weapon inflection...

[David Brown]

On 02/03/2022 18:54, Rick C wrote:

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:53:44 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 10:30 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating
from Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow
up a few tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be
destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/


Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what
airplanes did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a
thousand times bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing
straight down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a
swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery
shells and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes
missed their targets.



China is probably watching with interest how this lil adventure
goes for Russia. Taiwan is a fortress compared to the Ukraine, and
they have ~80 miles of open water to cross just to get a
significant amount of troops and supplies onto the island.

And China can take Taiwan without landing a single soldier. It\'s an
island and can be blockaded without landing or even firing a shot.
The Chinese can also choose to fire shots at any targets, either from
the sea or from the mainland. In other words, other than political
fallout, taking Taiwan would be easy for the Chinese. The Chinese
aren\'t watching the Ukrainian situation from a military point of
view. It\'s much more of a political perspective.

China could destroy Taiwan from a distance. But they have no interest
in destroying it - they want to integrate it into mainland China. That
is vastly more difficult.

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:25:00 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> Warfare could become our robots fighting their robots.

It\'s not clear that smart-but-disposable is the winning combination; a
well-instrumented artillery battery can account for a lot of mobile armor,
without requiring the metal tonnage and fuel supply. Ukraine\'s best defense
might be their non-intercontinental ballistic weaponry. It\'s not high tech, and it
is completely affordable. It also isn\'t offensive to distant cities in other nations.

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 2:43:13 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 3/2/2022 12:54 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:53:44 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 10:30 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating from
Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow up a few
tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/

Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what airplanes
did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a thousand times
bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing straight
down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery shells
and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes missed their
targets.



China is probably watching with interest how this lil adventure goes for
Russia. Taiwan is a fortress compared to the Ukraine, and they have ~80
miles of open water to cross just to get a significant amount of troops
and supplies onto the island.

And China can take Taiwan without landing a single soldier. It\'s an island and can be blockaded without landing or even firing a shot. The Chinese can also choose to fire shots at any targets, either from the sea or from the mainland. In other words, other than political fallout, taking Taiwan would be easy for the Chinese. The Chinese aren\'t watching the Ukrainian situation from a military point of view. It\'s much more of a political perspective.

Only one way for it to go right and a hundred ways for it to go wrong,
where you end up in a shooting-war anyway except you\'ve lost surprise
and your adversaries have had time to get their act together.

Don\'t see it.

Yes, you don\'t see it. There\'s nothing the US can do to prevent China from taking control of Taiwan. Literally, nothing. The only thing stopping them is the political repercussions.

Just as in Ukraine, the US is not going to wage war on China. With China or Russia, the risk of nuclear escalation is just too high.

Taiwan will fight back, just as Ukraine has, but there won\'t be a need for ground troops. That battle would be like the battle of Brittan, all in the air. The difference is China is very much better prepared for it and won\'t do something stupid like attack Russia. They will just lob rockets and artillery from ships and drop bombs from planes.

I don\'t know if they care about preserving Taiwan\'s technology industry. China doesn\'t want Taiwanese chips, they want to reunite their country.

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 2:19:36 PM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 02 Mar 2022 09:49:20 -0800) it happened
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
p4bv1h94kdeenn91q...@4ax.com>:
Imagine a standard controller unit for a smart swarm suicide drone.

It needs good wide-angle and narrow hi-res cameras.

It needs accels and gyros

It needs a fast local interface and RF connectivity

It needs a good OS

It needs a lot of CPU power but low power consumption

It needs to be small and light and rugged and cheap.

Raytheon could develop that, given 10 years and a few billion dollars.
I already did the heat seeking software in PIC asm for a norml small IR camera.
Demo is on youtube, did not release source for that..
one other reason I am now playing with that FLIR camera,
the software is quite advanced now, just got remote control via LAN working.
OS can be a big hinder, libraries get screwed up by people who clearly never coded,
big blob of bloat.
Much can be done with a simple micro at a fraction of the power and weight,
You do not need an OS if the application is the only thing running,
not even a filesystem, in some project here I just use sectors on an SDcard
one record per sector...
My raspi has the acceleration, giro, air pressure, GPS, Glonass, proximity alarms. temperature, fire solutions,
AIS, airplane tracking .. etc etc..
http://panteltje.com/pub/xgpspc_5_planes.gif
http://panteltje.com/pub/boats_and_planes.gif

Couple of RTL_SDR USB sticks to receive AIS and planes data.
In such a multitasking case Linux is nice.
Less than 5 Watt or something?

China has published many videos with drones like mine flying in formation..

Flying in formation would just make them easier to take out with a few shot gun blasts or one air burst bomb. I would expect them to fly by very diverse paths so they all arrive at the same time, but from different directions so the target can\'t even be identified until the last few minutes.

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[John Larkin]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 21:56:25 +0100, David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 02/03/2022 19:03, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 12:49:34 PM UTC-5,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It needs to be small and light and rugged and cheap.

\"Small and light and rugged and cheap\" don\'t go together.


Nor does \"Raytheon and cheap\"

It\'s a cell phone.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-03-02 18:03, Rick C wrote:

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:41:54 AM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
On 02/03/2022 17:24, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 10:48:38 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 02 Mar 2022 07:30:59 -0800) it happened
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
dv2v1h9fo1saplle2...@4ax.com>:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating
from Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow
up a few tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be
destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/


Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what
airplanes did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a
thousand times bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing
straight down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a
swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery
shells and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes
missed their targets.
Russia somehow hit a TV tower and building, possibly with a
precision weapon. When I worked at the TV station here we we
informed we were primary targets in case of war. EU has just
decided to take all Russian TV channels of air. I can still see
their website and moment... satellite channel

TV stations? Do they still have those? It would seem taking out a
broadcast tower to be on the same level of significance as blowing up
a flintlock factory.

I suspect that most TV in most of the world is broadcast from towers.
Sure, people also have streaming services of all kinds, but broadcast is
still the most efficient especially if you haven\'t got a big fast
internet infrastructure. Broadcast TV stations are often digital with
pretty good quality.

I have no idea what the internet infrastructure is like in Ukraine, nor
how much of its television is based on terrestrial broadcasting,
satellite, cable, or other technologies. But I would not dismiss TV
towers out of hand - the attack on the tower was targeted and
intentional, so I suspect the Russians knew more than you (or I) about
its importance.

They could blow up every TV tower in the world and the only impact to getting news would be the cell antenna lost because they were on the same tower.

People don\'t worry with TV or even radio these days. They use their cell phones more than any other medium.

You are mistaken. I\'m watching TV, over the air, everyday; and right now
I\'m listening to the radio. Actual radio. And in my country, internet
coverage is very good. For instance, I have 300 Mbit fibre, because I
refused to have 1 gigabit.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[bitrex]

On 3/2/2022 4:15 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 2:43:13 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 12:54 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:53:44 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 10:30 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating from
Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow up a few
tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/

Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what airplanes
did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a thousand times
bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing straight
down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery shells
and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes missed their
targets.



China is probably watching with interest how this lil adventure goes for
Russia. Taiwan is a fortress compared to the Ukraine, and they have ~80
miles of open water to cross just to get a significant amount of troops
and supplies onto the island.

And China can take Taiwan without landing a single soldier. It\'s an island and can be blockaded without landing or even firing a shot. The Chinese can also choose to fire shots at any targets, either from the sea or from the mainland. In other words, other than political fallout, taking Taiwan would be easy for the Chinese. The Chinese aren\'t watching the Ukrainian situation from a military point of view. It\'s much more of a political perspective.

Only one way for it to go right and a hundred ways for it to go wrong,
where you end up in a shooting-war anyway except you\'ve lost surprise
and your adversaries have had time to get their act together.

Don\'t see it.

Yes, you don\'t see it. There\'s nothing the US can do to prevent China from taking control of Taiwan. Literally, nothing. The only thing stopping them is the political repercussions.

Just as in Ukraine, the US is not going to wage war on China. With China or Russia, the risk of nuclear escalation is just too high.

Taiwan will fight back, just as Ukraine has, but there won\'t be a need for ground troops. That battle would be like the battle of Brittan, all in the air. The difference is China is very much better prepared for it and won\'t do something stupid like attack Russia. They will just lob rockets and artillery from ships and drop bombs from planes.

I don\'t know if they care about preserving Taiwan\'s technology industry. China doesn\'t want Taiwanese chips, they want to reunite their country.

If you don\'t have any of your guys on the ground, then you don\'t hold
anything.

 

[bitrex]

On 3/2/2022 4:15 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 2:43:13 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 12:54 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:53:44 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 10:30 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating from
Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow up a few
tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/

Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what airplanes
did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a thousand times
bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing straight
down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery shells
and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes missed their
targets.



China is probably watching with interest how this lil adventure goes for
Russia. Taiwan is a fortress compared to the Ukraine, and they have ~80
miles of open water to cross just to get a significant amount of troops
and supplies onto the island.

And China can take Taiwan without landing a single soldier. It\'s an island and can be blockaded without landing or even firing a shot. The Chinese can also choose to fire shots at any targets, either from the sea or from the mainland. In other words, other than political fallout, taking Taiwan would be easy for the Chinese. The Chinese aren\'t watching the Ukrainian situation from a military point of view. It\'s much more of a political perspective.

Only one way for it to go right and a hundred ways for it to go wrong,
where you end up in a shooting-war anyway except you\'ve lost surprise
and your adversaries have had time to get their act together.

Don\'t see it.

Yes, you don\'t see it. There\'s nothing the US can do to prevent China from taking control of Taiwan. Literally, nothing. The only thing stopping them is the political repercussions.

Just as in Ukraine, the US is not going to wage war on China. With China or Russia, the risk of nuclear escalation is just too high.

Taiwan will fight back, just as Ukraine has, but there won\'t be a need for ground troops. That battle would be like the battle of Brittan, all in the air.

Ya, and Germany LOST the Battle of Britain.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 07:30:59 -0800, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating from
Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow up a few
tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/

Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what airplanes
did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a thousand times
bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing straight
down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery shells
and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes missed their
targets.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/captured-russian-soldiers-cry-tell-26367528

Another thing that\'s strange about this war is that soldiers have cell
phones and are calling home from the battlefield. Security goes to
hell and the folks back home get the stories unfiltered.

Cell phone calls can be tracked, and probably listened to.

The history of war was dominated by \"we don\'t know where they are.\"
Now we do.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Gerhard Hoffmann]

Am 03.03.22 um 01:29 schrieb John Larkin:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/captured-russian-soldiers-cry-tell-26367528

Another thing that\'s strange about this war is that soldiers have cell
phones and are calling home from the battlefield. Security goes to
hell and the folks back home get the stories unfiltered.

Cell phone calls can be tracked, and probably listened to.

The history of war was dominated by \"we don\'t know where they are.\"
Now we do.

The Russian soldiers do not have any cell phones of their own.
Their leaders are not completely dumb, only arse lickers.
All soldiers in the mirror article were POWs.

And as if the Ukrainian cell phone network would accept
Russian phone numbers for roaming. No more. You can bet
your a* on it.

Gerhard

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 3:56:36 PM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:

On 02/03/2022 19:03, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 12:49:34 PM UTC-5,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It needs to be small and light and rugged and cheap.

\"Small and light and rugged and cheap\" don\'t go together.

Nor does \"Raytheon and cheap\"
You could do a lot of damage with that on personnel, like cluster
bombs without being \"rugged\". What is the point of making a Kamikaze
drone rugged?

I\'m wondering if the Russians are actually using thermobaric weapons.
I can\'t see the advantage in it for them compared to the fallout.

Of course they are using them. They are not banned by any conventions
(though there have been calls to do so), and give you a lot of
devastation for your money. And Russia is doing so badly in comparison
to their plans and expectations, that they can\'t afford to play nice.

I have read they are considered a violation of existing treaties.

I\'m not sure Russia is really doing so poorly. The reports of attacks on the Russian convoy are few and far between. The advance units are just that, advance units and have been doing what they were sent to do in most cases.. Russia has no need to be in a hurry. Winter is behind them mostly.

Russia has a policy of denying that they are targeting civilians, and
claiming that Ukraine is blowing up their own civilian buildings in
false flag attacks. Given that, what do they have to lose by using
nastier bombs? The people that believe Putin\'s propaganda (basically, a
large chunk of the Russian population) will just think the Ukrainians
are even worse - and the rest of the world already thinks so badly of
Russia that thermobaric weapons (and also cluster bombs, which are
outlawed in most countries - but neither Russia nor Ukraine signed that
treaty) won\'t make opinions much worse.

Of course it will. Thermobaric weapons are illegal when used indiscriminately against civilians as has been accused.

I also don\'t understand, if the Ukrainians have missiles that can
take out tanks, why they aren\'t being used on the 40 mile long column
of troops that are stuck on the roads? I\'m thinking a lot of the
stories we are seeing are exaggerated. The one part that makes sense
is that the logistics aren\'t up to snuff and they are running out of
fuel and food. That I believe.

The Ukrainians /are/ hitting the column. But you can\'t do that
effectively with short range hand-held anti-tank weapons - the numbers
are too big, and the distances too far. They are doing some damage
using drones, but they also need to keep things in reserve for when they
are /really/ needed. As long as the Russians can\'t do better than a
slow crawl, they still have other options.

There are reports of \"missiles\", which are not hand-held weapons. Short range missiles would be sufficient to attack and retreat, guerrilla warfare. Sitting in the city and waiting for the onslaught won\'t win the war or even the battle. If this column can\'t be broken up, there\'s no point in trying to mount any other sort of defense. Russia can wage siege warfare if they want.

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 3:59:06 PM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:

On 02/03/2022 18:54, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:53:44 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 10:30 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating
from Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow
up a few tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be
destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/


Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what
airplanes did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a
thousand times bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing
straight down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a
swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery
shells and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes
missed their targets.



China is probably watching with interest how this lil adventure
goes for Russia. Taiwan is a fortress compared to the Ukraine, and
they have ~80 miles of open water to cross just to get a
significant amount of troops and supplies onto the island.

And China can take Taiwan without landing a single soldier. It\'s an
island and can be blockaded without landing or even firing a shot.
The Chinese can also choose to fire shots at any targets, either from
the sea or from the mainland. In other words, other than political
fallout, taking Taiwan would be easy for the Chinese. The Chinese
aren\'t watching the Ukrainian situation from a military point of
view. It\'s much more of a political perspective.

China could destroy Taiwan from a distance. But they have no interest
in destroying it - they want to integrate it into mainland China. That
is vastly more difficult.

\"Integration\" is the goal, but if a few people die in the process, that\'s ok with China. To them, the individual is not as important as the country. They want to return Taiwan as an integral part of China, just like Hong Kong. They don\'t mind running over a few people with tanks or hitting them with bombs to do it.

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 4:28:17 PM UTC-5, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2022-03-02 18:03, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:41:54 AM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
On 02/03/2022 17:24, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 10:48:38 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 02 Mar 2022 07:30:59 -0800) it happened
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
dv2v1h9fo1saplle2...@4ax.com>:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating
from Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow
up a few tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be
destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/


Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what
airplanes did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a
thousand times bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing
straight down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a
swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery
shells and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes
missed their targets.
Russia somehow hit a TV tower and building, possibly with a
precision weapon. When I worked at the TV station here we we
informed we were primary targets in case of war. EU has just
decided to take all Russian TV channels of air. I can still see
their website and moment... satellite channel

TV stations? Do they still have those? It would seem taking out a
broadcast tower to be on the same level of significance as blowing up
a flintlock factory.

I suspect that most TV in most of the world is broadcast from towers.
Sure, people also have streaming services of all kinds, but broadcast is
still the most efficient especially if you haven\'t got a big fast
internet infrastructure. Broadcast TV stations are often digital with
pretty good quality.

I have no idea what the internet infrastructure is like in Ukraine, nor
how much of its television is based on terrestrial broadcasting,
satellite, cable, or other technologies. But I would not dismiss TV
towers out of hand - the attack on the tower was targeted and
intentional, so I suspect the Russians knew more than you (or I) about
its importance.

They could blow up every TV tower in the world and the only impact to getting news would be the cell antenna lost because they were on the same tower.

People don\'t worry with TV or even radio these days. They use their cell phones more than any other medium.
You are mistaken. I\'m watching TV, over the air, everyday; and right now
I\'m listening to the radio. Actual radio. And in my country, internet
coverage is very good. For instance, I have 300 Mbit fibre, because I
refused to have 1 gigabit.

Yes, you define the world. Thank you for your input.

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Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 4:37:40 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 3/2/2022 4:15 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 2:43:13 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 12:54 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:53:44 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 10:30 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating from
Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow up a few
tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/

Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what airplanes
did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a thousand times
bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing straight
down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery shells
and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes missed their
targets.



China is probably watching with interest how this lil adventure goes for
Russia. Taiwan is a fortress compared to the Ukraine, and they have ~80
miles of open water to cross just to get a significant amount of troops
and supplies onto the island.

And China can take Taiwan without landing a single soldier. It\'s an island and can be blockaded without landing or even firing a shot. The Chinese can also choose to fire shots at any targets, either from the sea or from the mainland. In other words, other than political fallout, taking Taiwan would be easy for the Chinese. The Chinese aren\'t watching the Ukrainian situation from a military point of view. It\'s much more of a political perspective.

Only one way for it to go right and a hundred ways for it to go wrong,
where you end up in a shooting-war anyway except you\'ve lost surprise
and your adversaries have had time to get their act together.

Don\'t see it.

Yes, you don\'t see it. There\'s nothing the US can do to prevent China from taking control of Taiwan. Literally, nothing. The only thing stopping them is the political repercussions.

Just as in Ukraine, the US is not going to wage war on China. With China or Russia, the risk of nuclear escalation is just too high.

Taiwan will fight back, just as Ukraine has, but there won\'t be a need for ground troops. That battle would be like the battle of Brittan, all in the air. The difference is China is very much better prepared for it and won\'t do something stupid like attack Russia. They will just lob rockets and artillery from ships and drop bombs from planes.

I don\'t know if they care about preserving Taiwan\'s technology industry.. China doesn\'t want Taiwanese chips, they want to reunite their country.

If you don\'t have any of your guys on the ground, then you don\'t hold
anything.

I seem to recall the Allies didn\'t invade mainland Japan in WWII. I can\'t remember exactly how it was they managed that. Oh, did it have something to do with bombing them until they lost the will to resist? Yeah. In that case we used a shortcut, but a few more months of relentless bombing would have put Japan down regardless. At that time, the US was hell bent on conquest, so they would have landed troops, even though they could have just waited them out. We only needed to break the will of one person, the emperor.. We happened to have done that with a thermobaric device, a really big one!

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 4:39:36 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 3/2/2022 4:15 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 2:43:13 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 12:54 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:53:44 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 10:30 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating from
Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow up a few
tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/

Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what airplanes
did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a thousand times
bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing straight
down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery shells
and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes missed their
targets.



China is probably watching with interest how this lil adventure goes for
Russia. Taiwan is a fortress compared to the Ukraine, and they have ~80
miles of open water to cross just to get a significant amount of troops
and supplies onto the island.

And China can take Taiwan without landing a single soldier. It\'s an island and can be blockaded without landing or even firing a shot. The Chinese can also choose to fire shots at any targets, either from the sea or from the mainland. In other words, other than political fallout, taking Taiwan would be easy for the Chinese. The Chinese aren\'t watching the Ukrainian situation from a military point of view. It\'s much more of a political perspective.

Only one way for it to go right and a hundred ways for it to go wrong,
where you end up in a shooting-war anyway except you\'ve lost surprise
and your adversaries have had time to get their act together.

Don\'t see it.

Yes, you don\'t see it. There\'s nothing the US can do to prevent China from taking control of Taiwan. Literally, nothing. The only thing stopping them is the political repercussions.

Just as in Ukraine, the US is not going to wage war on China. With China or Russia, the risk of nuclear escalation is just too high.

Taiwan will fight back, just as Ukraine has, but there won\'t be a need for ground troops. That battle would be like the battle of Brittan, all in the air.
Ya, and Germany LOST the Battle of Britain.

Ya, because they weren\'t prepared. Just like the Ukraine can\'t actually resist the onslaught of Russia, Taiwan can\'t resist the vastly superior air power of China. There\'s no contest. It\'s only political will that stops them currently. They like selling us all manner of shiny baubles through Walmart. They don\'t want to piss us off. But when they decide it\'s time, there\'s nothing anyone can do about it other than start buying made in America! lol

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[bitrex]

On 3/2/2022 8:50 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 4:37:40 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 4:15 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 2:43:13 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 12:54 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:53:44 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 10:30 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating from
Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow up a few
tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/

Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what airplanes
did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a thousand times
bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing straight
down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery shells
and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes missed their
targets.



China is probably watching with interest how this lil adventure goes for
Russia. Taiwan is a fortress compared to the Ukraine, and they have ~80
miles of open water to cross just to get a significant amount of troops
and supplies onto the island.

And China can take Taiwan without landing a single soldier. It\'s an island and can be blockaded without landing or even firing a shot. The Chinese can also choose to fire shots at any targets, either from the sea or from the mainland. In other words, other than political fallout, taking Taiwan would be easy for the Chinese. The Chinese aren\'t watching the Ukrainian situation from a military point of view. It\'s much more of a political perspective.

Only one way for it to go right and a hundred ways for it to go wrong,
where you end up in a shooting-war anyway except you\'ve lost surprise
and your adversaries have had time to get their act together.

Don\'t see it.

Yes, you don\'t see it. There\'s nothing the US can do to prevent China from taking control of Taiwan. Literally, nothing. The only thing stopping them is the political repercussions.

Just as in Ukraine, the US is not going to wage war on China. With China or Russia, the risk of nuclear escalation is just too high.

Taiwan will fight back, just as Ukraine has, but there won\'t be a need for ground troops. That battle would be like the battle of Brittan, all in the air. The difference is China is very much better prepared for it and won\'t do something stupid like attack Russia. They will just lob rockets and artillery from ships and drop bombs from planes.

I don\'t know if they care about preserving Taiwan\'s technology industry. China doesn\'t want Taiwanese chips, they want to reunite their country.

If you don\'t have any of your guys on the ground, then you don\'t hold
anything.

I seem to recall the Allies didn\'t invade mainland Japan in WWII. I can\'t remember exactly how it was they managed that. Oh, did it have something to do with bombing them until they lost the will to resist? Yeah. In that case we used a shortcut, but a few more months of relentless bombing would have put Japan down regardless. At that time, the US was hell bent on conquest, so they would have landed troops, even though they could have just waited them out. We only needed to break the will of one person, the emperor. We happened to have done that with a thermobaric device, a really big one!

I don\'t think it\'s a good analogy, the US had no intention of making
Japan a permanent territory of the US, only to extract an \"unconditional
surrender\" in a war the Japanese started. And it wasn\'t in fact
unconditional; keeping the Emperor as a symbolic leader was a term the
US agreed to, likely to enforce the (correct) understanding that Japan
was expected to remain a fully sovereign entity, at least eventually.

Anyway, the goalposts have shifted, first there wasn\'t going to be a
shot fired, now there\'s going to be an air campaign up to and including
obliterating populated areas, I guess.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 10:31:15 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating from
Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow up a few
tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/

Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what airplanes
did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a thousand times
bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing straight
down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery shells
and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes missed their
targets.

Unlikely the lightweight antitank weapons did the damage shown. They were most likely destroyed by demolitions after they were disabled and the Russians left. Tactically un-smart to take a tank column down a stretch of road with impassable barriers on both sides preventing them from dispersing and maneuvering during an attack- not to mention they were ridiculously closely spaced. Russia doesn\'t have a very good military.

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 9:22:49 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 3/2/2022 8:50 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 4:37:40 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 4:15 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 2:43:13 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 12:54 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:53:44 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/2022 10:30 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating from
Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow up a few
tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be destroyed..

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/

Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what airplanes
did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a thousand times
bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing straight
down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery shells
and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes missed their
targets.



China is probably watching with interest how this lil adventure goes for
Russia. Taiwan is a fortress compared to the Ukraine, and they have ~80
miles of open water to cross just to get a significant amount of troops
and supplies onto the island.

And China can take Taiwan without landing a single soldier. It\'s an island and can be blockaded without landing or even firing a shot. The Chinese can also choose to fire shots at any targets, either from the sea or from the mainland. In other words, other than political fallout, taking Taiwan would be easy for the Chinese. The Chinese aren\'t watching the Ukrainian situation from a military point of view. It\'s much more of a political perspective.

Only one way for it to go right and a hundred ways for it to go wrong,
where you end up in a shooting-war anyway except you\'ve lost surprise
and your adversaries have had time to get their act together.

Don\'t see it.

Yes, you don\'t see it. There\'s nothing the US can do to prevent China from taking control of Taiwan. Literally, nothing. The only thing stopping them is the political repercussions.

Just as in Ukraine, the US is not going to wage war on China. With China or Russia, the risk of nuclear escalation is just too high.

Taiwan will fight back, just as Ukraine has, but there won\'t be a need for ground troops. That battle would be like the battle of Brittan, all in the air. The difference is China is very much better prepared for it and won\'t do something stupid like attack Russia. They will just lob rockets and artillery from ships and drop bombs from planes.

I don\'t know if they care about preserving Taiwan\'s technology industry. China doesn\'t want Taiwanese chips, they want to reunite their country.

If you don\'t have any of your guys on the ground, then you don\'t hold
anything.

I seem to recall the Allies didn\'t invade mainland Japan in WWII. I can\'t remember exactly how it was they managed that. Oh, did it have something to do with bombing them until they lost the will to resist? Yeah. In that case we used a shortcut, but a few more months of relentless bombing would have put Japan down regardless. At that time, the US was hell bent on conquest, so they would have landed troops, even though they could have just waited them out. We only needed to break the will of one person, the emperor. We happened to have done that with a thermobaric device, a really big one!

I don\'t think it\'s a good analogy, the US had no intention of making
Japan a permanent territory of the US, only to extract an \"unconditional
surrender\" in a war the Japanese started. And it wasn\'t in fact
unconditional; keeping the Emperor as a symbolic leader was a term the
US agreed to, likely to enforce the (correct) understanding that Japan
was expected to remain a fully sovereign entity, at least eventually.

Anyway, the goalposts have shifted, first there wasn\'t going to be a
shot fired, now there\'s going to be an air campaign up to and including
obliterating populated areas, I guess.

I never said not fighting. I was referring to the need to land troops. I think you know that.

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[Sylvia Else]

On 03-Mar-22 2:30 am, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating from
Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow up a few
tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/

Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what airplanes
did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a thousand times
bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing straight
down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery shells
and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes missed their
targets.

At the start of this, I did wonder at the balance between tanks on the
one hand, and people armed with modern portable anti-tank weapons on the
other.

Sylvia.

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 10:14:01 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 03-Mar-22 2:30 am, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

These pics are amazing. They look like the Iraqui army retreating from
Kuwait. Miles of wreckage blocking the roads. Once you blow up a few
tanks and trucks, the rest wait patiently in line to be destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17816255/incredible-photos-russian-convoy-wreckage-bucha-kyiv/

Javelin type missiles and drones may be doing to tanks what airplanes
did to battleships. Cheap smart weapons destroy a thousand times
bigger and more expensive targets.

Imagine a smart drone with a Hellfire type missile firing straight
down onto a vehicle. Imagine being in a tank under a swarm of them.

In previous wars, the great majority of bullets and artillery shells
and bombs and depth charges and mines and even torpedoes missed their
targets.



At the start of this, I did wonder at the balance between tanks on the
one hand, and people armed with modern portable anti-tank weapons on the
other.

That is part of the reason for mixing infantry with tanks. Each one protects the other. It works well when attacking infantry or other lightly armed forces. Against other tanks, the infantry, even with tank support, does not make out well. But tanks against infantry alone is subject to attacks from places the tanks can\'t see. Anti-tank weapons can be very effective, even the sort carried by infantry.

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