Weller heating element problem

[kreed]

On Apr 11, 8:59 pm, "Gagi-9a6aag" <g...@hi.htnet.hr> wrote:

"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote

Our nazi government banned light bulbs - so except for those that are
left, this won't be a problem in the future.

since when??
it must be some recent decission?!?

Over a year ago the ban came into force in Australia, and was talked
about for some years before that. Only special types of incandescent
are allowed to be imported or sold

Do you have all that fraudulent rubbish over there about "carbon
dioxide gas destroying the world and making it warm up/cool down ?

 

[Gagi-9a6aag]

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a5653cb8-3b7c-4b50-8eb7-77517e14ce82@y31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 11, 8:59 pm, "Gagi-9a6aag" <g...@hi.htnet.hr> wrote:

"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote

Our nazi government banned light bulbs - so except for those that are
left, this won't be a problem in the future.

since when??
it must be some recent decission?!?

Over a year ago the ban came into force in Australia, and was talked
about for some years before that. Only special types of incandescent
are allowed to be imported or sold

Do you have all that fraudulent rubbish over there about "carbon
dioxide gas destroying the world and making it warm up/cool down ?

yes, true...we also have such propaganda about CO2 emission....co, the
wolfram light bulbs ban will reduce emission of CO2 coz of less energy that
will be wasted...blah, blah...but honestly...i highly doubt this will be
banned in entire Europe for the next 10 years...especially not in Croatia...


anyway...that CO2 problem related to light bulbs is complete deception
thing...normal light bulbs production line can be established in almost
every country...and production material is available all around the world
easily.....unlike energy saving fluo lights that are usually produced at far
east countries and industrial production line for them is much more complex
and requires sophisticated aproach in general...so, all those elements used
for energy save bulbs and its electronics plus transportation from "China"
to all the round the world is using 10 times more energy to be delivered to
end users hands then he normal one light bulb...


and this is how Weller goes to OT ))

 

[Trevor Wilson]

kreed wrote:

On Apr 11, 8:59 pm, "Gagi-9a6aag" <g...@hi.htnet.hr> wrote:
"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote

Our nazi government banned light bulbs - so except for those that
are left, this won't be a problem in the future.

since when??
it must be some recent decission?!?



Over a year ago the ban came into force in Australia, and was talked
about for some years before that. Only special types of incandescent
are allowed to be imported or sold

Do you have all that fraudulent rubbish over there about "carbon
dioxide gas destroying the world and making it warm up/cool down ?

**Huh? So, you are suggestnig that these guys:

http://www.ipcc.ch/

http://www.csiro.au/resources/pfbg.html

http://climate.nasa.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Ayers

Are all wrong? And these guys (fuckwits, one and all):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott (Religious fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell (Religious fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_(radio_broadcaster) (plain old
fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Minchin (Religious fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley
(Religious fuckwit)

Are all right?

You're nuts if you want us to believe that the religious loonies are right
and all the highly qualified scientists are wrong.

I suggest you get your head out of the sand.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

Eurowasp wrote:

On Apr 11, 11:39 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
kreed wrote:
On Apr 11, 8:59 pm, "Gagi-9a6aag" <g...@hi.htnet.hr> wrote:
"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote

Our nazi government banned light bulbs - so except for those that
are left, this won't be a problem in the future.

since when??
it must be some recent decission?!?

Over a year ago the ban came into force in Australia, and was talked
about for some years before that. Only special types of incandescent
are allowed to be imported or sold

Do you have all that fraudulent rubbish over there about "carbon
dioxide gas destroying the world and making it warm up/cool down ?

**Huh? So, you are suggestnig that these guys:

http://www.ipcc.ch/

http://www.csiro.au/resources/pfbg.html

http://climate.nasa.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Ayers

Are all wrong? And these guys (fuckwits, one and all):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott(Religious fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell(Religious fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_(radio_broadcaster) (plain
old fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Minchin(Religious fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monck...
(Religious fuckwit)

Are all right?

It is still controversial.

**No, it is not. That would be like saying that health issues related to
smoking is still controversial. The only people who still maintain that
health problems associated with smoking are tobacco companies. Same deal
with AGW. The only people who maintain that AGW is controversial are those
who work for or are paid by the fossil fuel industry, Catholics, or those
who can't be bothered reading the science.

THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY.

You're nuts if you want us to believe that the religious loonies are
right and all the highly qualified scientists are wrong.

I suggest you get your head out of the sand.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

You are also nuts if you think all highly qualified scientists support
the IPCC position.

**I don't. I am well aware that almost all the climatologists accept the
facts of AGW. I am also aware that scientists from unrelated disciplines
have stated that they dispute the facts. Of course, since climate science is
beyond their field of experience, their opinions are hardly valid.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[atec77]

On 13/04/2011 9:09 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

Eurowasp wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:39 pm, "Trevor Wilson"<tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
kreed wrote:
On Apr 11, 8:59 pm, "Gagi-9a6aag"<g...@hi.htnet.hr> wrote:
"kreed"<kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote

Our nazi government banned light bulbs - so except for those that
are left, this won't be a problem in the future.

since when??
it must be some recent decission?!?

Over a year ago the ban came into force in Australia, and was talked
about for some years before that. Only special types of incandescent
are allowed to be imported or sold

Do you have all that fraudulent rubbish over there about "carbon
dioxide gas destroying the world and making it warm up/cool down ?

**Huh? So, you are suggestnig that these guys:

http://www.ipcc.ch/

http://www.csiro.au/resources/pfbg.html

http://climate.nasa.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Ayers

Are all wrong? And these guys (fuckwits, one and all):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott(Religious fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell(Religious fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_(radio_broadcaster) (plain
old fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Minchin(Religious fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monck...
(Religious fuckwit)

Are all right?

It is still controversial.

**No, it is not. That would be like saying that health issues related to
smoking is still controversial. The only people who still maintain that
health problems associated with smoking are tobacco companies. Same deal
with AGW. The only people who maintain that AGW is controversial are those
who work for or are paid by the fossil fuel industry, Catholics, or those
who can't be bothered reading the science.

THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY.



You're nuts if you want us to believe that the religious loonies are
right and all the highly qualified scientists are wrong.

I suggest you get your head out of the sand.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

You are also nuts if you think all highly qualified scientists support
the IPCC position.

**I don't. I am well aware that almost all the climatologists accept the
facts of AGW. I am also aware that scientists from unrelated disciplines
have stated that they dispute the facts. Of course, since climate science is
beyond their field of experience, their opinions are hardly valid.


Racial vilification is going to cause you problems tweva , best stop it .

--
X-No-Archive: Yes

 

[Eurowasp]

On Apr 11, 11:39 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

kreed wrote:
On Apr 11, 8:59 pm, "Gagi-9a6aag" <g...@hi.htnet.hr> wrote:
"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote

Our nazi government banned light bulbs - so except for those that
are left, this won't be a problem in the future.

since when??
it must be some recent decission?!?

Over a year ago the ban came into force in Australia, and was talked
about for some years before that.  Only special types of incandescent
are allowed to be imported or sold

Do you have all that fraudulent rubbish over there about "carbon
dioxide gas destroying the world and making it warm up/cool down ?

**Huh? So, you are suggestnig that these guys:

http://www.ipcc.ch/

http://www.csiro.au/resources/pfbg.html

http://climate.nasa.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Ayers

Are all wrong? And these guys (fuckwits, one and all):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott(Religious fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell(Religious fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_(radio_broadcaster) (plain old
fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Minchin(Religious fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monck...
(Religious fuckwit)

Are all right?

It is still controversial.

You're nuts if you want us to believe that the religious loonies are right
and all the highly qualified scientists are wrong.

I suggest you get your head out of the sand.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

You are also nuts if you think all highly qualified scientists support
the IPCC position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

 

[who where]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:51:20 +0800, "Dennis" <Dennis@blibber.com>
wrote:

"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message
news:auo4q6td4plus89usl57999jq9oji295n8@4ax.com...
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:55:37 -0700 (PDT), kreed
kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 10, 6:03 pm, Art Vanderlay <nos...@thank.you.very.much> wrote:
Hi all,

My Weller soldering iron heater carked it recently (TC208 24v 42w) so
after testing found that the heating element was open circuit.

This was no big deal, just went to my local industrial supply place that
deals with Cooper Tools (the Weller Distributor) and ordered a new one.
I have done this previously in the past with no problems.

I received a phone call from my dealer telling me that Cooper Tools
wouldn't sell them a replacement element "as it was dangerous" and that
the iron had to be sent to them for repairs. This is not a warranty
claim- the iron is about 20 years old.

Has anyone else come across this type of crap from Cooper Tools or can I
be pointed to somewhere that sells these items without hassle.

I've tried to support the local Australian distributors and will
probably end up buying it from a US source without drama.

Thanks.

Farnell (now element 14)

I have had problems with these too, the elements seem to last a couple
of years and then just go open circuit. Not good.

Solved the problem by buying an Ersa and later a Hakko 936. Never
looked back.

Interestingly, my Weller W-TCP-D dates back to 1975 (and was a present
from my wife-to-be!). Since then it has seen much hobby use, together
with running a small service operation and occasional production
pcb-stuffing.

In that time, I have had one element failure (replacement ex WES was
~$A30) and have probably devoured ten or so tips. The iron is NOT
left turned on when not required.



If I had it to do all over again, I'd do it all over again.


Which, the iron or the wife?

Both!

 

[who where]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:43:44 -0700 (PDT), kreed
<kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 11, 2:51 pm, "Dennis" <Den...@blibber.com> wrote:
"who where" <no...@home.net> wrote in message

news:auo4q6td4plus89usl57999jq9oji295n8@4ax.com...



On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:55:37 -0700 (PDT), kreed
kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 10, 6:03 pm, Art Vanderlay <nos...@thank.you.very.much> wrote:
Hi all,

My Weller soldering iron heater carked it recently (TC208 24v 42w) so
after testing found that the heating element was open circuit.

This was no big deal, just went to my local industrial supply place that
deals with Cooper Tools (the Weller Distributor) and ordered a new one.
I have done this previously in the past with no problems.

I received a phone call from my dealer telling me that Cooper Tools
wouldn't sell them a replacement element "as it was dangerous" and that
the iron had to be sent to them for repairs. This is not a warranty
claim- the iron is about 20 years old.

Has anyone else come across this type of crap from Cooper Tools or can I
be pointed to somewhere that sells these items without hassle.

I've tried to support the local Australian distributors and will
probably end up buying it from a US source without drama.

Thanks.

Farnell (now element 14)

I have had problems with these too, the elements seem to last a couple
of years and then just go open circuit. Not good.

Solved the problem by buying an Ersa and later a Hakko 936.  Never
looked back.

Interestingly, my Weller W-TCP-D dates back to 1975 (and was a present
from my wife-to-be!).  Since then it has seen much hobby use, together
with running a small service operation and occasional production
pcb-stuffing.

In that time, I have had one element failure (replacement ex WES was
~$A30) and have probably devoured ten or so tips.  The iron is NOT
left turned on when not required.

If I had it to do all over again, I'd do it all over again.

Which, the iron or the wife?                

If the wife buys him a soldering iron as a present, then that is one
hell of a woman

Agreed. She actually asked a close mate for a suggestion, and figured
that would be the go

Got it right in spades, previously I had a Scope - good for soldering
gutters and heatsinks - and a tweety little constant power 12V 20W
thing that sometimes froze up in a blob of solder.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

kreed wrote:

On Apr 13, 7:48 am, Eurowasp <siliconslin...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:39 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:



kreed wrote:
On Apr 11, 8:59 pm, "Gagi-9a6aag" <g...@hi.htnet.hr> wrote:
"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote

Our nazi government banned light bulbs - so except for those that
are left, this won't be a problem in the future.

since when??
it must be some recent decission?!?

Over a year ago the ban came into force in Australia, and was
talked about for some years before that. Only special types of
incandescent are allowed to be imported or sold

Do you have all that fraudulent rubbish over there about "carbon
dioxide gas destroying the world and making it warm up/cool down ?

**Huh? So, you are suggestnig that these guys:

http://www.ipcc.ch/

http://www.csiro.au/resources/pfbg.html

http://climate.nasa.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Ayers

Are all wrong? And these guys (fuckwits, one and all):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott(Religiousfuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell(Religiousfuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_(radio_broadcaster) (plain
old fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Minchin(Religiousfuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monck...
(Religious fuckwit)

Are all right?

It is still controversial.

You're nuts if you want us to believe that the religious loonies
are right and all the highly qualified scientists are wrong.

I suggest you get your head out of the sand.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

You are also nuts if you think all highly qualified scientists
support the IPCC position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scien...



Don't waste your time trying to change Trevor's mind on this - he
follows
this fraud literally like a religion.

**Fraud? WTF? You manage to ignore the massive weight of science and accept
what Tony Abbott, George Pell, Alan Jones and Monckton tell you. And you
have the temerity to refer to the science of climate physics as a religion.

Here's an idea for you:

Contact this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Ayers

He is the boss of the Bureau of Meteorology. Send him a clear description of
why you think he is wrong about AGW. Publish your response here:

---


---

Unlike you, Tony Abbott, Monckton, Pell and Alan Jones, Greg Ayers has
worked in the area of atmospheric physics for decades. UNlike you, he knows
his stuff. However, I'll play your game. Describe your theory that explains
the warming this planet has experienced over the last 150 years.

Even though the game is clearly

coming to an end for
these climate scammers (that few people believe anymore, as can be
seen with the backlash to Julia's carbon tax)
some hardcore groupies like him still push this theory.

**Er and this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Ayers

Send him a copy of your theory and get back to us with his response. I'll
wait.

The Rothchild or similar banking crime families came up with the idea
of these
"dirty air scares" in the 1960's in order to profit and control.
(including controlling
vital resources such as coal and oil and maximising profit).

**Huh? Are you suggesting that the pollution afflicting most major cities in
the 1960s was healthy? Better explain that too. Pay particular attention to
the medical data.

When you own or control the lion's share of the world's wealth - you
can make any "scientific" or other theory or policy you want - real
even if it isn't. You just fund those who will assist in pushing your
views, and destroy those who don't.

**Indeed> Like these guys are doing and have done for decades:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_brothers

For decades, the Koch family have poured billions of Dollars (the group
income runs to around $100 billion PA) into right wing 'think tanks' and
associated organisations that seek to discredit AGW, air pollution and any
other person or group that threatens their bottom line. People like you have
sucked up their lies, without thinking. Congratulations. Light up a
cigarette. After all, they're good for you. NOT!

The same applies to governments. They get in and stay in when they do
as they are told. Julia
is just following orders, but it has been left too late. Fewer and
fewer Australians believe any more
and hopefully it will be enough to stop this rot.

**Rot? You mean: science?

You have about as much chance of changing Trev's mind on this
as you do of convincing hardcore religious people that their beliefs
are wrong.
It is the same theory.

**I follow the science. I have no interest in your inability to understand
it.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[kreed]

On Apr 13, 7:48 am, Eurowasp <siliconslin...@googlemail.com> wrote:

On Apr 11, 11:39 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:



kreed wrote:
On Apr 11, 8:59 pm, "Gagi-9a6aag" <g...@hi.htnet.hr> wrote:
"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote

Our nazi government banned light bulbs - so except for those that
are left, this won't be a problem in the future.

since when??
it must be some recent decission?!?

Over a year ago the ban came into force in Australia, and was talked
about for some years before that.  Only special types of incandescent
are allowed to be imported or sold

Do you have all that fraudulent rubbish over there about "carbon
dioxide gas destroying the world and making it warm up/cool down ?

**Huh? So, you are suggestnig that these guys:

http://www.ipcc.ch/

http://www.csiro.au/resources/pfbg.html

http://climate.nasa.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Ayers

Are all wrong? And these guys (fuckwits, one and all):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott(Religiousfuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell(Religiousfuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_(radio_broadcaster) (plain old
fuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Minchin(Religiousfuckwit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monck...
(Religious fuckwit)

Are all right?

It is still controversial.

You're nuts if you want us to believe that the religious loonies are right
and all the highly qualified scientists are wrong.

I suggest you get your head out of the sand.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

You are also nuts if you think all highly qualified scientists support
the IPCC position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scien...

Don't waste your time trying to change Trevor's mind on this - he
follows
this fraud literally like a religion. Even though the game is clearly
coming to an end for
these climate scammers (that few people believe anymore, as can be
seen with the backlash to Julia's carbon tax)
some hardcore groupies like him still push this theory.

The Rothchild or similar banking crime families came up with the idea
of these
"dirty air scares" in the 1960's in order to profit and control.
(including controlling
vital resources such as coal and oil and maximising profit).
When you own or control the lion's share of the world's wealth - you
can make any "scientific" or other theory or policy you want - real
even if it isn't. You just fund those who will assist in pushing your
views, and destroy those who don't.

The same applies to governments. They get in and stay in when they do
as they are told. Julia
is just following orders, but it has been left too late. Fewer and
fewer Australians believe any more
and hopefully it will be enough to stop this rot.


You have about as much chance of changing Trev's mind on this
as you do of convincing hardcore religious people that their beliefs
are wrong.
It is the same theory.

 

[Ross Herbert]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:39:06 +1000, "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

:Tom wrote:
:> On 10/04/2011 8:20 PM, Art Vanderlay wrote:
:>> Tom wrote:
:>>> On 10/04/2011 6:03 PM, Art Vanderlay wrote:
:>>>> Hi all,
:>>>>
:>>>> My Weller soldering iron heater carked it recently (TC208 24v 42w)
:>>>> so after testing found that the heating element was open circuit.
:>>>>
:>>>> This was no big deal, just went to my local industrial supply place
:>>>> that deals with Cooper Tools (the Weller Distributor) and ordered a
:>>>> new one. I have done this previously in the past with no problems.
:>>>>
:>>>> I received a phone call from my dealer telling me that Cooper Tools
:>>>> wouldn't sell them a replacement element "as it was dangerous" and
:>>>> that the iron had to be sent to them for repairs. This is not a
:>>>> warranty claim- the iron is about 20 years old.
:>>>>
:>>>> Has anyone else come across this type of crap from Cooper Tools or
:>>>> can I be pointed to somewhere that sells these items without
:>>>> hassle. I've tried to support the local Australian distributors and
:>>>> will
:>>>> probably end up buying it from a US source without drama.
:>>>>
:>>>> Thanks.
:>>>
:>>> Buy a new Hakko, I want to buy one but my 10 years old (previous
:>>> model) Hakko doesn't want to break down...
:>>> Tom
:>> Buying a new iron is certainly looking like an option. It's
:>> unfortunate though as I've had this one for a long time and really
:>> like it as an iron. Tips etc have never been a problem. Sounds like
:>> Hakko is a brand of choice as an alternative as several repliers
:>> suggest this brand. I'll have a look into these. Thanks to everyone for
:>> their input.
:>
:> We use Hakko at my work, they last a long time. We have some very old
:> models going strong after years and parts seems not a problem. My own
:> at home is 7-8 years old and had not one problem yet but it only get
:> hobby use.
:> Funny enough my company is part of Cooper but to get Weller tools from
:> sister company we would have to go through lot of paperwork and wait
:> few months, we order Hakko tools or parts and they arrive next day.
:
:**Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. The best side cutters I have ever
wned (and I've owned most of the premium brands) was made in the US by the
wait for it) Diamond Tool and Horseshoe Company. Seriously tough cutting
:edge that lasts for years. Well made and modestly priced (about 50% cheaper
:than the Swedish stuff). When it came time to replace my cutters a few years
:back, I looked everywhere and couldn't locate a replacement. I finally
:tracked them down. Cooper Tools had bought out the company and shut them
:down. Cooper kindly offered to sell me their replacement, which I tried and
:rejected. More Cooper Tools crap.
:
:I now avoid ALL Cooper Tools products where possible. Bastards.


I remember having a pair of Diamond Tool brand 4-1/2" side-cutters way back in
the 60's and they were the hardest edged blade I had come across. Somebody
unoficially "borrowed" (stole) them and I never got them back.

In the mid 70's Diamond Tool branded their side cutters Diamalloy and while
Diamond no longer exists you can occasionally pick up a bargain on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-DIAMALLOY-TOOLS-FLUSH-CUT-SHEARS-PLIERS-CUTTER-USA-/380324736817?pt=Pliers&hash=item588d1eef31

I still have a near new pair of circa 1970's Diamalloy 4" side cutters and while
they are good they aren't quite as hard as the old 60's era product and they
don't use a boxed joint.

Other good brands no longer in existence or subsumed by the bigger tool makers
were Vanaloy (USA now gone), Ahrem (Germany now gone), Elliot Lucas (now Spear &
Jackson owned and not as good) and one unknown brand simply stamped "K B B".
These all used extremely well made boxed joints and good hard steel. Lindstrom
(Sweden) http://www.lindstromtools.com/index.htm are still going but their
cutters are no longer forged nor do they use boxed joints. These days they use
rivet or screw joints which are not nearly as good as boxed. They are also
expensive out here.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

Ross Herbert wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:39:06 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

Tom wrote:
On 10/04/2011 8:20 PM, Art Vanderlay wrote:
Tom wrote:
On 10/04/2011 6:03 PM, Art Vanderlay wrote:
Hi all,

My Weller soldering iron heater carked it recently (TC208 24v
42w) so after testing found that the heating element was open
circuit.

This was no big deal, just went to my local industrial supply
place that deals with Cooper Tools (the Weller Distributor) and
ordered a new one. I have done this previously in the past with
no problems.

I received a phone call from my dealer telling me that Cooper
Tools wouldn't sell them a replacement element "as it was
dangerous" and that the iron had to be sent to them for repairs.
This is not a warranty claim- the iron is about 20 years old.

Has anyone else come across this type of crap from Cooper Tools
or can I be pointed to somewhere that sells these items without
hassle. I've tried to support the local Australian distributors
and will
probably end up buying it from a US source without drama.

Thanks.

Buy a new Hakko, I want to buy one but my 10 years old (previous
model) Hakko doesn't want to break down...
Tom
Buying a new iron is certainly looking like an option. It's
unfortunate though as I've had this one for a long time and really
like it as an iron. Tips etc have never been a problem. Sounds like
Hakko is a brand of choice as an alternative as several repliers
suggest this brand. I'll have a look into these. Thanks to
everyone for their input.

We use Hakko at my work, they last a long time. We have some very
old models going strong after years and parts seems not a problem.
My own at home is 7-8 years old and had not one problem yet but it
only get hobby use.
Funny enough my company is part of Cooper but to get Weller tools
from sister company we would have to go through lot of paperwork
and wait few months, we order Hakko tools or parts and they arrive
next day.

:**Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. The best side cutters I have
ever
owned (and I've owned most of the premium brands) was made in the US
by the
wait for it) Diamond Tool and Horseshoe Company. Seriously tough
cutting
edge that lasts for years. Well made and modestly priced (about 50%
cheaper than the Swedish stuff). When it came time to replace my
cutters a few years back, I looked everywhere and couldn't locate a
replacement. I finally tracked them down. Cooper Tools had bought
out the company and shut them down. Cooper kindly offered to sell me
their replacement, which I tried and rejected. More Cooper Tools
crap.

I now avoid ALL Cooper Tools products where possible. Bastards.


I remember having a pair of Diamond Tool brand 4-1/2" side-cutters
way back in the 60's and they were the hardest edged blade I had come
across. Somebody unoficially "borrowed" (stole) them and I never got
them back.

**They're ones. I asked my brother to sharpen my last set. He swore at me. A
hard edge has one big downside, when it comes to sharpening the blade.

In the mid 70's Diamond Tool branded their side cutters Diamalloy and
while Diamond no longer exists you can occasionally pick up a bargain
on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-DIAMALLOY-TOOLS-FLUSH-CUT-SHEARS-PLIERS-CUTTER-USA-/380324736817?pt=Pliers&hash=item588d1eef31

**Thanks for spotting that. Looks like a bargain for the price. Even
allowing for freight.

I still have a near new pair of circa 1970's Diamalloy 4" side
cutters and while they are good they aren't quite as hard as the old
60's era product and they don't use a boxed joint.

Other good brands no longer in existence or subsumed by the bigger
tool makers were Vanaloy (USA now gone), Ahrem (Germany now gone),
Elliot Lucas (now Spear & Jackson owned and not as good) and one
unknown brand simply stamped "K B B". These all used extremely well
made boxed joints and good hard steel. Lindstrom (Sweden)
http://www.lindstromtools.com/index.htm are still going but their
cutters are no longer forged nor do they use boxed joints. These days
they use rivet or screw joints which are not nearly as good as boxed.
They are also expensive out here.

**Bloody oath.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 04/13/11 13:48, Ross Herbert wrote:

I remember having a pair of Diamond Tool brand 4-1/2" side-cutters way back in
the 60's and they were the hardest edged blade I had come across.

I like my orthodontic wire-cutters. Box jointed, carbide-tipped,
stainless-steel, made in Germany for clipping hardened high-tensile wires.

I guess they were expensive too, except my father was an orthodontist.

You might find <http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/12211575/Orthodontic_Plier_Heavy_Duty_With_T.html>
or something like it that works for you.

Clifford Heath.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

Clifford Heath wrote:

On 04/13/11 13:48, Ross Herbert wrote:
I remember having a pair of Diamond Tool brand 4-1/2" side-cutters
way back in the 60's and they were the hardest edged blade I had
come across.

I like my orthodontic wire-cutters. Box jointed, carbide-tipped,
stainless-steel, made in Germany for clipping hardened high-tensile
wires.
I guess they were expensive too, except my father was an orthodontist.

You might find
http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/12211575/Orthodontic_Plier_Heavy_Duty_With_T.html
or something like it that works for you.
Clifford Heath.

**I use a few dental tools. In the main, they're superb tools, that keep
their edge. One is constantly by my side. Dunno what it is called, but I use
it for scraping PCBs. It's kept it edge for at least a decade or so.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Ross Herbert]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:33:52 +1000, "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

:Clifford Heath wrote:
:> On 04/13/11 13:48, Ross Herbert wrote:
:>> I remember having a pair of Diamond Tool brand 4-1/2" side-cutters
:>> way back in the 60's and they were the hardest edged blade I had
:>> come across.
:>
:> I like my orthodontic wire-cutters. Box jointed, carbide-tipped,
:> stainless-steel, made in Germany for clipping hardened high-tensile
:> wires.
:> I guess they were expensive too, except my father was an orthodontist.
:>
:> You might find
:>
<http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/12211575/Orthodontic_Plier_Heavy_Duty_With_T.html>
:> or something like it that works for you.
:> Clifford Heath.
:
:**I use a few dental tools. In the main, they're superb tools, that keep
:their edge. One is constantly by my side. Dunno what it is called, but I use
:it for scraping PCBs. It's kept it edge for at least a decade or so.

There is a German company, Bernstein, whose electronics cutters look to be quite
good (they use boxed joints)
http://www.bernstein-werkzeuge.de/Electronic%20Pliers.html

The range includes hard wire cutters and they are sold in Aus by Mektronics (I
think RS and Farnell as well but haven't checked). I don't think they are
cheap....
http://www.mektronics.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

Eurowasp wrote:

On Apr 13, 1:09 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
Eurowasp wrote:

It is still controversial.

**No, it is not. That would be like saying that health issues
related to smoking is still controversial. The only people who still
maintain that health problems associated with smoking are tobacco
companies.

That doesn't make any sense.

**It doesn't. I'll re-state it in a manner that makes sense:

The only people who still maintain that there are no health problems
associated with smoking, are tobacco companies.

Sorry for the confusion.

Interestingly, the fossil fuel lobby is not only using the same playbook as
the tobacco industry does/did, they are using the same organisations and
people to push their lies.

Same deal
with AGW. The only people who maintain that AGW is controversial are
those who work for or are paid by the fossil fuel industry,
Catholics, or those who can't be bothered reading the science.

THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY.

Yes there is.

**No, there is not. The ONLY people who claim there is a controversy are
those who are employed by the fossil fuel industry, or are terminally stupid
(like the Catholic Church). Singer, Lindzen, Carter and others work for
organisations that are partly or fully funded by fossil fuel interests (the
Kock Brothers) and the tobacco industry. Curiously, these organisations
publish material that is only complimentary to the tobacco industry and the
fossil fuel industry. What I suggest you do, is to study some science and
look beyond the happy bullshit handed to you by people who have seriously
suspect motives.

Check out the list of scientists who think so, which you snipped for
some reason.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

Now tell me how many on the list are catholics, paid for by the fossil
fuel industry etc.

**YOU point out the climatologists in the list and I will post the relevant
information that condemns them. I am not interested in the opinions of
people who are not climatologists.

What is interesting is that many sceptics are retired scientists and
have no financial pressure to tow the
AGW line, unlike those collecting paychecks and grants for promoting
AGW.

**What a load of fucking bullshit. The same scientists in the CSIRO (in
Australia) and the US EPA, NASA, et al, in the US, were telling the Bush
(AGW denying government) and the Howard/Abbott (AGW denying government) that
this was a serious problem that needed to be addressed. According to your
twisted view, those scientists should have been attempting to keep their
paymasters happy. They weren't. They simply stated the facts.

You are also nuts if you think all highly qualified scientists
support the IPCC position.

**I don't. I am well aware that almost all the climatologists accept
the facts of AGW. I am also aware that scientists from unrelated
disciplines have stated that they dispute the facts. Of course,
since climate science is beyond their field of experience, their
opinions are hardly valid.

If you look at the following list you will find people who are
qualified as atmospheric scientists etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

**Singer and Lindzen are paid by organisations that are funded by the fossil
fuel industy and the tobacco industry. Are you going to tell me that smoking
harmless next?

Anyway, what degree do you need to call yourself a climatologist ?

**This guy can tell you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Ayers

Send him an email and ask him. Whilst you are at it, why don't you ask him
about the list of doubters?

Atmospheric science ? Meterology ?
I am sure that there are AGW believers who collect paychecks as
'climatologists' that have no specific
academic background in the subject beyond those sceptics that you
dismiss so easily.

**I'm sure there are a few. There will always be a few bad apples in any
barrel. However, the vast majority simply work the science and report their
findings. They are, in the main, not beholding to wind turbine
manufacturers, PV cell manufacturers and other industries where they can
profit by their findings. However, YOU need to ask why people like Lindzen,
Singer, carter, et al, who are paid by the fossil fuel industry, say the
things they do.

So, the questions are: Why do you avoid ascertaining the facts that surround
your choice of information?
Why do you accept information, so blindly, from the fossil fuel and tobacco
industries so blindly?
Why do you ignore the massive weight of good, solid science, from the vast
majority of climate scientists (most of whom work for government pay scales
and nothing like the US$2.5k per day that Lindzen has been paid)?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Eurowasp]

On Apr 13, 1:09 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

Eurowasp wrote:

It is still controversial.

**No, it is not. That would be like saying that health issues related to
smoking is still controversial. The only people who still maintain that
health problems associated with smoking are tobacco companies.

That doesn't make any sense.

Same deal
with AGW. The only people who maintain that AGW is controversial are those
who work for or are paid by the fossil fuel industry, Catholics, or those
who can't be bothered reading the science.

THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY.

Yes there is.
Check out the list of scientists who think so, which you snipped for
some reason.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

Now tell me how many on the list are catholics, paid for by the fossil
fuel industry etc.

What is interesting is that many sceptics are retired scientists and
have no financial pressure to tow the
AGW line, unlike those collecting paychecks and grants for promoting
AGW.

You are also nuts if you think all highly qualified scientists support
the IPCC position.

**I don't. I am well aware that almost all the climatologists accept the
facts of AGW. I am also aware that scientists from unrelated disciplines
have stated that they dispute the facts. Of course, since climate science is
beyond their field of experience, their opinions are hardly valid.

If you look at the following list you will find people who are
qualified as atmospheric scientists etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

Anyway, what degree do you need to call yourself a climatologist ?
Atmospheric science ? Meterology ?
I am sure that there are AGW believers who collect paychecks as
'climatologists' that have no specific
academic background in the subject beyond those sceptics that you
dismiss so easily.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

fossil fuel interests (the Kock Brothers)

**Should read: (the Koch Brothers).


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

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Art Vanderlay <nospam@thank.you.very.much> wrote:

Buying a new iron is certainly looking like an option. It's unfortunate
though as I've had this one for a long time and really like it as an
iron. Tips etc have never been a problem. Sounds like Hakko is a brand of
choice as an alternative as several repliers suggest this brand.

I'll have a look into these. Thanks to everyone for their input.

The new hakko tellytubby style is a bit much for me. Mektronics sell a
Chinese clone of the old hakko (903?). They're identical and I suspect that
they come from the factory that produced them for hakko. (and yes, I also
prefer hakko to weller - I own both)