War crimes?...

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 12:13:49 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:33:58 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
=========================
05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
Bullshit!

Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
not a war crime, it\'s murder. Putin is a murder.

When soldiers (according to the official definition of \"armed
combatants\") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
it is a war crime.


** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes \"murder\" in a war scenario.
Not one bit simple.
Unlike YOU sunshine.



...... Phil

If you tie someone\'s hands and shoot them, it doesn\'t matter what you
call it.

Same for shelling apartment buildings.
It\'s a BIG \'if\' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.

They would have to be staged with cooperation from Russian soldiers. There are satellite images of mass grave taken during Russian occupation. The media didn\'t know what they were, but can now be confirmed.

They have been in the past and will be in the future. Public
perceptions need to be carefully managed in situations like this and I
would not put anything past Zelensky.
This *is* \"one man\'s war\" as the media keep telling us. But it\'s of
Zelensky\'s making - not Putin.

It\'s two men\'s war, but we know who is the aggressor.

Indeed - Zelensky. Zelensky\'s the one calling for blood and iron in
this conflict. And he\'s been given a global platform from which to do
so. Does it not strike anyone as odd how this nobody from a fifth-rate
pseudo state has been able to personally address the parliaments of
any and every nation (and supranational bodies) with any influence
whatsoever? This is totally without precedent! His increasingly
desperate attempts to drag the rest of the world (at the grave risk of
WW3) into aiding his irrelevant little former province in what would
otherwise remain a minor localized incursion?
Seems screamingly obvious to me at least that something much bigger is
afoot here: the Globalists want to topple Putin and seize control of
Russia, chiefly to plunder it for its rich mineral resources which
they and their cronies will make even more money out of than the
obscene amounts they have already. And thanks to their corrupt buddies
in the MSM, the credulous public are cheering them on with a will.
Seems we never learn. Sigh....
:(
 
On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 12:06:01 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:33:51 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
=========================
05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
Bullshit!

Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
not a war crime, it\'s murder. Putin is a murder.

When soldiers (according to the official definition of \"armed
combatants\") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
it is a war crime.


** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes \"murder\" in a war scenario.
Not one bit simple.
Unlike YOU sunshine.



...... Phil

If you tie someone\'s hands and shoot them, it doesn\'t matter what you
call it.

Same for shelling apartment buildings.

It\'s a BIG \'if\' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.

Did people volunteer to be dead for pictures?

All sorts of news agencies are reporting from Ukraine, and tell the
same stories. No independent reporters are reporting are allowed in
Russia.



They have been in the past and will be in the future. Public
perceptions need to be carefully managed in situations like this and I
would not put anything past Zelensky.

How about the BBC?

This *is* \"one man\'s war\" as the media keep telling us. But it\'s of
Zelensky\'s making - not Putin.

Good grief. Putin poisons people he doesn\'t like.

Allegedly. We don\'t know if he himself orders the poisonings or
they\'re undertaken by maverick rogue elements who support him.
The really interesting thing about the poisons is that so few people
die from them. This is curious indeed. It would be a trivial matter to
kill those people by means of poisoning if it were desired so to do.
For example, there is a certain crown ether - I won\'t say which
particular one here but the Russians will *certainly* be aware of it -
which in minute doses is a reliable death-bringer AND is completely
untraceable. The death appears to be natural. Unexplained perhaps, but
natural. Now *that* - or any one of a legion of other such agents - is
what they *would* use if they intended lethal consequences. So we can
safely assume they don\'t. The question remains: why? To fire some kind
of \'warning shot\' across the bows of their opponents? Your guess is as
good as mine.
 
John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:t2g8jp$jag$1@dont-email.me:

Bullshit!

Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back
its not a war crime, it\'s murder. Putin is a murder.

Yes, and doing it with a military is called a war crime.
Can you really be that thick skulled?
 
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 21:26:04 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:33:51 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
=========================
05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
Bullshit!

Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back
its not a war crime, it\'s murder. Putin is a murder.

When soldiers (according to the official definition of \"armed
combatants\") murder someone from the other side - civilian or
military - it is a war crime.


** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes \"murder\" in a
war scenario.
Not one bit simple.
Unlike YOU sunshine.



...... Phil

If you tie someone\'s hands and shoot them, it doesn\'t matter what you
call it.

Same for shelling apartment buildings.

It\'s a BIG \'if\' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.

Did people volunteer to be dead for pictures?

All sorts of news agencies are reporting from Ukraine, and tell the
same stories. No independent reporters are reporting are allowed in
Russia.



They have been in the past and will be in the future. Public
perceptions need to be carefully managed in situations like this and I
would not put anything past Zelensky.

How about the BBC?

This *is* \"one man\'s war\" as the media keep telling us. But it\'s of
Zelensky\'s making - not Putin.

Good grief. Putin poisons people he doesn\'t like.

Cursitor Doom is a troll. Don\'t feed the trolls.

I think maybe he\'s Russian.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye
 
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:12:14 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 21:26:04 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spa...@not.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:33:51 +0100, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
palli...@gmail.com> wrote:
David Brown wrote:
05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:

<snip>

This *is* \"one man\'s war\" as the media keep telling us. But it\'s of Zelensky\'s making - not Putin.

Good grief. Putin poisons people he doesn\'t like.

Cursitor Doom is a troll. Don\'t feed the trolls.

I think maybe he\'s Russian.

Cursitor Doom does seem to be English. Some of his more persistent idiocies can\'t come from anywhere else.

He does regard Russia Today as a reliable news source, but he also believes what he reads in the UK Daily Mail, which is equally silly. He doesn\'t live in the UK any more, as a tax avoidance device. He\'s probably a tax evader, but resents the suggestion that he might be one.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 05/04/2022 16:37, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
=========================
05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
Bullshit!

Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
not a war crime, it\'s murder. Putin is a murder.

When soldiers (according to the official definition of \"armed
combatants\") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
it is a war crime.


** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes \"murder\" in a war scenario.
Not one bit simple.
Unlike YOU sunshine.



...... Phil

If you tie someone\'s hands and shoot them, it doesn\'t matter what you
call it.

Same for shelling apartment buildings.

Legally - in terms of who you can prosecute, which courts can handle it,
and what punishments can be given, it matters a very great deal whether
you call it \"murder\" or a \"war crime\".

Morally - in terms of \"is this an atrocity or not\", then I agree the
terms don\'t matter. Actions are what count here.
 
On 06/04/2022 05:12, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 21:26:04 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:33:51 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
=========================
05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
Bullshit!

Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back
its not a war crime, it\'s murder. Putin is a murder.

When soldiers (according to the official definition of \"armed
combatants\") murder someone from the other side - civilian or
military - it is a war crime.


** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes \"murder\" in a
war scenario.
Not one bit simple.
Unlike YOU sunshine.



...... Phil

If you tie someone\'s hands and shoot them, it doesn\'t matter what you
call it.

Same for shelling apartment buildings.

It\'s a BIG \'if\' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.

Did people volunteer to be dead for pictures?

All sorts of news agencies are reporting from Ukraine, and tell the
same stories. No independent reporters are reporting are allowed in
Russia.



They have been in the past and will be in the future. Public
perceptions need to be carefully managed in situations like this and I
would not put anything past Zelensky.

How about the BBC?

The BBC is a solid choice for independent and unbiased (except obviously
for the bias in reporting on things of interest to the UK) news. No
media is perfect, but state-funded media from free, democratic and open
countries work very hard to be free from any perceptible bias.
Privately owned media can show whatever subjective views their owners
want. (And of course state media from non-free countries have to say
whatever the state tells them.)

I\'d also recommend NRK, which is the Norwegian equivalent of the BBC, as
a solid source of independent information. It has the disadvantage, for
non-Norwegians, of being in Norwegian. I don\'t know of any other
English-language equivalent to the BBC - maybe there is something from
Canada or New Zealand? The American CNN news is, I think, quite
reliable but you always have to be a little suspicious of hidden agenda
when it has private owners.

Al Jazeera is another option for a source that strives to be unbiased,
and is certainly not pro-west.

Comparing multiple independent sources is always good.

This *is* \"one man\'s war\" as the media keep telling us. But it\'s of
Zelensky\'s making - not Putin.

Good grief. Putin poisons people he doesn\'t like.

Cursitor Doom is a troll. Don\'t feed the trolls.

I think maybe he\'s Russian.

I don\'t think he is Russian, but he certainly seems to believe
everything Russian propaganda says without question. He also believes
in many other bizarre conspiracy theories and myths.

I don\'t think he is a troll, however - I think he really has had his
brains turned to mush from too much RT.
 
On 05/04/2022 23:32, Phil Allison wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
==================================

Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
not a war crime, it\'s murder. Putin is a murder.

When soldiers (according to the official definition of \"armed
combatants\") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
it is a war crime.


** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes \"murder\" in a war scenario.
Not one bit simple.
Unlike YOU sunshine.


If you tie someone\'s hands and shoot them, it doesn\'t matter what you
call it.

** How about will call it Fred ?

Same for shelling apartment buildings.

** But fire bombing them like the UK and USA did in WW2 is OK ?
Not one bit simple.....

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism>

The UK, the USA, and every other country involved in WW2 committed
atrocities - including fire bombing.

Whether or not you think they were justified as a means to an end, and
preventing further deaths or misery, is a different question - and one
with many opinions. Whether they were \"legitimate attacks\" or \"war
crimes\" is a legal matter.

But no matter what any country did in the past, it is no excuse or
justification for what Russia is doing /now/.
 
On 05/04/2022 16:16, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 09:41:28 +0200, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

Yes, Putin is responsible for murder. He is /also/ a war criminal.

The Russian soldiers seem to be poorly trained and poorly lead and
poorly fed, in a war that makes no sense. The locals are shooting and
rocketing and even poisoning them. Some of them are going to get
crazy.

It wouldn\'t surprise me if some degree of terror is policy from the
very top. Putin is a psychopath.

Agreed. There\'s little doubt that the mass part of the Russian military
is scared of their own superiors. They are faced with the choice of
shooting unarmed civilian Ukrainians, or risk being shot themselves by
their own army for disobeying orders. There\'s a lot of desertion on the
Russian side.

There is also tight control of the media available to the Russian
soldiers, and they are fed propaganda about the \"evils\" they are
fighting. If they knew what actually happens to Russian soldiers who
surrender to the Ukrainians (military or civilians) - they get fed,
clothed, and treated far better than the Russian army treats them -
they\'d surrender in droves.
 
David FUCKWIT ASSHOLE Brown vomitede:
====================================
Legally -

** As if a dead cunt lie YOU has the faintest clue.


in terms of who you can prosecute, which courts can handle it,
and what punishments can be given, it matters a very great deal whether
you call it \"murder\" or a \"war crime\".

** Bullshit.

Murder is the top category of war crimes as it pertains to individual acts.





........ Phil
 
David FUCKWIT LIAR Brown wrote:
===============================
Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
not a war crime, it\'s murder. Putin is a murder.

When soldiers (according to the official definition of \"armed
combatants\") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
it is a war crime.


** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes \"murder\" in a war scenario.
Not one bit simple.
Unlike YOU sunshine.


If you tie someone\'s hands and shoot them, it doesn\'t matter what you
call it.

** How about will call it Fred ?

Same for shelling apartment buildings.

** But fire bombing them like the UK and USA did in WW2 is OK ?
Not one bit simple.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism


The UK, the USA, and every other country involved in WW2 committed
atrocities - including fire bombing.

** But none of it was SIMPLE !!!


Whether or not you think they were justified as a means to an end, and
preventing further deaths or misery, is a different question - and one
with many opinions. Whether they were \"legitimate attacks\" or \"war
crimes\" is a legal matter.

** So not something a fucking IDIOT like you should pontificate on.
=================================================


But no matter what any country did in the past, it is no excuse or
justification for what Russia is doing /now/.

** Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

FOAD you vile cunt.
 
On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 11:51:13 +0200, David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 06/04/2022 05:12, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 21:26:04 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:33:51 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
=========================
05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
Bullshit!

Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back
its not a war crime, it\'s murder. Putin is a murder.

When soldiers (according to the official definition of \"armed
combatants\") murder someone from the other side - civilian or
military - it is a war crime.


** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes \"murder\" in a
war scenario.
Not one bit simple.
Unlike YOU sunshine.



...... Phil

If you tie someone\'s hands and shoot them, it doesn\'t matter what you
call it.

Same for shelling apartment buildings.

It\'s a BIG \'if\' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.

Did people volunteer to be dead for pictures?

All sorts of news agencies are reporting from Ukraine, and tell the
same stories. No independent reporters are reporting are allowed in
Russia.



They have been in the past and will be in the future. Public
perceptions need to be carefully managed in situations like this and I
would not put anything past Zelensky.

How about the BBC?

The BBC is a solid choice for independent and unbiased (except obviously
for the bias in reporting on things of interest to the UK) news. No
media is perfect, but state-funded media from free, democratic and open
countries work very hard to be free from any perceptible bias.

Our NPR/PBS is very lefty biased. Like the NYT, they seem to have a
list of mandatory adjectives (debunked, false, lying) that they apply
to statements from certain groups. And are very selective about
reporting things like climate and corruption. A group discussion, like
Forum, is usually all lefties who reinforce one another.




Privately owned media can show whatever subjective views their owners
want. (And of course state media from non-free countries have to say
whatever the state tells them.)

I\'d also recommend NRK, which is the Norwegian equivalent of the BBC, as
a solid source of independent information. It has the disadvantage, for
non-Norwegians, of being in Norwegian. I don\'t know of any other
English-language equivalent to the BBC - maybe there is something from
Canada or New Zealand? The American CNN news is, I think, quite
reliable but you always have to be a little suspicious of hidden agenda
when it has private owners.

CNN is hard left, hardly objective.

Al Jazeera is another option for a source that strives to be unbiased,
and is certainly not pro-west.

Comparing multiple independent sources is always good.


This *is* \"one man\'s war\" as the media keep telling us. But it\'s of
Zelensky\'s making - not Putin.

Good grief. Putin poisons people he doesn\'t like.

Cursitor Doom is a troll. Don\'t feed the trolls.

I think maybe he\'s Russian.


I don\'t think he is Russian, but he certainly seems to believe
everything Russian propaganda says without question. He also believes
in many other bizarre conspiracy theories and myths.

He posted some pics on a russian photo sharing site.

I don\'t think he is a troll, however - I think he really has had his
brains turned to mush from too much RT.

It\'s astonishing how different people are.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye
 
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 14:32:03 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
==================================

Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
not a war crime, it\'s murder. Putin is a murder.

When soldiers (according to the official definition of \"armed
combatants\") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
it is a war crime.


** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes \"murder\" in a war scenario.
Not one bit simple.
Unlike YOU sunshine.


If you tie someone\'s hands and shoot them, it doesn\'t matter what you
call it.

** How about will call it Fred ?

Same for shelling apartment buildings.

** But fire bombing them like the UK and USA did in WW2 is OK ?
Not one bit simple.....

... Phil

We signed the Geneva Conventions in 1949, agreeing to protect
civilians and end Total War.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye
 
On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 12:17:22 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 11:51:13 +0200, David Brown <david...@hesbynett.no> wrote:
On 06/04/2022 05:12, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 21:26:04 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spa...@not.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:33:51 +0100, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:
David Brown wrote:
05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:

I\'d also recommend NRK, which is the Norwegian equivalent of the BBC, as
a solid source of independent information. It has the disadvantage, for
non-Norwegians, of being in Norwegian. I don\'t know of any other
English-language equivalent to the BBC - maybe there is something from
Canada or New Zealand? The American CNN news is, I think, quite
reliable but you always have to be a little suspicious of hidden agenda
when it has private owners.

CNN is hard left, hardly objective.

CNN looks \"hard left\" to John Larkin, who expects his news to be hard right.. He probably thinks that Fox News is middle of the road.

More objective observers see CNN as reporting actual news.

Al Jazeera is another option for a source that strives to be unbiased,
and is certainly not pro-west.

Comparing multiple independent sources is always good.

This *is* \"one man\'s war\" as the media keep telling us. But it\'s of Zelensky\'s making - not Putin.

Good grief. Putin poisons people he doesn\'t like.

Cursitor Doom is a troll. Don\'t feed the trolls.

I think maybe he\'s Russian.

I don\'t think he is Russian, but he certainly seems to believe
everything Russian propaganda says without question. He also believes
in many other bizarre conspiracy theories and myths.
He posted some pics on a russian photo sharing site.

I don\'t think he is a troll, however - I think he really has had his brains turned to mush from too much RT.

The Daily Mail (which Cursitor Doom also seems to take seriously) has been around for a lot longer than Russia Today, and your brains have to be mush if you if you bother to read it. I suspect that Cursitor Doom has always preferred right-wing fantasies to actual news, probably because the brains he was born with weren\'t ever up to much.
It\'s astonishing how different people are.

In Cursitor Doom\'s case, it is decidedly depressing.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 06/04/2022 16:17, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 11:51:13 +0200, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:


The BBC is a solid choice for independent and unbiased (except obviously
for the bias in reporting on things of interest to the UK) news. No
media is perfect, but state-funded media from free, democratic and open
countries work very hard to be free from any perceptible bias.

Our NPR/PBS is very lefty biased. Like the NYT, they seem to have a
list of mandatory adjectives (debunked, false, lying) that they apply
to statements from certain groups. And are very selective about
reporting things like climate and corruption. A group discussion, like
Forum, is usually all lefties who reinforce one another.

My experience - looking from the outside, rather than from within the
USA - is that when what Americans consider \"left-wing media\" gives a
significantly different report from what they consider \"right-wing
media\", the \"left-wing media\" is generally the factually accurate one.
Part of this is that what many Americans consider \"left-wing\", the rest
of the free world considers \"centre\" or \"somewhat right-wing\". Your
politics operate on a different scale to ours, and permeate your society
in a way that is alien to most Europeans.

(But maybe we should stick to war crimes in this thread, rather than
American politics. After all, we are basically agreeing for once and it
would be a shame to spoil that!)

I don\'t think he is a troll, however - I think he really has had his
brains turned to mush from too much RT.


It\'s astonishing how different people are.

Yes, absolutely.
 
On 06/04/2022 12:36, Phil Allison wrote:
David FUCKWIT LIAR Brown wrote:
===============================

Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
not a war crime, it\'s murder. Putin is a murder.

When soldiers (according to the official definition of \"armed
combatants\") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
it is a war crime.


** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes \"murder\" in a war scenario.
Not one bit simple.
Unlike YOU sunshine.


If you tie someone\'s hands and shoot them, it doesn\'t matter what you
call it.

** How about will call it Fred ?

Same for shelling apartment buildings.

** But fire bombing them like the UK and USA did in WW2 is OK ?
Not one bit simple.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism


The UK, the USA, and every other country involved in WW2 committed
atrocities - including fire bombing.

** But none of it was SIMPLE !!!

Of course not. I don\'t believe anyone suggested it was.

Whether or not you think they were justified as a means to an end, and
preventing further deaths or misery, is a different question - and one
with many opinions. Whether they were \"legitimate attacks\" or \"war
crimes\" is a legal matter.


** So not something a fucking IDIOT like you should pontificate on.
=================================================

I assume you don\'t know what the word \"pontificate\" means.

But no matter what any country did in the past, it is no excuse or
justification for what Russia is doing /now/.


** Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

FOAD you vile cunt.

Do you talk like this in real life? (I am assuming, perhaps
incorrectly, that you have a real life outside of trying to be as
unpleasant as possible in Internet groups.)
 
On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:31:00 +0200, David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 06/04/2022 16:17, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 11:51:13 +0200, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:


The BBC is a solid choice for independent and unbiased (except obviously
for the bias in reporting on things of interest to the UK) news. No
media is perfect, but state-funded media from free, democratic and open
countries work very hard to be free from any perceptible bias.

Our NPR/PBS is very lefty biased. Like the NYT, they seem to have a
list of mandatory adjectives (debunked, false, lying) that they apply
to statements from certain groups. And are very selective about
reporting things like climate and corruption. A group discussion, like
Forum, is usually all lefties who reinforce one another.


My experience - looking from the outside, rather than from within the
USA - is that when what Americans consider \"left-wing media\" gives a
significantly different report from what they consider \"right-wing
media\", the \"left-wing media\" is generally the factually accurate one.

I don\'t see that. I\'d like a news source that doesn\'t select and edit
any facts to prove their idealogical points.

The american media, like academia, is overwhelmingly Democrats, and
their thinking shows it.




Part of this is that what many Americans consider \"left-wing\", the rest
of the free world considers \"centre\" or \"somewhat right-wing\". Your
politics operate on a different scale to ours, and permeate your society
in a way that is alien to most Europeans.

Good luck with the next European war.


(But maybe we should stick to war crimes in this thread, rather than
American politics. After all, we are basically agreeing for once and it
would be a shame to spoil that!)

Yikes, a love fest on SED? No way.

I don\'t think he is a troll, however - I think he really has had his
brains turned to mush from too much RT.


It\'s astonishing how different people are.


Yes, absolutely.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye
 
[...]

Bullshit!

Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their
back its not a war crime, it\'s murder. Putin is a murder.

When soldiers (according to the official definition of \"armed
combatants\") murder someone from the other side - civilian or
military - it is a war crime.


** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes \"murder\"
in a war scenario.

[...]

If you tie someone\'s hands and shoot them, it doesn\'t matter what
you call it.

Same for shelling apartment buildings.

It\'s a BIG \'if\' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.

Did people volunteer to be dead for pictures?

All sorts of news agencies are reporting from Ukraine, and tell the
same stories. No independent reporters are reporting are allowed in
Russia.

[...]

Tortured and murdered civilians: how Russia’s occupiers have taken Kyiv
region residents\' lives away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37v1AZ7uBBg
- UATV English

Ukraine War: Satellite images show bodies in Bucha streets before Ukrainian
takeover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzBsWcpmZso
- Sky News

Satellite pictures challenge Russia’s denials over Ukraine killings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6L4FaP9scw
- Al Jazeera English

Satellite images show bodies in Bucha for weeks, rebutting Moscow claim •
FRANCE 24 English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nus8Ac6abk4
- FRANCE 24 English

War in Ukraine: New satellite images show what appears to be mass grave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YCtPdEg2g4
- WFAA

Traces of the massacre in Bucha reflected on satellite images
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUdOruQmBoY
- Breaking News USA

Satellite images appear to show Russian atrocities in Bucha, Ukraine - BBC
News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLvxzX2CIbs
- BBC News

Mass graves, civilian bodies discovered in Bucha, Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE32gwNFfbc
- Washington Post

Satellite images show bodies in Bucha for weeks, rebutting Moscow claim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn-ibpN0NAI
- INQUIRER.net

Satellite Images Contradict Russia\'s Claims On Bucha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmz88XxI65Y
- MSNBC

Satellite images of mass grave site in Bucha contradicts Russian claims |
LiveNOW from FOX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPTZ0Zc2tPk
- LiveNOW from FOX

West prepares more sanctions on Russia as Bucha killings in Ukraine shock
the world | English News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1HWWUT485Y
- WION

Russian fakes about mass murders in Bucha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXKwIXPXNEg
- UATV English

- and so on


--
MRM
 
On 06/04/2022 18:40, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:31:00 +0200, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 06/04/2022 16:17, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 11:51:13 +0200, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:


The BBC is a solid choice for independent and unbiased (except obviously
for the bias in reporting on things of interest to the UK) news. No
media is perfect, but state-funded media from free, democratic and open
countries work very hard to be free from any perceptible bias.

Our NPR/PBS is very lefty biased. Like the NYT, they seem to have a
list of mandatory adjectives (debunked, false, lying) that they apply
to statements from certain groups. And are very selective about
reporting things like climate and corruption. A group discussion, like
Forum, is usually all lefties who reinforce one another.


My experience - looking from the outside, rather than from within the
USA - is that when what Americans consider \"left-wing media\" gives a
significantly different report from what they consider \"right-wing
media\", the \"left-wing media\" is generally the factually accurate one.

I don\'t see that. I\'d like a news source that doesn\'t select and edit
any facts to prove their idealogical points.

As someone used to non-political media, I find the whole concept of
politically biased media bizarre - whatever the bias. News media is
supposed to report what politicians do and say (and other news,
obviously) - not take sides as to whether or not they agree with the
politics.

The american media, like academia, is overwhelmingly Democrats, and
their thinking shows it.

Serious media are staffed by people who are trained to investigate and
analyse, trying to understand the truth of the major issues of the day.
Academics are trained to research, investigate, learn, teach, and
discover. Both groups are - in general - well-educated and intelligent
people who are aiming to find objective facts and tell people about
them. (They are still imperfect humans, of course, and there are always
a few bad apples - but that\'s the general idea.)

So what you are saying is that the people who are motivated to find
objective facts and determine the truth of things, who are intelligent
enough for the job, and have good education for the purpose - they tend
to say things that agree a lot more with Democrats than Republicans?

To me, that sounds like the Democrats have a much firmer grasp of
reality, while the Republicans are much more likely to make stuff up or
get things wrong. While being very aware that there are plenty of
exceptions, this does sound like the general pattern in American politics.

Part of this is that what many Americans consider \"left-wing\", the rest
of the free world considers \"centre\" or \"somewhat right-wing\". Your
politics operate on a different scale to ours, and permeate your society
in a way that is alien to most Europeans.

Good luck with the next European war.

I don\'t follow you at all here. First, the \"next European war\" is
happening right now. Secondly, NATO means our wars are your wars, your
wars are our wars. We might view American politicians as mostly either
mildly right-wing or extreme right-wing, but we are still quite clear
that we are all in the \"free, open and democratic\" group of countries.

Maybe you are simply not aware that it is possible to have a society
where people are not divided into reds and blues.
 
On 4/5/2022 2:37 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 23:24:29 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

The longer the world manages to stumble along more-or-less OK despite
these dopes best efforts to annihilate it becomes ever more evidence of
a personal God, IMO.

Or the next best thing!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-air-force-personnel-ufos-deactivated-nukes/

Lol, ET may have had many decades of our TV broadcasts to observe, hard
to believe they would bother after we spammed them like that.
 

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