what a horrible data sheet

On Friday, 28 June 2019 17:19:18 UTC+1, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 12:12:25 PM UTC-4, tabby wrote:
On Thursday, 27 June 2019 17:01:04 UTC+1, Chris wrote:

Like insurance, antivirus software is selling fear, sucks system
resources and only needed by the careless...

Chris

Way back when I put an old win98 machine online for someone for 2 years with no firewall or AV, way past 1998, when 98 was described as being hopelessly vulnerable. A freebie machine for domestic use. It was left on 24/7 and used a lot. Checking it after 2 years showed it had zero malware. There are certainly risks out there, but many overstate them wildly for obvious reasons - firstly copmanies for profit & secondly individuals who think by quoting others they're knowledgeable.

I find that hard to believe unless there was something to stop the invasion.

Ie you believe what you were told. Oh well.

Sometime around 2002 or so there was a virus/trojan/other malware that would infect a computer even if it never viewed a web page or email. As soon as you connected to the Internet your IP would be found and you would be infected. I know this because I was trying to fix a friend's machine and kept forgetting to install the update to fix this vulnerability before I connected to the line (using a modem) and would be reinfected within a minute. lol

Maybe that bug has finally died off from being starved to death.
 
On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 09:09:31 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org>
wrote:

On 6/27/2019 9:05 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:35:57 -0700 (PDT), klaus.kragelund@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, 27 June 2019 13:34:42 UTC+2, klaus.k...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, 27 June 2019 00:12:50 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 14:19:13 -0700 (PDT), klaus.kragelund@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:22:12 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 08:11:22 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:31:16 UTC+1, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 2:43:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 06:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Klaus Kragelund
klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:

Just fill in the form on

https://www.diodes.com/about/contact-us/technical-support/

We have very good support from Diodes

Cheers

Klaus

There is no form, mostly a blank page. I'm running Firefox.

I hate forms anyhow. What's wrong with email?

Close out Firefox and restart it. If that doesn't work, reboot your machine. It's fine here.

I get the same issue at times. Some webpages just don't work on some machines.

There is no form, on my machine at work or the one at home.


If that form is not shown, then you need to update your browser, or switch to Chrome

It's safer and easier to switch to OnSemi.


It's dangerous to keep your system old, including browsers. Vulnerability holes are stuffed all the time, if you keep an old browser your system could be wide open to intruders

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox/

I'm glad that ECL gates don't get trojans.



What would an ECL gate do with a prophylactic?

To prevent voltage destruction. First available on the Signetics
25120.
 
On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:04:22 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:17:24 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 23:12:50 UTC+1, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 14:19:13 -0700 (PDT), klaus.kragelund@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:22:12 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 08:11:22 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:31:16 UTC+1, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 2:43:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 06:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Klaus Kragelund
klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:

Just fill in the form on

https://www.diodes.com/about/contact-us/technical-support/

We have very good support from Diodes

Cheers

Klaus

There is no form, mostly a blank page. I'm running Firefox.

I hate forms anyhow. What's wrong with email?

Close out Firefox and restart it. If that doesn't work, reboot your machine. It's fine here.

I get the same issue at times. Some webpages just don't work on some machines.

There is no form, on my machine at work or the one at home.


If that form is not shown, then you need to update your browser, or switch to Chrome

It's safer and easier to switch to OnSemi.


I don't really buy this 'you must update your everything' stuff. I totally could rant about it.


NT

I don't mind Firefox updating itself pretty often. I don't like when
they change the ui and cosmetics for no reason, just to be different.

The alternative is to trust Google or Microsoft. As if!

The trend in UIs lately is to make everything shades of grey, like
cars. Maybe some people can't afford color monitors (or pigments in
paint?)

Worse, the new "color" schemes are very hard on the eyes. I just had
to use our travel expense accounting system. The text is dark gray on
light gray. I couldn't see the text so it took three tries (boss had
to reject it three times) before I got the accounting numbers right. I
couldn't see the numbers. What happened to contrast?
 
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 13:10:51 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 12:34:37 -0700 (PDT), "John Miles, KE5FX"
jmiles@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 6:23:21 PM UTC-7, Winfield Hill wrote:
You could ohm it out. Parts like this require
a hands-on before you make the footprint anyway.


That's what I did with the MCP23S18 I mentioned in the other message.
It'd be clear enough if the resistance to ground were effectively infinite
or in the Gohm range, or if it was obviously tied to the other ground pins.
But what am I supposed to do if it's on the order of 1 Mohm? The pad is
clearly connected to *something* internal, but they can't be bothered to
elaborate.

It's all too common for data sheets to not mention the paddle, or hide
it in some fine print somewhere. We always asign it a pin number and
show it on the schematic decal.


I guess I'm supposed to make assumptions about the electrical properties
of their (currently-used) substrate material.

-- john, KE5FX

Exactly. What would I ohm the pad to? Assumed ESD diodes?

No response from Diodes so far.

I get good response from Diodes. If I call with a question or ask for
samples, the sales rep shows up in a few days and takes me to lunch,
too. ;-)
One bad data sheet can spin off hundreds of support requests, or
hundreds of design failures. That's not smart.

Or a lunch or two, which is. ;-)

I'm going to use MC10EP parts instead of the Pericom/Diodes thing.
They are dual-sourced and have good data sheets. Slower, though.
 
On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 11:18:56 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:04:22 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:17:24 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 23:12:50 UTC+1, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 14:19:13 -0700 (PDT), klaus.kragelund@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:22:12 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 08:11:22 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:31:16 UTC+1, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 2:43:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 06:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Klaus Kragelund
klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:

Just fill in the form on

https://www.diodes.com/about/contact-us/technical-support/

We have very good support from Diodes

Cheers

Klaus

There is no form, mostly a blank page. I'm running Firefox.

I hate forms anyhow. What's wrong with email?

Close out Firefox and restart it. If that doesn't work, reboot your machine. It's fine here.

I get the same issue at times. Some webpages just don't work on some machines.

There is no form, on my machine at work or the one at home.


If that form is not shown, then you need to update your browser, or switch to Chrome

It's safer and easier to switch to OnSemi.


I don't really buy this 'you must update your everything' stuff. I totally could rant about it.


NT

I don't mind Firefox updating itself pretty often. I don't like when
they change the ui and cosmetics for no reason, just to be different.

The alternative is to trust Google or Microsoft. As if!

The trend in UIs lately is to make everything shades of grey, like
cars. Maybe some people can't afford color monitors (or pigments in
paint?)

Worse, the new "color" schemes are very hard on the eyes. I just had
to use our travel expense accounting system. The text is dark gray on
light gray. I couldn't see the text so it took three tries (boss had
to reject it three times) before I got the accounting numbers right. I
couldn't see the numbers. What happened to contrast?

Sometimes you can sweep the mouse to highlight text and make it more
legible.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics
 
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:19:14 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 12:12:25 PM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, 27 June 2019 17:01:04 UTC+1, Chris wrote:
On 06/27/19 12:34, klaus.kragelund@gmail.com wrote:


It's dangerous to keep your system old, including browsers. Vulnerability holes are stuffed all the time, if you keep an old browser your system could be wide open to intruders

Cheers

Klaus

I think that risk is overplayed. If you have good firewalling and
are sensible about the sites you visit, disable script in the email
client and delete / never click content on email the don't recognise
there's little risk for the average user, Major commercial sites
are always at risk, but have never used antivirus software here
and have not had any problems in over 10 years.

Like insurance, antivirus software is selling fear, sucks system
resources and only needed by the careless...

Chris

Way back when I put an old win98 machine online for someone for 2 years with no firewall or AV, way past 1998, when 98 was described as being hopelessly vulnerable. A freebie machine for domestic use. It was left on 24/7 and used a lot. Checking it after 2 years showed it had zero malware. There are certainly risks out there, but many overstate them wildly for obvious reasons - firstly copmanies for profit & secondly individuals who think by quoting others they're knowledgeable.

I find that hard to believe unless there was something to stop the invasion. Sometime around 2002 or so there was a virus/trojan/other malware that would infect a computer even if it never viewed a web page or email. As soon as you connected to the Internet your IP would be found and you would be infected. I know this because I was trying to fix a friend's machine and kept forgetting to install the update to fix this vulnerability before I connected to the line (using a modem) and would be reinfected within a minute. lol

Every Windows version has a number of server processes with listening
ports waiting for TCP/IP connection. The intension is that client
processes running in the same computer or in the company domain make a
TCP/IP connection request to the server listening port. The server
process itself seldom makes proper parameter checks or any user
authentication.

The problem was that in older Windows versions all these listening
ports were visible to the external world via Internet. Any external
malware knowing the (usually standardized) port number for various
servers could connect to the server listening port and send malformed
requests to the server process.

In later Windows versions, there is a firewall installed by default,
which makes those listening ports invisible to the external world,
thus the malware can no longer connect.

If it is the intension is to run a server process visible to the
external world, a hole must be made to the firewall. Hopefully this
server process makes proper request validation and possibly user
authentication.

>Maybe that bug has finally died off from being starved to death.

If some very old Windows version does no longer become infected today
is that the malware writers assume that there are no more unpatched
systems after a decade or two, so it is not worth trying to connect to
these server ports.
 
On Saturday, 29 June 2019 19:39:14 UTC+1, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:19:14 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 12:12:25 PM UTC-4, tabby wrote:

Way back when I put an old win98 machine online for someone for 2 years with no firewall or AV, way past 1998, when 98 was described as being hopelessly vulnerable. A freebie machine for domestic use. It was left on 24/7 and used a lot. Checking it after 2 years showed it had zero malware. There are certainly risks out there, but many overstate them wildly for obvious reasons - firstly copmanies for profit & secondly individuals who think by quoting others they're knowledgeable.

I find that hard to believe unless there was something to stop the invasion. Sometime around 2002 or so there was a virus/trojan/other malware that would infect a computer even if it never viewed a web page or email. As soon as you connected to the Internet your IP would be found and you would be infected. I know this because I was trying to fix a friend's machine and kept forgetting to install the update to fix this vulnerability before I connected to the line (using a modem) and would be reinfected within a minute. lol

Every Windows version has a number of server processes with listening
ports waiting for TCP/IP connection. The intension is that client
processes running in the same computer or in the company domain make a
TCP/IP connection request to the server listening port. The server
process itself seldom makes proper parameter checks or any user
authentication.

The problem was that in older Windows versions all these listening
ports were visible to the external world via Internet. Any external
malware knowing the (usually standardized) port number for various
servers could connect to the server listening port and send malformed
requests to the server process.

In later Windows versions, there is a firewall installed by default,
which makes those listening ports invisible to the external world,
thus the malware can no longer connect.

If it is the intension is to run a server process visible to the
external world, a hole must be made to the firewall. Hopefully this
server process makes proper request validation and possibly user
authentication.

Maybe that bug has finally died off from being starved to death.

If some very old Windows version does no longer become infected today
is that the malware writers assume that there are no more unpatched
systems after a decade or two, so it is not worth trying to connect to
these server ports.

Win-dos was fundamentally unsecurable. It was like a house with no back wall. It was a compromise that was thought to be reasonable in 98, but proved to be a security disaster. Nonetheless a lot of folk used it without getting malwared - and too many did get bit.


NT
 
On 6/29/2019 10:18 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
[snip]
There is no form, mostly a blank page. I'm running Firefox.

I hate forms anyhow. What's wrong with email?

Close out Firefox and restart it. If that doesn't work, reboot your machine. It's fine here.

I get the same issue at times. Some webpages just don't work on some machines.

[snip]

Sometimes an ad blocker can cause these problems.
 
On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:56:01 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 11:18:56 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:04:22 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:17:24 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 23:12:50 UTC+1, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 14:19:13 -0700 (PDT), klaus.kragelund@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:22:12 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 08:11:22 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:31:16 UTC+1, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 2:43:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 06:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Klaus Kragelund
klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:

Just fill in the form on

https://www.diodes.com/about/contact-us/technical-support/

We have very good support from Diodes

Cheers

Klaus

There is no form, mostly a blank page. I'm running Firefox.

I hate forms anyhow. What's wrong with email?

Close out Firefox and restart it. If that doesn't work, reboot your machine. It's fine here.

I get the same issue at times. Some webpages just don't work on some machines.

There is no form, on my machine at work or the one at home.


If that form is not shown, then you need to update your browser, or switch to Chrome

It's safer and easier to switch to OnSemi.


I don't really buy this 'you must update your everything' stuff. I totally could rant about it.


NT

I don't mind Firefox updating itself pretty often. I don't like when
they change the ui and cosmetics for no reason, just to be different.

The alternative is to trust Google or Microsoft. As if!

The trend in UIs lately is to make everything shades of grey, like
cars. Maybe some people can't afford color monitors (or pigments in
paint?)

Worse, the new "color" schemes are very hard on the eyes. I just had
to use our travel expense accounting system. The text is dark gray on
light gray. I couldn't see the text so it took three tries (boss had
to reject it three times) before I got the accounting numbers right. I
couldn't see the numbers. What happened to contrast?

Sometimes you can sweep the mouse to highlight text and make it more
legible.

This was a drop-down. No highlights allowed. I see web sites that
have dark-dark red on dark red. Can't read it at all.
 
On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 11:18:56 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:04:22 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:17:24 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 23:12:50 UTC+1, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 14:19:13 -0700 (PDT), klaus.kragelund@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:22:12 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 08:11:22 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:31:16 UTC+1, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 2:43:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 06:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Klaus Kragelund
klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:

Just fill in the form on

https://www.diodes.com/about/contact-us/technical-support/

We have very good support from Diodes

Cheers

Klaus

There is no form, mostly a blank page. I'm running Firefox.

I hate forms anyhow. What's wrong with email?

Close out Firefox and restart it. If that doesn't work, reboot your machine. It's fine here.

I get the same issue at times. Some webpages just don't work on some machines.

There is no form, on my machine at work or the one at home.


If that form is not shown, then you need to update your browser, or switch to Chrome

It's safer and easier to switch to OnSemi.


I don't really buy this 'you must update your everything' stuff. I totally could rant about it.


NT

I don't mind Firefox updating itself pretty often. I don't like when
they change the ui and cosmetics for no reason, just to be different.

The alternative is to trust Google or Microsoft. As if!

The trend in UIs lately is to make everything shades of grey, like
cars. Maybe some people can't afford color monitors (or pigments in
paint?)

Worse, the new "color" schemes are very hard on the eyes. I just had
to use our travel expense accounting system. The text is dark gray on
light gray. I couldn't see the text so it took three tries (boss had
to reject it three times) before I got the accounting numbers right. I
couldn't see the numbers. What happened to contrast?

Sometimes you can sweep the mouse to highlight text and make it more
legible.

Or use reader mode in Firefox which makes it very legible by ignoring most of the formatting including the bad colors. F9 on your keyboard if you are too lazy to click.

--

Rick C.

++- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 3:48:51 AM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, 28 June 2019 17:19:18 UTC+1, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 12:12:25 PM UTC-4, tabby wrote:
On Thursday, 27 June 2019 17:01:04 UTC+1, Chris wrote:

Like insurance, antivirus software is selling fear, sucks system
resources and only needed by the careless...

Chris

Way back when I put an old win98 machine online for someone for 2 years with no firewall or AV, way past 1998, when 98 was described as being hopelessly vulnerable. A freebie machine for domestic use. It was left on 24/7 and used a lot. Checking it after 2 years showed it had zero malware. There are certainly risks out there, but many overstate them wildly for obvious reasons - firstly copmanies for profit & secondly individuals who think by quoting others they're knowledgeable.

I find that hard to believe unless there was something to stop the invasion.

Ie you believe what you were told. Oh well.

Sometime around 2002 or so there was a virus/trojan/other malware that would infect a computer even if it never viewed a web page or email. As soon as you connected to the Internet your IP would be found and you would be infected. I know this because I was trying to fix a friend's machine and kept forgetting to install the update to fix this vulnerability before I connected to the line (using a modem) and would be reinfected within a minute.. lol

Maybe that bug has finally died off from being starved to death.

I assume your post was a typo? It makes no sense.

--

Rick C.

+-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 

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