What Is 'Approximate' for Adv Purposes?

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"Chuck Harris" <cfharris@erols.com> wrote in message
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Mjolinor wrote:

As an Englishman who goes to the US a lot one of the things I have
noticed
is the gaps in the education and the things that US children are not
taught
or told about. For example when I went to primary school (7 to 11 years)
we
were taught all the American Indian tribes, where they came from
geographically, who was friends with whom and generally about their
lifestyle. I haven't met a single American who was taught it at school
which, to me, seems absurd. It seems that all americans know about the
pilgrim fathers which in terms of the whole picture was a fairly
insignificant event.

This is not a dig at American education because I am sure the same
applies
to me, it's just that I can't see my gaps unless someone points them out
to
me.


To what do you base this on?

I was taught all of that stuff in depth when I was in grade school, some
40 years ago. My son is currently in elementary school, and that is
what they are doing right now.

-Chuck
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I can only base it on the people I have talked to about it. I suppose they
tend to be mid 20s to mid 30s and hail from the top right hand side (Boston,
New York and surrounding areas). Not exactly a representative sample I
suppose but it was just an example. I wish I could offer another example
because I know I have been shocked a few times by the "wrong" information
that some people have been taught at school in the US.

Wrong means "different to what I was taught" :)
 
"Mjolinor" ["an Englishman who goes to the US a lot"] wrote ...
I can only base it on the people I have talked to about it.
I suppose they tend to be mid 20s to mid 30s and hail from
the top right hand side (Boston, New York and surrounding
areas). Not exactly a representative sample I suppose but it
was just an example.
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The USA is somewhat larger (amd more diverse) than the UK.
For that matter my little state (Oregon) is a bit larger than the
UK. Don't judge all of us by those NE elite snobs. :)
 
"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley7@xprt.net> wrote in message
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wrote ...
I can only base it on the people I have talked to about it.
I suppose they tend to be mid 20s to mid 30s and hail from
the top right hand side (Boston, New York and surrounding
areas). Not exactly a representative sample I suppose but it
was just an example.

The USA is somewhat larger (amd more diverse) than the UK.
For that matter my little state (Oregon) is a bit larger than the
UK. Don't judge all of us by those NE elite snobs. :)


I thought every one in the US lived in the NE or Miami :)
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"Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I thought every one in the US lived in the NE or Miami :)
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That's what the inhabitants of those places think :)

A question I've actually had: "This Cambridge University you're going to
study at... what part of London is that in?" :)
 
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"Rich Grise" wrote
: "Michael A. Covington" wrote
: > "Roger Gt" wrote
: >
: > > We had a class in school on "Communism Theory and Practice"
Where
: > > the seductive nature of the Enemies of civilization were
shown and
: > > why theoretical Communism was so enticing, and completely
: > > unworkable. The link to a Socialists paradise and the quest
for
: > > total control of all human life was included, with several
: > > hypothetical outcomes. Very impressive! Never forget the
images
: > > of mass starvation and murder the totalitarian control might
use
: > > ___ again!
: >
: > Where and when was this?
: > The point is, of course, quite compelling --
: > if communism were a good thing,
: > it would coexist with freedom, and it doesn't.
:
: They taught us some stuff about Communism too - one of the
things I
: vividly remember is the segment on propaganda tactics. And I see
: fanatics off all sorts using the exact same tactics, and getting
away
: with it.

We got some of that too, explained how the supporters used the
"Big Lie" tactic to divert people from looking into the details.
We all know the "Devil is in the details" and should always look
before we leap!

:
: One little event that I also vividly remember was an item in
"The
: Weekly Reader" called "The Little [hammer-and-sickle]ed
Schoolhouse";
: it talked about those poor kids in the communist regime: they
only
: get told what they want them to hear, their lives are planned
out
: for them, they only get to take what courses they're told,
everything
: the communists say is a lie, etc, etc, etc. So I asked, "So,
what's
: to guarantee that they're not doing this exact same thing to us?
: How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some
propaganda,
: just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?" The
: teacher got very nervous and changed the subject. Turns out it
was
: during the days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC - almost as insidious
as
: the current "Homeland Security" evil.
:
: And the Big Lie works a lot better these days because people are
: *SO* <Offensive language deleted> *STUPID*!!!!!
: Thanks for letting me share, Rich

Your welcome Rich!
We always need an example to provide a scale for the comments
here!
 
Roger Gt wrote:
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"Rich Grise" wrote
: "Michael A. Covington" wrote
: > "Roger Gt" wrote
:
: > > We had a class in school on "Communism Theory and Practice"
Where
: > > the seductive nature of the Enemies of civilization were
shown and
: > > why theoretical Communism was so enticing, and completely
: > > unworkable. The link to a Socialists paradise and the quest
for
: > > total control of all human life was included, with several
: > > hypothetical outcomes. Very impressive! Never forget the
images
: > > of mass starvation and murder the totalitarian control might
use
: > > ___ again!
:
: > Where and when was this?
: > The point is, of course, quite compelling --
: > if communism were a good thing,
: > it would coexist with freedom, and it doesn't.
:
: They taught us some stuff about Communism too - one of the
things I
: vividly remember is the segment on propaganda tactics. And I see
: fanatics off all sorts using the exact same tactics, and getting
away
: with it.

We got some of that too, explained how the supporters used the
"Big Lie" tactic to divert people from looking into the details.
We all know the "Devil is in the details" and should always look
before we leap!
--------------
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And which now you're always careful to apply selectively and only
to socially just alternatives to the current crypto-feudalism.

How well brainwashed you are. The rich love to hear you regurgitate.
They spent SO MUCH MONEY programming you.
What DID you actually think "The Weekly Reader" actually WAS, anyway??


: One little event that I also vividly remember was an item in
"The
: Weekly Reader" called "The Little [hammer-and-sickle]ed
Schoolhouse";
: it talked about those poor kids in the communist regime: they
only
: get told what they want them to hear, their lives are planned
out
: for them, they only get to take what courses they're told,
everything
: the communists say is a lie, etc, etc, etc. So I asked, "So,
what's
: to guarantee that they're not doing this exact same thing to us?
: How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some
propaganda,
: just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?" The
: teacher got very nervous and changed the subject. Turns out it
was
: during the days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC - almost as insidious
as
: the current "Homeland Security" evil.
:
: And the Big Lie works a lot better these days because people are
: *SO* <Offensive language deleted> *STUPID*!!!!!
: Thanks for letting me share, Rich

Your welcome Rich!
We always need an example to provide a scale for the comments
here!
---------------------------
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Whatever THAT meant.

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"Mjolinor" wrote
: > One little event that I also vividly remember was an item in
"The
: > Weekly Reader" called "The Little [hammer-and-sickle]ed
Schoolhouse";
: > it talked about those poor kids in the communist regime: they
only
: > get told what they want them to hear, their lives are planned
out
: > for them, they only get to take what courses they're told,
everything
: > the communists say is a lie, etc, etc, etc. So I asked, "So,
what's
: > to guarantee that they're not doing this exact same thing to
us?
: > How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some
propaganda,
: > just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?"
The
: > teacher got very nervous and changed the subject. Turns out it
was
: > during the days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC - almost as insidious
as
: > the current "Homeland Security" evil.
:
: As an Englishman who goes to the US a lot one of the things I
have noticed
: is the gaps in the education and the things that US children are
not taught
: or told about. For example when I went to primary school (7 to
11 years) we
: were taught all the American Indian tribes, where they came from
: geographically, who was friends with whom and generally about
their
: lifestyle. I haven't met a single American who was taught it at
school
: which, to me, seems absurd. It seems that all Americans know
about the
: pilgrim fathers which in terms of the whole picture was a fairly
: insignificant event.

Actually I "Went to school" with many of the kids from those
tribes from around my area, as well as participation in many other
activities which are part of their culture. There are at least
fifteen tribes in Arizona, the counties are named after some of
them. Listing them wouldn't help, you have to meet them to see a
difference. BTW some of the tribes are still at war with others.
After several hundreds of years they haven't settled some of the
disputes. But being an Englishman you wouldn't know that in places
like Arizona, and southern California there are tribes right in
town. In Arizona nearly 15% of the state's land belongs to the
tribes and it's not possible to avoid knowing many of them as they
are integrated into the society.

: This is not a dig at American education because I am sure the
same applies
: to me, it's just that I can't see my gaps unless someone points
them out to
: me.

The gaps are just a lot of misinformation, but the eastern peoples
are less exposed to the tribes. The Seminoles are still at war
with the US.... Never signed a treaty!
 
: So I asked, "So, what's to guarantee that they're not doing this exact
same thing to us?
: How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some
propaganda, just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?"
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So THAT's why you're on the list. I was never sure about your file. :)
 
The gaps are just a lot of misinformation, but the eastern peoples
are less exposed to the tribes. The Seminoles are still at war
with the US.... Never signed a treaty!
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They're just regrouping?
 
Lousy cropping. What, or who are you replying to and about what?



"Dave VanHorn" <dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote in message
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: >: So I asked, "So, what's to guarantee that they're not doing
this exact
: same thing to us?
: > : How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some
: > propaganda, just like they say they're doing to the poor
Russian kids?"
:
: So THAT's why you're on the list. I was never sure about your
file. :)
:
:
 
"Michael A. Covington" <look@www.covingtoninnovations.com.for.address> wrote
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"Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I thought every one in the US lived in the NE or Miami :)


That's what the inhabitants of those places think :)

A question I've actually had: "This Cambridge University you're going to
study at... what part of London is that in?" :)
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That's exactly right, I recently went to South Africa and was asked several
times which shops I would recommend for someone visiting London. I have a
standard reply "I visit (insert current place name) more often than I go to
London" and it's true. I have been to london once in the last 35 years and
that was once too many.
 
"Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote in message
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Lousy cropping. What, or who are you replying to and about what?
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Walz. Check the thread.

"Dave VanHorn" <dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote in message
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: >: So I asked, "So, what's to guarantee that they're not doing
this exact
: same thing to us?
: > : How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some
: > propaganda, just like they say they're doing to the poor
Russian kids?"
:
: So THAT's why you're on the list. I was never sure about your
file. :)
:
:
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"Michael A. Covington" <look@www.covingtoninnovations.com.for.address> wrote
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"Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I thought every one in the US lived in the NE or Miami :)


That's what the inhabitants of those places think :)

A question I've actually had: "This Cambridge University you're going to
study at... what part of London is that in?" :)

& Then there was the sitcom where some New Yawk guy says
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he's going to college at Stamford.

Cheers!
Rich
 
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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Roger Gt wrote:

: They taught us some stuff about Communism too - one of the
things I
: vividly remember is the segment on propaganda tactics. And I see
: fanatics off all sorts using the exact same tactics, and getting
away
: with it.

We got some of that too, explained how the supporters used the
"Big Lie" tactic to divert people from looking into the details.
We all know the "Devil is in the details" and should always look
before we leap!
--------------
And which now you're always careful to apply selectively and only
to socially just alternatives to the current crypto-feudalism.

How well brainwashed you are. The rich love to hear you regurgitate.
They spent SO MUCH MONEY programming you.
What DID you actually think "The Weekly Reader" actually WAS, anyway??
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Walz, you idiot. You've gone and excerpted the very part that you're
claiming to make a point with here.

Read my post again:
---------------<quote>-------------------------
So I asked, "So,
what's
: to guarantee that they're not doing this exact same thing to us?
: How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some
propaganda,
: just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?" The
: teacher got very nervous and changed the subject. Turns out it
was
: during the days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC - almost as insidious
as
: the current "Homeland Security" evil.
--------------<end quote>------------------------------------------

IOW, if you'd bother to read, I said that I "DID ... actually think
"The Weekly Reader" actually WAS" was (possibly) propaganda. But,
and this is something that it's been made clear repeatedly, thinking,
and questioning, are outside the realm of possibility for you and
your blindered robot ilk.

Your brainlock is showing again.

Try taking a look on the other side of your blinders. Or don't - it's
your choice.

Oh, wait! You don't have a choice! You're a servo completely at the
vagaries of circumstance.

Sorry.
Rich
 
"Dave VanHorn" <dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote in message
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The gaps are just a lot of misinformation, but the eastern peoples
are less exposed to the tribes. The Seminoles are still at war
with the US.... Never signed a treaty!

They're just regrouping?

OK, my ignorance is showing - have the Seminoles and the US ever
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actually _stated_ that they're at war, or are you just ass-u-me-ing
that, since there's no _treaty_, that "being at war" is the only
possible alternative?

Thanks,
Rich
 
"Rich Grise" <null@example.net> wrote in message
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"Dave VanHorn" <dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote in message
news:heudnasCFIBLjwrd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
The gaps are just a lot of misinformation, but the eastern peoples
are less exposed to the tribes. The Seminoles are still at war
with the US.... Never signed a treaty!

They're just regrouping?

OK, my ignorance is showing - have the Seminoles and the US ever
actually _stated_ that they're at war, or are you just ass-u-me-ing
that, since there's no _treaty_, that "being at war" is the only
possible alternative?

Thanks,
Rich


Just another case of america is at war with everyone unless otherwise
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stated. :)
 
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"Rich Grise" wrote
: "Dave VanHorn" wrote
: > > The gaps are just a lot of misinformation, but the eastern
peoples
: > > are less exposed to the tribes. The Seminoles are still at
war
: > > with the US.... Never signed a treaty!
: > They're just regrouping?
: >
: OK, my ignorance is showing - have the Seminoles and the US ever
: actually _stated_ that they're at war, or are you just
ass-u-me-ing
: that, since there's no _treaty_, that "being at war" is the only
: possible alternative? Thanks, Rich


They chased the Army out of Florida at one time. And despite many
being captured they have never agreed to end hostilities. But
fortunately for all of us, they haven't fallen to raiding lately.

Really, it's history....
 
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Ah, Okay!


"Rich Grise" wrote
: "Roger Gt" wrote
: > Lousy cropping. What, or who are you replying to and about
what?
: He's quoting me, about the time in 4th grade, when I asked the
teacher
: about the "Weekly Reader" party rag.
: >
: > "Dave VanHorn" <dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote in message
: > news:E_GdnYmIsMLijwrdRVn-sA@comcast.com...
: > : >: So I asked, "So, what's to guarantee that they're not
doing
: > this exact
: > : same thing to us?
: > : > : How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some
: > : > propaganda, just like they say they're doing to the poor
: > Russian kids?"
: > :
: > : So THAT's why you're on the list. I was never sure about
your
: > file. :)
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
: Cheers!
: Rich
:
:
 
"Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]

As an Englishman who goes to the US a lot one of the things I have
noticed
is the gaps in the education and the things that US children are not
taught
or told about. For example when I went to primary school (7 to 11
years) we
were taught all the American Indian tribes, where they came from
geographically, who was friends with whom and generally about their
lifestyle. I haven't met a single American who was taught it at school
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You have now.

which, to me, seems absurd. It seems that all americans know about the
pilgrim fathers which in terms of the whole picture was a fairly
insignificant event.
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In what way? Seems like with just about everything, the first ones are
the ones that get the glory.

This is not a dig at American education because I am sure the same
applies
to me, it's just that I can't see my gaps unless someone points them
out to
me.
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Duh. You can't know what you don't know. Nobody can.

As for being taught about native Americans, well, I remember being
taught about them in school. Not necessarily about all the tribes but
about some of the more common ones, such as Navajo and some of the
others in the western U.S. There are too many, so the emphasis was on
the ones that were here in California, especially the ones that were
involved with the Spanish Missions. Gabrieleno, Chumash, Ohlone, Miwuk,
just to name a few.

There could be more than one reason why the kids aren't taught more, one
being that they were treated shamefully. When I was in H.S. our history
teacher went to the library at UCLA, I believe it was, and checked out
old books from the mid 1800s and read selected paragraphs to us in
class. It showed now adversarial the situation was back then, with
settlers afraid they might get scalped by a 'savage'.

Anyway, that's enough of that, I said it just to prove that I've been
taught something, not to get any response from others, and I wouldn't
want anyone to reply thinking they would start an argument. This thread
has deteriorated to way past the point of the original topic that I
started. Damn, that really sucks.

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"Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley7@xprt.net> wrote in message
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"Mjolinor" ["an Englishman who goes to the US a lot"] wrote ...
I can only base it on the people I have talked to about it.
I suppose they tend to be mid 20s to mid 30s and hail from
the top right hand side (Boston, New York and surrounding
areas). Not exactly a representative sample I suppose but it
was just an example.

The USA is somewhat larger (amd more diverse) than the UK.
For that matter my little state (Oregon) is a bit larger than the
UK. Don't judge all of us by those NE elite snobs. :)


I thought every one in the US lived in the NE or Miami :)
Click to expand...

They live in Miami for awhile and then a hurricane comes along and blows
them away, and they're scattered back all over the U.S...
 
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