What wories me

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 7:24:31 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 23:32:19 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

Strange that little Greta is not beside herself about it too.

Time for her to go back to class. Her parents are probably rich enough
by now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg

"Greta Thunberg was born on 3 January 2003 in Stockholm, the daughter of opera singer Malena Ernman and actor Svante Thunberg. Her paternal grandfather is actor and director Olof Thunberg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malena_Ernman

They were pretty well off before Greta got famous, and well placed to monetarise her fame. So far there isn't any evidence that they have bothered.

Apparently Svante Thunberg is named for

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius

who is some kind of distant relative. John Larkin probably won't know that he was the first to suggest that anthropogenic global warming was happening, back in 1896.

https://history.aip.org/climate/timeline.htm

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 3:12:34 AM UTC+11, bitrex wrote:

On 11/6/19 5:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 6:32:24 PM UTC+11, Phil Allison wrote:
Hi to all,


** The scary thing that I worry about now and then does not take decades to happen, has no doubts associated with it whatsoever and is far worse than AGW.

A nuclear exchange could happen any time and would likely devastate much of the planet, in a matter of hours, leaving it useless for hundreds or many thousands of years.

There are several thousand ICBMs, submarine launched missiles and cruise missiles fitted with nuclear warheads just waiting to be used. The latter are expected to become " doom's day " weapons".

Mostly the warheads are fusion bombs, massively bigger than the Hiroshima fission bomb.

A great many countries have them now: the USA, UK, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Israel. May soon be more.

Then there are home made versions, using low grade nuclear material and high explosives - so called "dirty bombs".

Terrorists used Boeing jets full of passengers as suicide cruise missiles not long ago in the USA. They would not hesitate to use a dirty bomb or illegally obtained nuke - either without warning as revenge or in some elaborate hostage scheme that achieved their ends.

Don't see any international panic about that going on.

How odd ??

Must be another motive for wanting mining and the use of all fossil fuel to stop.

Wonder what that could be ??

Hmmmmm ........

Strange that little Greta is not beside herself about it too.

We've had mutual assured destruction since I was kid. It seems to work, and the number of nuclear weapons around has actually gone down a bit.

Climate change is just as real, and it's progressing. Greta is probably right to be more worried about it.


Problem with mutual assured destruction is there's no evidence it's
"worked well" at all or will continue to do so for any time interval you
care to speak of. It could stop working tomorrow for all anyone knows.

Perfectly true, but unlikely.

Maybe we've just gotten lucky so far. We definitely have on several
known-to-the-public occasions and there are probably many more the
public is unaware of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident

Unlike the climate the interaction of human psychology and nuclear
weapons can't be effectively modeled. It's the definition of unpredictable.

Unpredictable stuff gets monitored. All that early warning radar gear is doing the monitoring. There's all sorts of spying going on which is less visible, but probably a lot more effective, since it is in the business of identifying the nutters before they get close to the big buttons.

Trump is clear evidence that it isn't as effective as it might be, but I suspect that the White House staff has a hot line to a pool of psychiatrists who could be relied on to certify him as insane in minutes if he went florid.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:05:54 AM UTC-5, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 2:32:24 AM UTC-5, Phil Allison wrote:
Hi to all,


** The scary thing that I worry about now and then does not take decades to happen, has no doubts associated with it whatsoever and is far worse than AGW.

A nuclear exchange could happen any time and would likely devastate much of the planet, in a matter of hours, leaving it useless for hundreds or many thousands of years.

There are several thousand ICBMs, submarine launched missiles and cruise missiles fitted with nuclear warheads just waiting to be used. The latter are expected to become " doom's day " weapons".

Mostly the warheads are fusion bombs, massively bigger than the Hiroshima fission bomb.

A great many countries have them now: the USA, UK, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Israel. May soon be more.

Then there are home made versions, using low grade nuclear material and high explosives - so called "dirty bombs".

Terrorists used Boeing jets full of passengers as suicide cruise missiles not long ago in the USA. They would not hesitate to use a dirty bomb or illegally obtained nuke - either without warning as revenge or in some elaborate hostage scheme that achieved their ends.

Don't see any international panic about that going on.

How odd ??

Must be another motive for wanting mining and the use of all fossil fuel to stop.

Wonder what that could be ??

Hmmmmm ........

Strange that little Greta is not beside herself about it too.


..... Phil

You will only see international panic about topics that can conveniently advance leftism. The nuclear football does not currently meet that need (as it did 30 years ago). Not to worry, it is sitting on the back burner and will become the hot topic again when maximum leftist leverage can be realized from it.

It will be a big deal very soon, likely before the next election. The leftist researchers have figured out how to target the red voters over the blue so you can expect many major democratic victories in the near future.

WTF? How did this become a right/left schism issue?

--

Rick C.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:12:12 AM UTC+11, Phil Allison wrote:

Chris Jones wrote:

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Also, there isn't much that can be done about it, at least at a personal
level, whereas influencing CO2 output is quite feasible, though
sometimes inconvenient. There is usually more to be gained by worrying
about the things that one can fix or mitigate.

** So you would organise a new arrangement of deck chairs on a fast sinking liner with 5000 pax cos it was something to do?

That isn't remotely what he is saying. A closer analogy would be to organising a bucket-passing chain to try and reduce the water level in the bilges - at least that would be trying to do something useful, if ineffective.

I do also worry about
nuclear weapons but I don't think I gain much by doing so.

** Of course - but that is not the issue.

If Phil could do rational argument, he'd take the chance to tell us what the issue actually is in more detail, but blanket denial is much easier that spelling out the detail, particularly if you haven't worked out exactly what you are trying to say.

> AGW fanatics try to convince that their hypothesis IS the big one.

There's nothing fanatical about taking anthropogenic global warming seriously. People who thought that it was the only issue might be accused of that, but they only seem to exist in denialist propaganda sprays.

> Yet they will not even the consider a move to wide use of atomic energy - which is the obvious way to end use of fossil fuels.

It's one way, but it does have it's own problems, and those nuclear power generating plants now under construction all seem to be way behind schedule and way over price.

Solar farms and windmills are popping up like mushrooms, and the Chinese have factories that churn out solar cells in huge volume.

The solar cell industry is just about due for another factor of ten scale-up in production volume, which is very likely to halve the unit price yet again.

We need pumped storage and grid-scale batteries to cope with the fact that these sources are intermittent, rather than dispatchable, but they are being built up.

> What they actually want is all development in all countries to cease and in fact go backwards.

That's nonsense. It's a theoretical option, but the only place where I've seen any claim that anybody wants it to happen is in denialist propaganda.

Steven Pinker mentioned it in one of his books, but when I asked him for an example he said that it only came up in conversations with ordinary people that he ran into after giving lectures, but that it did come up regularly.

> AGW is just a convenient means to that end.

If only that were true. Anthropogenic global warming is something that is going on right now, and getting worse. We can reduce it by moving over to renewable energy sources - which in practice means wind power and solar power - and that is happening, but not fast as would be prudent.

Most of the drive to do it comes from the fact that solar and wind power have become a lot cheaper as we've built and installed more units. The political will do do it dropped dramatically as soon as the fossil energy extraction industry started spending money on broadcasting denialist propaganda, and you (and John Larkin and Cursitor Doom) are unfortunate evidence that you can fool quite a lot of people if you spend enough money on propaganda.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 4:34:21 AM UTC-5, Phil Allison wrote:

Rick C lives on Another Planet wrote:

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I'm not sure ....


** Should have stopped right there.

Da Nile is not just a river in Egypt ....



..... Phil

This is how you know you are pushing someone's buttons, when they aren't even capable of a reasoned reply.

lol

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[Phil Allison]

Rick C wrote:
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I'm not sure ....


** Should have stopped right there.

Da Nile is not just a river in Egypt ....



This is how you know you are pushing someone's buttons, when they
aren't even capable of a reasoned reply.

** FFS nobody has to reply your asinine drivel or debate you against their wishes - ever. What I posted was very much "fair comment".

You are a target to be ridiculed here, cos you are clearly troll.

One thing I am not is a TROLL feeder.

Fuck off.


...... Phil

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:35:14 AM UTC+11, Phil Allison wrote:

Rick C wrote:
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I'm not sure ....


** Should have stopped right there.

Da Nile is not just a river in Egypt ....



This is how you know you are pushing someone's buttons, when they
aren't even capable of a reasoned reply.

** FFS nobody has to reply your asinine drivel or debate you against their wishes - ever. What I posted was very much "fair comment".

If might have been "fair" but quality was decidedly poor and regrettably ill-informed. Any under-informed person has the right to post what he thinks is fair comment, but if he doesn't know what he is talking about he's going to get jeered at.

> You are a target to be ridiculed here, cos you are clearly troll.

Phil is clearly acting like a troll here.

> One thing I am not is a TROLL feeder.

No. Just a troll.

<snip>

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Sjouke Burry]

On 06.11.19 10:34, Phil Allison wrote:

Rick C lives on Another Planet wrote:

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I'm not sure ....


** Should have stopped right there.

Da Nile is not just a river in Egypt ....



..... Phil




Here it is a very nice spare rib restaurant.

 

[bitrex]

On 11/6/19 8:56 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 11/6/19 6:15 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

bitrex wrote:

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Phil Allison wrote:


Strange that little Greta is not beside herself about it too.


.....  Phil


https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/24/why-is-there-so-little-popular-protest-against-todays-threats-of-nuclear-war/



** The above link makes some good points.

4000 nukes complete with active delivery systems and materials to make
many times more on hand quickly is NOT scary ?

Any nuclear exchange is likely to escalate rapidly, if North Korea
hits a US target retaliation will be swift. Likely from US subs or
carrier fleet with cruise missiles.

Then it will be on for young and old.

China will get stuck in against the US.

Japan may be hit in retaliation by NK if the US mainland is out of range.

Be the worst thing that ever happened, by miles.

Still not scary?

Maybe little Greta would become speechless again.


.....  Phil

Or maybe anti-nuclear groups should hire her. Greta makes a far better
spokesperson on such topics than the entire portion of the 20-40
something big-money "millennial" Silicon Valley tech industry - who say
and do a lot of much dumber things than she does.

The American left is going to lose bad if it continues to let those
people do their talking for them.

Or rather, lose bad...Again.

 

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 15:15:30 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

bitrex wrote:

-=-----------

Phil Allison wrote:


Strange that little Greta is not beside herself about it too.


..... Phil


https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/24/why-is-there-so-little-popular-protest-against-todays-threats-of-nuclear-war/


** The above link makes some good points.

4000 nukes complete with active delivery systems and materials to make many times more on hand quickly is NOT scary ?

Any nuclear exchange is likely to escalate rapidly, if North Korea hits a US target retaliation will be swift. Likely from US subs or carrier fleet with cruise missiles.

Then it will be on for young and old.

China will get stuck in against the US.

Japan may be hit in retaliation by NK if the US mainland is out of range.

Be the worst thing that ever happened, by miles.

A nuke attack by NK would probably kill a lot less people than Hitler
or Stalin or Mao each killed.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[bitrex]

On 11/6/19 10:48 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 15:15:30 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:


bitrex wrote:

-=-----------

Phil Allison wrote:


Strange that little Greta is not beside herself about it too.


..... Phil


https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/24/why-is-there-so-little-popular-protest-against-todays-threats-of-nuclear-war/


** The above link makes some good points.

4000 nukes complete with active delivery systems and materials to make many times more on hand quickly is NOT scary ?

Any nuclear exchange is likely to escalate rapidly, if North Korea hits a US target retaliation will be swift. Likely from US subs or carrier fleet with cruise missiles.

Then it will be on for young and old.

China will get stuck in against the US.

Japan may be hit in retaliation by NK if the US mainland is out of range.

Be the worst thing that ever happened, by miles.

A nuke attack by NK would probably kill a lot less people than Hitler
or Stalin or Mao each killed.

those who feel governments can't do anything effectively should take
some comfort that governments perhaps can't run a nuclear war
effectively, either.

a few missiles are fired and go off, communication is disrupted, nobody
knows what's going on or what they're doing or who even has the
authority to do anything, process grinds to a halt as everyone involved
is paralyzed by mass confusion.

Well I hope they're right

 

[bitrex]

On 11/6/19 11:22 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 11/6/19 10:48 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 15:15:30 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:


bitrex wrote:

-=-----------

Phil Allison wrote:


Strange that little Greta is not beside herself about it too.


.....  Phil


https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/24/why-is-there-so-little-popular-protest-against-todays-threats-of-nuclear-war/



** The above link makes some good points.

4000 nukes complete with active delivery systems and materials to
make many times more on hand quickly is NOT scary ?

Any nuclear exchange is likely to escalate rapidly, if North Korea
hits a US target retaliation will be swift. Likely from US subs or
carrier fleet with cruise missiles.

Then it will be on for young and old.

China will get stuck in against the US.

Japan may be hit in retaliation by NK if the US mainland is out of
range.

Be the worst thing that ever happened, by miles.

A nuke attack by NK would probably kill a lot less people than Hitler
or Stalin or Mao each killed.




those who feel governments can't do anything effectively should take
some comfort that governments perhaps can't run a nuclear war
effectively, either.

a few missiles are fired and go off, communication is disrupted, nobody
knows what's going on or what they're doing or who even has the
authority to do anything, process grinds to a halt as everyone involved
is paralyzed by mass confusion.

Well I hope they're right

9/11 attacks were long over and done with before any of the humans in
the US Air Force or manning the air defense network had any idea what
the hell was happening or what was really going on. Eventually they got
some fighters in the air, far too late to take any productive action.

 

[Phil Allison]

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

A nuke attack by NK would probably kill a lot less people than Hitler
or Stalin or Mao each killed.

** I can barely think of anything more *irrelevant* than the above asinine claim from resident nut-case bully JL.

Shame he cannot identify simple audio amp deign problems.

Thinks too literally maybe ....



..... Phil

 

[Robert Baer]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote in
news:8gu4se94niks9pcbjdoruh55vk9kgpgio1@4ax.com:

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 23:32:19 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi to all,


** The scary thing that I worry about now and then does not take
decades to happen, has no doubts associated with it whatsoever and
is far worse than AGW.

A nuclear exchange could happen any time and would likely
devastate much of the planet, in a matter of hours, leaving it
useless for hundreds or many thousands of years.

There are several thousand ICBMs, submarine launched missiles and
cruise missiles fitted with nuclear warheads just waiting to be
used. The latter are expected to become " doom's day " weapons".

Mostly the warheads are fusion bombs, massively bigger than the
Hiroshima fission bomb.

A great many countries have them now: the USA, UK, France, Russia,
China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Israel. May soon be more.

Then there are home made versions, using low grade nuclear
material and high explosives - so called "dirty bombs".

Terrorists used Boeing jets full of passengers as suicide cruise
missiles not long ago in the USA. They would not hesitate to use a
dirty bomb or illegally obtained nuke - either without warning as
revenge or in some elaborate hostage scheme that achieved their
ends.

Don't see any international panic about that going on.

How odd ??

Must be another motive for wanting mining and the use of all
fossil fuel to stop.

Wonder what that could be ??

Hmmmmm ........

Strange that little Greta is not beside herself about it too.


..... Phil


This issue crosses my mind sometimes too. But what can one do ?
This is a very unfortunate reality.

I just have to not worry too much and do my thing because it's
evidently healthier to try and be happy in life.





Since we have not built or established any subterranean cities
latey...

Hey... There's an idea!

Caves of Steel?

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:48:13 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

A nuke attack by NK would probably kill a lot less people than Hitler
or Stalin or Mao each killed.

Well, that's a relief. Who'd miss San Francisco, anyhow?

 

[boB]

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 03:42:26 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

boB wrote:

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This issue crosses my mind sometimes too. But what can one do ?
This is a very unfortunate reality.

I just have to not worry too much and do my thing because it's
evidently healthier to try and be happy in life.


** So says the lamb on its way to the slaughter house.


..... Phil

I assume that pretty much the entire world will be a slaughter house.

But, OK then, what some very few could do would be to find a cave
somewhere and live there self sufficiently. Might be fun for a whle.

I would have a Hard time being a hermit for long periods.

Most civilized countries most likely would not start an all out
bombing. I'm not "too" worried about that.

I would worry most about terrorists getting nukes. Some of them come
from countries where there are or will be nukes eventually.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 07/11/2019 03:48, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 15:15:30 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:


bitrex wrote:

-=-----------

Phil Allison wrote:


Strange that little Greta is not beside herself about it too.


..... Phil


https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/24/why-is-there-so-little-popular-protest-against-todays-threats-of-nuclear-war/


** The above link makes some good points.

4000 nukes complete with active delivery systems and materials to make many times more on hand quickly is NOT scary ?

Any nuclear exchange is likely to escalate rapidly, if North Korea hits a US target retaliation will be swift. Likely from US subs or carrier fleet with cruise missiles.

Then it will be on for young and old.

China will get stuck in against the US.

Japan may be hit in retaliation by NK if the US mainland is out of range.

Be the worst thing that ever happened, by miles.

A nuke attack by NK would probably kill a lot less people than Hitler
or Stalin or Mao each killed.

It would mess up the semiconductor pretty badly if we had a new wave of
alpha emitting dust in the atmosphere again. You should be hoarding 8"
diameter single crystal slabs of pure silicon if you think this scenario
will play out any time soon. It will be a while before things cool down
enough to make ram chips again after nuclear air or worse ground bursts.

Its also another reason to use lead free solder too. Nice review here:

http://www.ipme.ru/e-journals/RAMS/no_23413/07_23413_kumar.pdf

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 20:40:04 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:



A nuke attack by NK would probably kill a lot less people than Hitler
or Stalin or Mao each killed.



** I can barely think of anything more *irrelevant* than the above asinine claim from resident nut-case bully JL.

Shame he cannot identify simple audio amp deign problems.

Thinks too literally maybe ....

Repair is about being literal, compulsive, making the broken amp
exactly like it left the factory.

Design is about being lateral, diffusive, making things that no-one
else has ever made.

We are different, and this is a design group.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 21:58:25 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:48:13 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

A nuke attack by NK would probably kill a lot less people than Hitler
or Stalin or Mao each killed.

Well, that's a relief. Who'd miss San Francisco, anyhow?

Would that be "the worst thing that ever happened" ?



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics