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suppose if you were really moving in relativistic terms, it would beOn Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:51:06 -0700, Lizard Blizzard <NOSPAM@rsccd.org
wrote:
oldsoundguy wrote:
[snip]
my Linear .. Dolby 5.1 amp set up (on all the time) 32'HDTV .. screen
WOW! You must have a theater with a screen that big!
[snip]
that was the intent!!
LOL. i haven't seen a big screen TV that big. not even projected. i
In article <blrv6f$ppv$1@news.eusc.inter.net>, jerryg50@hotmail.com
says...
[big snip]
Well, with all those followups, I've yet to see an answer to my"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19eb0c30ca01a8a7989770@news.dslextreme.com...
I was watching the local ABC News and they had a piece on vampire
appliances. They said that an appliance could be using about 5 watts
when it's turned off, and that's about $4.00 a month. This sounded a
bit high to me. But since I don't get an electric bill, I have no way
to tell.
5 watt-hours times 730 hours a month is 3650 watt-hours or 3.65 kWh.
More than a dollar a kWh?
I remember back in the late '70s and early '80s there was a guy whoat least my CPUs have a fan to force the air through the coffee filters
that keep the above implied dust out.
brs,
mike
If you were really moving in relatiistic terms, the Doppler effect orIn article <sdt3ov0194gd1n2te46antvvoclrggqcj5@4ax.com>, soundguy2
@worldnet.att.net says...
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:51:06 -0700, Lizard Blizzard <NOSPAM@rsccd.org
wrote:
oldsoundguy wrote:
[snip]
my Linear .. Dolby 5.1 amp set up (on all the time) 32'HDTV .. screen
WOW! You must have a theater with a screen that big!
[snip]
that was the intent!!
LOL. i haven't seen a big screen TV that big. not even projected. i
suppose if you were really moving in relativistic terms, it would be
that big,
brs,
mike
In article <blrv6f$ppv$1@news.eusc.inter.net>, jerryg50@hotmail.com
says...
[big snip]
Well, with all those followups, I've yet to see an answer to my"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19eb0c30ca01a8a7989770@news.dslextreme.com...
I was watching the local ABC News and they had a piece on vampire
appliances. They said that an appliance could be using about 5 watts
when it's turned off, and that's about $4.00 a month. This sounded a
bit high to me. But since I don't get an electric bill, I have no way
to tell.
5 watt-hours times 730 hours a month is 3650 watt-hours or 3.65 kWh.
More than a dollar a kWh?
the house as a result of power supplies idling without doing any work.I was watching the local ABC News and they had a piece on vampire
appliances. They said that an appliance could be using about 5 watts
when it's turned off, and that's about $4.00 a month. This sounded a
bit high to me. But since I don't get an electric bill, I have no way
to tell.
5 watt-hours times 730 hours a month is 3650 watt-hours or 3.65 kWh.
More than a dollar a kWh?
This is probably good info. if they mean average wasted power around
My equipment doesn't draw any power when off because they are connected to oneCD player OFF 10 watts
Cable amplifier ON:noreading
Cable convertor OFF 16.3 watts
GE TV OFF: no reading
Microwave OFF: 4.3 watts
Sony TV OFF: 12 watts
VCR OFF 14 watts
Computer printer OFF 9.6 watts
Word Processing TypeW 10.0 watts
Police Scanner OFF 3.0 watts
Computer scanner OFF 5 Watts
socket, and then plug your device into.Ian Stirling wrote:
In sci.electronics.misc Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote:
I was watching the local ABC News and they had a piece on vampire
appliances. They said that an appliance could be using about 5 watts
when it's turned off, and that's about $4.00 a month. This sounded a
bit high to me. But since I don't get an electric bill, I have no way
to tell.
snip
Some devices draw lots more power when "off".
My satellite reciever draws almost exactly the same power when off and
when on. Off is around 30W, on around 32.
snip
They mention that sat rcvrs draw almost as much power. What did you use
to measure the power with? A DMM on the AC current range? Then
multiply by the line voltage? I sure miss my Amprobe, which got stolen.
Really handy, however it required that the hot lead of the line cord
be separated from the others.
It was a kila-watt clone, which is a little device you plug into the
Yeah that sounds about right .CD player OFF 10 watts
Cable amplifier ON:noreading
Cable convertor OFF 16.3 watts
GE TV OFF: no reading
Microwave OFF: 4.3 watts
Sony TV OFF: 12 watts
VCR OFF 14 watts
Computer printer OFF 9.6 watts
Word Processing TypeW 10.0 watts
Police Scanner OFF 3.0 watts
Computer scanner OFF 5 Watts
My equipment doesn't draw any power when off because they are connected to one
central power tap. When the equipment is not in use, I simply yank one plug
and everything is isolated from the mains. However, I did this to protect my
equipment from lightning and power surge damage in the only sure way: by
unpluggging. - Reinhart
Please re-read the OP below. He says he doesn't get an electric bill.Depending on your location, the cost can vary from about $0.02 ( two cents )
to about $0.20 ( twenty cents ) per kW/hr. This is for most parts of North
America. You should check on your power bill for the cost that they are
charging to you, or call them.
Many power companies pro-rate their pricing. As you use more, the price will
drop, as per volume discounting. In some regions where they want the
customers to use less, they pro-rate the cost in the opposite direction.
Some power distributors, want to give preference to industrial users,
therefore, they charge higher rates, as the user consumes more power. This
is known as "reverse pro-rated costing".
To know your rates, and how they work from your power distributor, you
should call them and ask.
"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19eb0c30ca01a8a7989770@news.dslextreme.com...
I was watching the local ABC News and they had a piece on vampire
appliances. They said that an appliance could be using about 5 watts
when it's turned off, and that's about $4.00 a month. This sounded a
bit high to me. But since I don't get an electric bill, I have
no way
to tell.
5 watt-hours times 730 hours a month is 3650 watt-hours or 3.65 kWh.
More than a dollar a kWh?
It was probably below the current I could measure with the clamp on.The cable TV amplifier is drawing current. The meter you used probably
cannot measure it because of its load characteristics. A simple DVM or home
type Amp meter is not sophisticated to take accurate readings on devices
that are very reactive, or non linear in their power consumption rate. But,
you have a very good idea of what is going on, according to your
descriptions.
The GE TV is an old set WITH a remote control.Your cable TV amplifier should be drawing about 0.8 to about 1.5 Watts on
the average. If your GE TV is an old set without remote control operation,
then it would be using a hard power switch, and draw no power when off. It
would normally be pulling about 3 to 6 Watts on the average in the OFF mode,
if it is a modern set. Due to the characteristics of the power supply, your
meter is not measuring it properly. Check the specifications in the user
booklet that came with the set. Usually for most models they will indicate
the power off, power consumption.
Only my scanner has a volatile memory that requires batteries. In theYou can put external power switches to devices, but their internal
processors will stop working. If you have pre-set memories and etc, these
will be lost after some time. Some units will loose these in about 20
minutes or so. Others with backup batteries will hold it much longer, but
you will be changing the batteries from time to time. This has an added
cost. If these units are using internal batteries on the circuit boards,
you will be in for some extra maintenance work, that will also be more
costly in the end.
Wow! that's a big waste of power.In a home that we tested we have a number of devices that are pulling
current when off. We have done a number of homes for power consumption
evaluation. This is a typical family home. We have about 7 months a year
where heating is required, and about 3 months a year where a lot of air
conditioning is required. There is about 2 months of the year where the
temperatures are moderate, and heating and air conditioning costs are low.
We have been doing power evaluations for homes, and below is a typical
medium family home. You would be surprised with all the modern type
appliances, what the actual power consumption is. If you add up the whole
country, this is a very large number for all the devices when turned off!
Maybe we should go back to the 1960's type design without the computer
controlled options...
4 TV sets 20 Watts
3 Computer monitors 15 Watts
1 Short wave radio 3 Watts
2 Cable TV amplifiers 2 Watts
3 Computers 30 Watts
5 Electric Clocks 12 Watts
1 Microwave Oven 6 Watts
1 Electric Stove 6 Watts
1 Fax Machine 5 Watts
1 Alarm System 15 Watts
4 Cordless Telephones 15 Watts
1 Sound System 20 Watts ( all units together )
1 Cable TV Decoder 40 Watts
2 VCR's 16 Watts
1 DVD Player 10 Watts
I did measure all the useful loads to see where to save money. IThis list does not cover the cost of cooking, freezers, refrigerators, air
conditioning, lighting, washing machine, dryer, and heating. The
refrigerator, freezer, air conditioners, furnace, and washing machine, are
the most costly devices in the home when evaluated over a long duration.
Since the freezer, furnace, air conditioner, and refrigerator use
microcomputer controlled electronic thermostats instead of the mechanical
ones (like 20 years ago), they each also pull about 5 Watts of power on the
average when in the standby mode.
It would be good to know what the power meter bias is doing to yourThe list above, not including the major appliances, heating, air
conditioning, and lighting, gives a total of 215 Watts for standby power
devices. The rate is about $0.05 US Kw/Hr, pro-rated to $0.07 US Kw/Hr. In
our area, this evaluation example would cost $0.0129 US per hour average.
This is $0.31 US per day, or $9.28 per month average. At this rate, nothing
has been turned on yet.
I can see your point. Living alone with time away from home, and aThis household has an average power bill of about $130 US per month when
including the usage of all the utilities. This is $1560.00 US per year. In
relation to running a complete household, I would not complain about the
standby costs.
I'm a believer in the compact florescent lamps.We found that using compact florescent lamps give a big cost savings for
power consumption. Some people do not like the type of light they give off.
They are more expensive to purchase, but they do make up in the final cost
over their lifespan. The best buys are the ones that go on sale from time to
time. In the fall we generally see them reduced in purchase price by about
30%. This is the time to stock up on them. The brand name does not make
much difference, since it is only a few companies producing them, and they
all must meet the UL and CSA standards.
A 12 Watt compact florescent will give off nearly the same amount of light
as a 60 or 70 Watt incandescent lamp. This gives about a 4 times savings in
the power consumption. The only drawback with these is that most types
cannot be used on a dimmer, if you want dimmers. The dimmer type models are
much more expensive, and then there will be a much less cost savings. In
areas where the lights are left on very often, such as the kitchen,
hallways, outdoor address box, and other similar places where there are no
dimmers installed, are the ideal places for these types of lamps.
Jerry G. wrote:
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Infact, the old
1960's electric clocks with motors in them, required more current to operate
than today's modern LED and LCD clocks.
The quartz sweep second hand clocks run for a year off a single AA cell.
So no power at all needed from the wall outlet.
The earlier appliances when
operating required much more wattage to get the same job done, therefore,
you will not win with this situation.
One of the ladies at work replaced her old fridge with a new energy
efficient one. Her electric bill went down fifty dollars a month(!)
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Er, you mean kWh, I presume..New Fridges run 460 to 525 KW a year (~50kw/month), almost 2/3 of what a 20 year old unit will do.
Cheers
"Lizard Blizzard" <NOSPAM@rsccd.org> wrote in message news:blshj4$4c9ak$1@hades.csu.net...
Jerry G. wrote:
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I've found a significant saving can also be to add a tiny AC fan acrossPower saving number two was to start cleaning the compressor coils on
the fridge once a year.
Just don't do this on freezers that have the condensor coils buried inIn sci.electronics.misc default <R75/5@defaulter.net> wrote:
snip
Power saving number two was to start cleaning the compressor coils on
the fridge once a year.
I've found a significant saving can also be to add a tiny AC fan across
the fridge motor, if it's not very well ventilated, to keep hot air from
pooling.
Also, a couple of inches of insulation foam on each side of the fridge can
cut its energy use significantly.
come on when the compressor did and used cheap 6" desk fans to coolIn sci.electronics.misc default <R75/5@defaulter.net> wrote:
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Power saving number two was to start cleaning the compressor coils on
the fridge once a year.
I've found a significant saving can also be to add a tiny AC fan across
the fridge motor, if it's not very well ventilated, to keep hot air from
pooling.
I did that with a small fridge I used for beer. Wired a receptacle to
unit. A fan draws air across them from floor level (and every bit ofAlso, a couple of inches of insulation foam on each side of the fridge can
cut its energy use significantly.
I have a hotpoint (will never buy another) the coils are under the
Some refrigerators use their sides as the heat emitting surface.In sci.electronics.misc default <R75/5@defaulter.net> wrote:
snip
Power saving number two was to start cleaning the compressor coils on
the fridge once a year.
I've found a significant saving can also be to add a tiny AC fan across
the fridge motor, if it's not very well ventilated, to keep hot air from
pooling.
Also, a couple of inches of insulation foam on each side of the fridge can
cut its energy use significantly.
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