with a safe place.
The whole family is girls.
All the more reason to encourage them to learn to make and fix stuff.
Geek girls rock!
Whereas you can get generic 6x9s from Parts Express for around $5 each,
for a total of $20 the set, and they probably won't be any worse than the
originals.
He who is Scott Dorsey said on 5 Dec 2017 14:14:38 -0500:
Whereas you can get generic 6x9s from Parts Express for around $5 each,
for a total of $20 the set, and they probably won't be any worse than the
originals.
Price is never an indication of quality - it's just an indication of what
other people are willing to pay - which - marketing knows - is highly
influenced by marketing garbage.
So, a 6x9" 20W $5 Parts Express speaker might or might not be as good as a
6x9" 20W $300 speaker at Toyota which itself might or might not be as good
as a 6x9" 20W $25 speaker at Crutchfields.
How are we to know?
Sure, in the days of yore, we pored over those 3db power:frequency curves,
from 7KHz to 20KHz on each speaker box, and where, folks like Jeff
Liebermann would know, they always find a way to lie a little bit.
While I doubt the $300 per speaker at Toyota is a fair price, how can I
tell, a priori, if the $5 speaker at Parts Express will be as good (or bad)
as the $25 speaker at Crutchfields?
A good indicator of quality is magnet mass. If it has a tiny littleIs there any way for a consumer to make an intelligent speaker decision?
He who is Oren said on Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:54:05 -0800:
It really is a shame when college kids can't fix a scratchy sounding
speaker. A speaker smarter than a snowflake. with a safe place.
The whole family is girls.
He who is Scott Dorsey said on 5 Dec 2017 14:14:38 -0500:
Whereas you can get generic 6x9s from Parts Express for around $5 each,
for a total of $20 the set, and they probably won't be any worse than the
originals.
Price is never an indication of quality - it's just an indication of what
other people are willing to pay - which - marketing knows - is highly
influenced by marketing garbage.
So, a 6x9" 20W $5 Parts Express speaker might or might not be as good as a
6x9" 20W $300 speaker at Toyota which itself might or might not be as good
as a 6x9" 20W $25 speaker at Crutchfields.
While I doubt the $300 per speaker at Toyota is a fair price, how can I
tell, a priori, if the $5 speaker at Parts Express will be as good (or bad)
as the $25 speaker at Crutchfields?
Is there any way for a consumer to make an intelligent speaker decision?
On 05/12/17 14:48, harry newton wrote:
He who is Oren said on Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:54:05 -0800:
It really is a shame when college kids can't fix a scratchy sounding
speaker. A speaker smarter than a snowflake. with a safe place.
The whole family is girls.
All the more reason to encourage them to learn to make and fix stuff.
Geek girls rock!
My belief is that the lack of mechanical ability among many youth and
adults is based on two things:
1. Japanese cars. Far fewer mechanical breakdowns and less maintenance
led to the end of dads spending time with their kids showing them how to
change oil, plugs, points, rotors, and adjust timing on high-maintenance
vehicles. The whole skill set of using tools and fixing cars was lost.
Car maintenance teaches skills that are transferable to many other
applications.
2. Immigrants from countries with low-cost labor. My Indian friend told
me that it took a lot of getting used to life in the U.S. because in
India even middle class people have multiple servants to help out, i.e.
cooks, cleaners, gardeners, drivers, etc.. In China, labor is so cheap
that the middle class hires laborers and there is no "do-it-yourself"
mentality, it is viewed as demeaning to do home improvements like
painting or fixing plumbing problems.