varicaps?

J

John Larkin

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They seem to be getting obsolete. Maybe I can cheat and use a regular
pn diode.

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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 12:02:21 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
They seem to be getting obsolete. Maybe I can cheat and use a regular
pn diode.

I wonder if it's practical to use a MOSFET's Coss as a varicap. I haven't seen it done.
 
John Larkin wrote:

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They seem to be getting obsolete.

** On which planet ?

The on-line catalogs are full of them.

The world of RF lives on them.


...... Phil
 
"Phil Allison" wrote in message
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John Larkin wrote:

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They seem to be getting obsolete.

** On which planet ?

The on-line catalogs are full of them.

The world of RF lives on them.

Yes

-- Kevin Aylward
http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html
 
"sea moss" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 12:02:21 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
They seem to be getting obsolete. Maybe I can cheat and use a regular
pn diode.

I wonder if it's practical to use a MOSFET's Coss as a varicap. I haven't
seen it done.

Standard technique in ASIC design

-- Kevin Aylward
http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html
 
On Wed, 01 Apr 2020 12:02:11 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

They seem to be getting obsolete. Maybe I can cheat and use a regular
pn diode.

I can find Skyworks singles in the nasty little SC79 package, or even
smaller. Not many duals. The MMBVs are mostly obsolete.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
I wonder if it's practical to use a MOSFET's Coss as a varicap. I haven't
seen it done.

Standard technique in ASIC design

-- Kevin Aylward
http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html

Cool. I should have googled it first, there's a few examples out there.
 
"sea moss" <danluster81@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 12:02:21 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
They seem to be getting obsolete. Maybe I can cheat and use a regular
pn diode.

I wonder if it's practical to use a MOSFET's Coss as a varicap. I haven't
seen it done.

Sure is. But you only get a few volts range before it turns on, and it's
controlled by Vds, so turn-on is obviously a bit of a problem. Still, that
leaves you will the full negative-gate bias range. And it's very stable
with respect to Vgs, AFAIK, good news for linearity.

Tim

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Seven Transistor Labs, LLC
Electrical Engineering Consultation and Design
Website: https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/
 
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 12:48:34 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

-----------------------

They seem to be getting obsolete.


** On which planet ?

The on-line catalogs are full of them.

The world of RF lives on them.


..... Phil

Thank you. You are always so friendly and helpful.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On 2020-04-01 16:20, sea moss wrote:
I wonder if it's practical to use a MOSFET's Coss as a varicap. I haven't
seen it done.

Standard technique in ASIC design

-- Kevin Aylward
http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html

Cool. I should have googled it first, there's a few examples out there.
There are pots of low-pF ones on Digikey. The 1000-pFish ones (MVAM108
etc.) are long gone, and the tens-to-hundreds range is declining. My
fave MV209 is a distant memory, but BB201s are still in stock.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
onsdag den 1. april 2020 kl. 23.01.15 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 12:39:39 -0700 (PDT), sea moss
danluster81@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 12:02:21 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
They seem to be getting obsolete. Maybe I can cheat and use a regular
pn diode.

I wonder if it's practical to use a MOSFET's Coss as a varicap. I haven't seen it done.

I need a small range, maybe a change of 0.2 pF over 5 volts bias
swing. The c-b junction of some small transistor might work. I think
varicaps have special doping profiles to tune the c-v curve, but I'll
be working at fairly high voltages, 10V maybe, and that looks to be
out of the hyperabrupt zone. I'd like a constant voltage-frequency
curve, but that ain't going to happen.

I'm tuning a 150 MHz LC oscillator a few thousand PPM, part of a
bizarre digital PLL.

Looks like I can get some low-capacitance Skyworks singles in SC79.

http://www.radio.walkingitaly.com/radio/RADIOSITO/za_fatti/tutorial/diodi/d_var/old/index.htm
 
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 12:39:39 -0700 (PDT), sea moss
<danluster81@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 12:02:21 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
They seem to be getting obsolete. Maybe I can cheat and use a regular
pn diode.

I wonder if it's practical to use a MOSFET's Coss as a varicap. I haven't seen it done.

I need a small range, maybe a change of 0.2 pF over 5 volts bias
swing. The c-b junction of some small transistor might work. I think
varicaps have special doping profiles to tune the c-v curve, but I'll
be working at fairly high voltages, 10V maybe, and that looks to be
out of the hyperabrupt zone. I'd like a constant voltage-frequency
curve, but that ain't going to happen.

I'm tuning a 150 MHz LC oscillator a few thousand PPM, part of a
bizarre digital PLL.

Looks like I can get some low-capacitance Skyworks singles in SC79.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 2:01:15 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

I need a small range, maybe a change of 0.2 pF over 5 volts bias
swing. The c-b junction of some small transistor might work.

A power Zener will have larger area and a good range of reverse-bias with low leakage.
Realistically, though, probably ANY diode other than a RF type will have
significant capacitance and likely can do this.

Because Rbb can be high in a 'small transistor', I'd try a cheap zener for
tuning a high-Q oscillator.
 
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 16:56:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-01 16:20, sea moss wrote:

I wonder if it's practical to use a MOSFET's Coss as a varicap. I haven't
seen it done.

Standard technique in ASIC design

-- Kevin Aylward
http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html

Cool. I should have googled it first, there's a few examples out there.

There are pots of low-pF ones on Digikey. The 1000-pFish ones (MVAM108
etc.) are long gone, and the tens-to-hundreds range is declining. My
fave MV209 is a distant memory, but BB201s are still in stock.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

According to my Boonton, a BFT25 c-b junction only goes from about 0.7
pF to around 0.65 from 0 to 6 volts. There's probably a bit of fixture
capacitance too. Not a very good varicap.

I want a delta-c around 0.15 pF roughly, maybe 0.2. My dac+opamp could
go to 20 volts.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
Joerg wrote:

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Up to about 30pf they'll likely remain. Skyworks and such. Those with
large capacitances lost their market.

** AM radio has disappeared ??

News to me.


.... Phil
 
On 2020-04-01 12:02, John Larkin wrote:
They seem to be getting obsolete.

Up to about 30pf they'll likely remain. Skyworks and such. Those with
large capacitances lost their market.


... Maybe I can cheat and use a regular
pn diode.

You won't get much capacitance range out of those. For really large
capacitances you could use Z5U ceramic caps. They lose a lot of
capacitance when approaching their max DC voltage so can act as a poor
man's varicap.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
 
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:31:01 PM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
Joerg wrote:

-------------

Up to about 30pf they'll likely remain. Skyworks and such. Those with
large capacitances lost their market.



** AM radio has disappeared ??

News to me.

My car doesn't even receive AM, only FM, Sirius XM and Slacker Internet radio. Oh, and bluetooth from your phone. But no AM radio. I think they could do that 100% in software if they wanted to. It's only 1600 kHz max frequency.

--

Rick C.

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Rick C is the Centre of his own Universe wrote:

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Up to about 30pf they'll likely remain. Skyworks and such. Those with
large capacitances lost their market.


** AM radio has disappeared ??

News to me.

My car doesn't even receive AM,

** So misses out on 4000 or so stations in the US alone.

AM broadcast will never disappear, it's just too damn useful.


> Sirius XM and Slacker Internet radio.

** How rediculous.

But no AM radio. think they could do that 100% in software if they wanted to. It's only 1600 kHz max frequency.

** Only a snowflake, code scribbler could think that was smart.

Can only think in 1s and 0s.


...... Phil
 
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 8:41:25 PM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
Rick C is the Centre of his own Universe wrote:

--

Up to about 30pf they'll likely remain. Skyworks and such. Those with
large capacitances lost their market.


** AM radio has disappeared ??

News to me.

My car doesn't even receive AM,


** So misses out on 4000 or so stations in the US alone.

AM broadcast will never disappear, it's just too damn useful.


Sirius XM and Slacker Internet radio.

** How rediculous.

But no AM radio. think they could do that 100% in software if they wanted to. It's only 1600 kHz max frequency.


** Only a snowflake, code scribbler could think that was smart.

Can only think in 1s and 0s.

This guy is constantly screaming at others, I can only imagine how much he screams at himself. I feel sorry for you. You have my sympathy and condolences.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
Am 02.04.20 um 02:41 schrieb Phil Allison:

** So misses out on 4000 or so stations in the US alone.

AM broadcast will never disappear, it's just too damn useful.

Here in Europe it has disappeared without a trace.

The masses moved to FM 40 years ago and now to a digital mode
which is harder to sell to the people.

I think I have posted here already the pointer to the clip
where they blew up the towers of our local 1.6 MW monster on 1422 KHz.
Europawelle Saar, it used to be an easy victim for my first detector
receiver when I was a kid.

Gerhard
 

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