What is the symbol for a mic?

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:58:06 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Lostgallifreyan wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:LuGdncKZWZqAnnbXnZ2dnUVZ_udi4p2d@earthlink.com:


Lostgallifreyan wrote:

Eddie <invalid@mail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9CB423AEF2856F3QA2@feeder.eternal- september.org:

Can you give us a drawing. It must be easier to understand than any
more of this? In the end I only want to know see what symbol you're
suggesting for stereo!



Ok, I haven't got picture (or any) hosting so you'll need to tell me
somewhere to send it.

If someone can remind me what the right group is called for this I'll
try sending it there too.


news:alt.binaries.schematics.electronics



Ta. :) I googled a.b.s.e hoping they would tell me the full name, but no.. I
wish Google had an exact string search.


Google is so screwed up anymore that it isn't funny.
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You're both idiots. Google does NOT carry the binary groups, so it only
follows that there would be no ability to search said groups.

D'OH!
 
Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in
news:6e7ne5hmg3osf76fjqsvk1bmtnsam4mihc@4ax.com:

If someone can remind me what the right group is called for this
I'll try sending it there too.


news:alt.binaries.schematics.electronics



Ta. :) I googled a.b.s.e hoping they would tell me the full name, but
no.. I wish Google had an exact string search.


Google is so screwed up anymore that it isn't funny.


You're both idiots. Google does NOT carry the binary groups, so it only
follows that there would be no ability to search said groups.

D'OH!
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And you, you fine fucktard, have entirely missed the point. Again. I was
looking for the NAME. Now, as Google often returns results from web archives
of usenet groups and mailing lists, ti seemed likely that they'd quickly let
me deduce the full name from a.b.s.e IF they had a proper string search.
Because that way (I'm spelling it out here, I really don't want to give you
any excuse not to understand this), I'd have seen posts referring to a.b.s.e
exactly, and some of those would either mention the full name, or even have
been in text posted to it along with some image, thus it would be in the
header which is often also included in an archive page.

If you still think I'm stupid for thinking of this when you did not, feel
free to let me know. Oh, and don't take that 'fucktard' personally, you've
said good stuff too at times unlike the odd troll you seem too ready to feed,
I just liked the alliteration and you gave me the excuse to use it..

And Mike's right, Google is getting very screwed up. I'm beginning to wonder
if they'll start appending advertising to every mail sent via them to mailing
lists, in short, using every possible method to increase spam to the point
where those who want it to stop will only have one method that is even
practical, never mind honourable, namely to avoid their services where
possible.

Considering that sites like findchips.com exist, it's likely that this won't
be that tough a burden. Once you have good leads, internal linking between
sites is better than Google is now.
 
Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in
news:e17ne5trkk9s5pho3onveodae4tsa087dp@4ax.com:

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:31:01 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net
wrote:

Eddie <invalid@mail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9CB423AEF2856F3QA2@feeder.eternal- september.org:

Can you give us a drawing. It must be easier to understand than any
more of this? In the end I only want to know see what symbol you're
suggesting for stereo!


Ok, I haven't got picture (or any) hosting so I'll risk trying to attach
a PNG image here. It's as small as I can get it so if gets through it
should do it without raising hackles, but this group isn't meant for
this.

If someone can remind me what the right group is called for this I'll
try sending it there too.

These are ok for block diagrams or making labels for sticking on things,
but would need a bit of pin modification for schematics if you extended
them to that.

That covers OMNI mikes. Ther are other symbols for cardioid and
hypercardioid, and Supercardioid.

Jeez, you DOPEY FUCKS, just put a TEXT label on the fucking disks!

Only the DOPE that puts the UNKNOWN symbol on the disks will
understand
it.

In other words, do not make the jump from dopey fucktard to total
retard by actually printing stupid schematic symbol labels for your
disks.
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Ha! I think my use of the word fucktard is better than yours. I win. Not
hard, given your 'logic'. Just let people do what they want to do. Or do you
think that doing things slightly strange is equivalent to stealing babies?
Are you one of these BURN THE WITCH! guys? Terrified of anything that doesn't
fot your narrow version of normality? For the record, go look at any vintage
gear, you'll see all kinds of symbols that either survived, or didn't. Who
cares? If someone wants one and uses it, that's their business.

Btw, that original symbol of the circle and bar wasn't originally omni. it
wasn't specified at all, it was purely based on the ball and biscuit shape of
an early form. If people wanted to specify further they probably just wrote
text labels too. And if you're going to start arguing inanely about that
you'd better start arguing with the whole world about its use of symbols
generally and wear yourself out faster so we can get some peace.
 
On Oct 30, 10:13 pm, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:31:01 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-...@nowhere.net
wrote:





Eddie <inva...@mail.com> wrote innews:Xns9CB423AEF2856F3QA2@feeder.eternal-
september.org:

Can you give us a drawing. It must be easier to understand than any
more of this?  In the end I only want to know see what symbol you're
suggesting for stereo!

Ok, I haven't got picture (or any) hosting so I'll risk trying to attach a
PNG image here. It's as small as I can get it so if gets through it should do
it without raising hackles, but this group isn't meant for this.

If someone can remind me what the right group is called for this I'll try
sending it there too.

These are ok for block diagrams or making labels for sticking on things, but
would need a bit of pin modification for schematics if you extended them to
that.

  That covers OMNI mikes.  Ther are other symbols for cardioid and
hypercardioid, and Supercardioid.

  Jeez, you DOPEY FUCKS, just put a TEXT label on the fucking disks!

  Only the DOPE that puts the UNKNOWN symbol on the disks will understand
it.

  In other words, do not make the jump from dopey fucktard to total
retard by actually printing stupid schematic symbol labels for your
disks.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
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THE ONLY DOPEY FAGGOTY FUCK IN HERE IS YOU TROLL

I AM PROTEUS
 
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:32:08 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net>
wrote:

Ha! I think my use of the word fucktard is better than yours. I win. Not
hard, given your 'logic'. Just let people do what they want to do.
Click to expand...

Dumbfuck. Nobody is stopping him. Folks are merely stating that it a
fucktard move, fucktard. Or is that clueless fucktard?
 
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:32:08 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net>
wrote:

Btw, that original symbol of the circle and bar wasn't originally omni. it
wasn't specified at all, it was purely based on the ball and biscuit shape of
an early form.
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Which were generally omni. The symbol, at one time, most certainly did
have variants that related DIRECTLY to the type of mic.
 
Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in
news:59joe5hrjthhakikidejseqp6usloa4uh5@4ax.com:

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:32:08 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net
wrote:


Btw, that original symbol of the circle and bar wasn't originally omni.
it wasn't specified at all, it was purely based on the ball and biscuit
shape of an early form.

Which were generally omni. The symbol, at one time, most certainly
did
have variants that related DIRECTLY to the type of mic.
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Given that it was a while before anyone invented any kind of high quality
directional mic after the spherical omni type moving coil mic, it's not
surprising that the original symbol seems to equate with omni types. Until
the ribbon mic was invented there was no real distinction to be made. Anyway,
given the huge size, even the 'omni' mics of that time were all cardioid to
some extent, you won't see a good quality true omni until you get below 6 mm
capsule size, as used for specialised metering (and probably cheaply enough
by now in electret type). I looked for symbols and didn't find them relating
to polar patterns at all, though I did find several relating to transducer
type. An electronic schematic symbol doesn't need to specify acoustic
responses and details like resonant cavities in microphone bodies.

If you want to debate this go look deeper at it first. If you chose the other
course of finding as many ways to call me a fucktard as you can, you're going
on the plonk file because there's piss poor entertainment to be had from that
after the first time.
 
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:39:09 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net>
wrote:

Given that it was a while before anyone invented any kind of high quality
directional mic after the spherical omni type moving coil mic, it's not
surprising that the original symbol seems to equate with omni types.
Click to expand...
The first one was in 1876, so I think we have had a while to play with
the engineering.

Directional mikes (cardioid) were being used in the late 30's and the
40's and 50's ushered in a LOT of audio gear, both in the military
channels and the commercial realm as well.

Laser mics are cool...

A new type of laser microphone is a device that uses a laser beam and
smoke or vapor to detect sound vibrations in free air. On 25 August 2009,
U.S. patent 7,580,533 issued for a Particulate Flow Detection Microphone
based on a laser-photocell pair with a moving stream of smoke or vapor in
the laser beam's path. Sound pressure waves cause disturbances in the
smoke that in turn cause variations in the amount of laser light reaching
the photo detector. A prototype of the device was demonstrated at the
127th Audio Engineering Society convention in New York City from 9
through 12 October 2009.

Very fresh!
 
Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in
news:blroe551fus02u6uf68e70kqlipri70rdc@4ax.com:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:39:09 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net
wrote:


Given that it was a while before anyone invented any kind of high quality
directional mic after the spherical omni type moving coil mic, it's not
surprising that the original symbol seems to equate with omni types.

The first one was in 1876, so I think we have had a while to play with
the engineering.

Directional mikes (cardioid) were being used in the late 30's and the
40's and 50's ushered in a LOT of audio gear, both in the military
channels and the commercial realm as well.

Laser mics are cool...

A new type of laser microphone is a device that uses a laser beam and
smoke or vapor to detect sound vibrations in free air. On 25 August 2009,
U.S. patent 7,580,533 issued for a Particulate Flow Detection Microphone
based on a laser-photocell pair with a moving stream of smoke or vapor in
the laser beam's path. Sound pressure waves cause disturbances in the
smoke that in turn cause variations in the amount of laser light reaching
the photo detector. A prototype of the device was demonstrated at the
127th Audio Engineering Society convention in New York City from 9
through 12 October 2009.

Very fresh!
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Yep, I'm sort of watching that space too. At first I thought it wouldn't be
viable, horrible SNR etc, but I was told (by Phil Hobbs I think) that it
worked fine, so I'm likely to want to play with one at some point. /dreaming

Also given the high energy density that powerful lasers can make, I wonder if
the idea might be reversible somehow. Plasma tweeters never really took off
(too expensive maybe), and plasma wide-range speakers maybe don't even exist
except as a kind of audiophile monument that is about as out-of-reach as a
Cray computer was for most of the last few decades. I wonder if some kind of
laser might put enough modulated energy into a tiny space to make it work
though. But this is the very loosest kind of wondering, I really haven't a
clue if it would work well, or what other ways might be better.
 
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:40:33 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net>
wrote:

Plasma tweeters never really took off
(too expensive maybe),
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The military has eximer lasers that can punch a dent in a missile body
in flight.

So, maybe a variant of a ribbon tweeter, where photons impinge on the
ribbon backside, causing emission on the face of it.
 
Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in
news:gutoe5tbnf9deb8u1o9o3uc3fu6u1p5kjt@4ax.com:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:40:33 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net
wrote:

Plasma tweeters never really took off
(too expensive maybe),

The military has eximer lasers that can punch a dent in a missile body
in flight.

So, maybe a variant of a ribbon tweeter, where photons impinge on the
ribbon backside, causing emission on the face of it.
Click to expand...
But with some vicious harmonic distortion. :) I was thinking of some kind of
gas state only, or actual plasma, just not derived from HV. A small Q-
switched YAG like the Abrams tank rangefinders can, if focussed, make a
snapping sound as it burns the air (and a flash at focal point). Maybe if
there was some way to control it... But I bet it would end up just as
unfeasible and dangerous as doing it with HV. And probably harder to do.
Might not need huge peak power at all though, if a few hundred watts could be
focussed onto some fluid that can then have its rate of expansion modulated.
Anyway, I'll leave it there, I'm going to sleep. And I also know that people
in alt.lasers (and likely Phil Hobbs who haunts here and there too) would
have talked about this if it was anything like viable. Besides, I think the
idea that uses a closed, sealed Helmholtz resonator as a kind of fridge is
cooler. Totally strange and wonderful idea, to use sound as a heat pump.
 
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:26:18 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net>
wrote:

Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in
news:gutoe5tbnf9deb8u1o9o3uc3fu6u1p5kjt@4ax.com:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:40:33 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net
wrote:

Plasma tweeters never really took off
(too expensive maybe),

The military has eximer lasers that can punch a dent in a missile body
in flight.

So, maybe a variant of a ribbon tweeter, where photons impinge on the
ribbon backside, causing emission on the face of it.


But with some vicious harmonic distortion. :) I was thinking of some kind of
gas state only, or actual plasma, just not derived from HV. A small Q-
switched YAG like the Abrams tank rangefinders can, if focussed, make a
snapping sound as it burns the air (and a flash at focal point). Maybe if
there was some way to control it... But I bet it would end up just as
unfeasible and dangerous as doing it with HV. And probably harder to do.
Might not need huge peak power at all though, if a few hundred watts could be
focussed onto some fluid that can then have its rate of expansion modulated.
Anyway, I'll leave it there, I'm going to sleep. And I also know that people
in alt.lasers (and likely Phil Hobbs who haunts here and there too) would
have talked about this if it was anything like viable. Besides, I think the
idea that uses a closed, sealed Helmholtz resonator as a kind of fridge is
cooler. Totally strange and wonderful idea, to use sound as a heat pump.
Click to expand...
I never said a damned thing about HV. And high powered lasers hardly
become a candidate for something that you want to derive high electrical
efficiency from as it relates to a simple audio transducer.

If ribbon tweeters currently work, and they do, I see no difference
between motivating them they current way, or by using photon impingement.
It would NOT be focused, It would be a huge spot. Same number of
photons, but spread out
 
On Oct 31, 1:43 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org>
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:26:18 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-...@nowhere.net
wrote:





Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in
news:gutoe5tbnf9deb8u1o9o3uc3fu6u1p5kjt@4ax.com:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:40:33 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-...@nowhere.net
wrote:

Plasma tweeters never really took off
(too expensive maybe),

  The military has eximer lasers that can punch a dent in a missile body
in flight.

 So, maybe a variant of a ribbon tweeter, where photons impinge on the
ribbon backside, causing emission on the face of it.

But with some vicious harmonic distortion. :) I was thinking of some kind of
gas state only, or actual plasma, just not derived from HV. A small Q-
switched YAG like the Abrams tank rangefinders can, if focussed, make a
snapping sound as it burns the air (and a flash at focal point). Maybe if
there was some way to control it... But I bet it would end up just as
unfeasible and dangerous as doing it with HV. And probably harder to do.
Might not need huge peak power at all though, if a few hundred watts could be
focussed onto some fluid that can then have its rate of expansion modulated.
Anyway, I'll leave it there, I'm going to sleep. And I also know that people
in alt.lasers (and likely Phil Hobbs who haunts here and there too) would
have talked about this if it was anything like viable. Besides, I think the
idea that uses a closed, sealed Helmholtz resonator as a kind of fridge is
cooler. Totally strange and wonderful idea, to use sound as a heat pump.

  I never said a damned thing about HV.  And high powered lasers hardly
become a candidate for something that you want to derive high electrical
efficiency from as it relates to a simple audio transducer.

  If ribbon tweeters currently work, and they do, I see no difference
between motivating them they current way, or by using photon impingement.
  It would NOT be focused, It would be a huge spot. Same number of
photons, but spread out- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
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YOU ARE AN IDIOT

SHUT THE FUCKUP ALREADY YOU FUCKING FUCKTARD

TAKE YOUR FANTASY ANUS OUT OF HERE AND QUIT SPREADING YOUR ANAL IDIOCY
IN THIS GROUP

I AM PROTEUS
 
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:i72dneEn8oLL_HbXnZ2dnUVZ_oxi4p2d@earthlink.com:

Google is so screwed up anymore that it isn't funny.
Click to expand...
I just had a momentary glimpse of how deep THAT rabbithole goes, and it's not
an edifying view!

Sponsored Links

How to Make Electricity
$200 DIY kit has electricity co's Exec calling for a ban on its sale.
www.Power4Home.com
Click to expand...

This thing turns out to be a direct scam, credit card fraud, pure and simple,
as Google's own searches will quickly reveal. Google included that as a
sponsored link, and worse, they obscured it so the actual link above (the URL
isn't the actual link, the "How To Make Electricity" is the link text)
doesn't appear in the status bar of a browser when the pointer hovers over
it. Further, it contains so much encrypted session-based tracking stuff, AND
a payload for the script at the scammer's end appended to their own URL
buried in Google's long link.

As far as I'm concerned, with this single move, Google just degenerated into
the role of a pimp and procurer of victims for crime, knowing exactly what
they do, so that makes them criminals too.

I wonder who this might be reported to, to have a significant effect. I think
maybe the old blind eye won't do, now. Google wil say it does, for a while,
but given enough reports they'll soon get clobbered enough to make them stop
profiting from this degeneration.
 
Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net> wrote in
news:Xns9CBE6A90BD7A3zoodlewurdle@216.196.109.145:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:i72dneEn8oLL_HbXnZ2dnUVZ_oxi4p2d@earthlink.com:

Google is so screwed up anymore that it isn't funny.



I just had a momentary glimpse of how deep THAT rabbithole goes, and
it's not an edifying view!

Sponsored Links

How to Make Electricity
$200 DIY kit has electricity co's Exec calling for a ban on its sale.
www.Power4Home.com
Click to expand...

This thing turns out to be a direct scam, credit card fraud, pure and
simple, as Google's own searches will quickly reveal. Google included
that as a sponsored link, and worse, they obscured it so the actual link
above (the URL isn't the actual link, the "How To Make Electricity" is
the link text) doesn't appear in the status bar of a browser when the
pointer hovers over it. Further, it contains so much encrypted
session-based tracking stuff, AND a payload for the script at the
scammer's end appended to their own URL buried in Google's long link.

As far as I'm concerned, with this single move, Google just degenerated
into the role of a pimp and procurer of victims for crime, knowing
exactly what they do, so that makes them criminals too.

I wonder who this might be reported to, to have a significant effect. I
think maybe the old blind eye won't do, now. Google wil say it does, for
a while, but given enough reports they'll soon get clobbered enough to
make them stop profiting from this degeneration.
Click to expand...
Oh, and just to head off the chance of a bit of trolling, I clicked the link
not because I beleive in it, but because it's a source of endless fascination
to me what kinds of crap people come up with to try to convince the public
that they have some kind of magic tech. Didn't even see it this time, just a
long "but wait there's even more" infomercial caricature. I think someone
mentions a couple of solar panels and a windmill... Whole thing makes Arthur
Daley look like very high class.
 
On 11:37 15 Oct 2009, Eddie wrote:

I want to write (by hand) if some voice recordings of mine are
in mono or stereo.

Are there some standard symbols used for a mono mic and a
stereo mic?

Are there mono/stereo mic symbols used in schematic circuit
diagrams which could be used?

--------------------------------

I've seen two overlapping circles used for stereo. But for some
reason a mono mic is one circle PLUS a short bar

http://tinyurl.com/ykdar8p
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THANKS TO ALL WHO HELPED!

Eddie (OP)
 
THIS TOPIC HASNOW BEEN DEFECATED ON BY TROLL

A MICROPHONE IS NOT ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING

BUZZZ THE FLUX OFF

I AM PROTEUS
 
On Oct 31, 12:14 pm, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:39:09 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-...@nowhere.net
wrote:



Given that it was a while before anyone invented any kind of high quality
directional mic after the spherical omni type moving coil mic, it's not
surprising that the original symbol seems to equate with omni types.

 The first one was in 1876, so I think we have had a while to play with
the engineering.

 Directional mikes (cardioid) were being used in the late 30's and the
40's and 50's ushered in a LOT of audio gear, both in the military
channels and the commercial realm as well.

  Laser mics are cool...

A new type of laser microphone is a device that uses a laser beam and
smoke or vapor to detect sound vibrations in free air. On 25 August 2009,
U.S. patent 7,580,533 issued for a Particulate Flow Detection Microphone
based on a laser-photocell pair with a moving stream of smoke or vapor in
the laser beam's path. Sound pressure waves cause disturbances in the
smoke that in turn cause variations in the amount of laser light reaching
the photo detector. A prototype of the device was demonstrated at the
127th Audio Engineering Society convention in New York City from 9
through 12 October 2009.

  Very fresh!
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WHATEVER YOU DO OP EDDIE DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS TROLL ARCIHIONMEDS

HE IS A TROLL BUT NO BETTER NOR LATGER IN LIFE THAN A TURKEY
HE SHOULD BE FROZEN IN HIS TRAX
COME THIS THANKSGIVING BAISTED AND ROASTED FOR THE GROUPS ENJOYMENT

HE ALWAYS LIKES MAKING FUN AND FLAMING ANYONE HE FEELLS RANCHY OVER
WITH HIS ANAL COMMENTARIES INSULTS AND INNANE INPUT SO IT IS ONLY FAIR
WE COOK HIM WELL

WITH ALL THE SALMONELA AND FOOD POISONING GOING AROUND FROM HIS KIND
AND ALL
IT IS RIGHT AND JUST

GOOD LUCK

I AM PROTEUS
 
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