Vacuuming Tool?

Jim Thompson wrote:

Adding RAM(*), I discovered dust down in the fins of the CPU heat
exchanger.

Fan blades too closely spaced to get a standard vacuum tool to reach
the fins.

So I improvised, using a soda straw held into the opening of my Dust
Devil hand-held.

Worked, but somewhat a PITA.

Anyone know of tools made for the purpose?

(*) Found the cause of my peculiar crashes... when you run out of RAM
XP doesn't respond gracefully.

With Windows Explorer, Eudora, Agent, and The Calendar Planner open
I'm now using 555MB out of 982MB available... No wonder I'd get a
crash when I had only 512MB and then tried to open Excel as well ;-)

...Jim Thompson
One more reason to *not* use XP; Win2K would have been "graceful" and
implimented virtual RAM, which would slow some operations down by a
large amount.
 
martin.shoebridge wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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Adding RAM(*), I discovered dust down in the fins of the CPU heat
exchanger.

Fan blades too closely spaced to get a standard vacuum tool to reach
the fins.

So I improvised, using a soda straw held into the opening of my Dust
Devil hand-held.

Worked, but somewhat a PITA.

Anyone know of tools made for the purpose?


A paint brush........ !


A damp Q-tip and a toothpick or other small impliment to prevent the
blades fromturning' advance hold position as need; exchange tips/ends as
need.
Works like a charm.
 
Paul E. Schoen wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:05:21 -0500, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

Adding RAM(*), I discovered dust down in the fins of the CPU heat
exchanger.

Fan blades too closely spaced to get a standard vacuum tool to reach
the fins.

So I improvised, using a soda straw held into the opening of my Dust
Devil hand-held.

Worked, but somewhat a PITA.

Anyone know of tools made for the purpose?

(*) Found the cause of my peculiar crashes... when you run out of RAM
XP doesn't respond gracefully.

With Windows Explorer, Eudora, Agent, and The Calendar Planner open
I'm now using 555MB out of 982MB available... No wonder I'd get a
crash when I had only 512MB and then tried to open Excel as well ;-)

...Jim Thompson

something wrong with your swap file then.
did you by any chance turn it off?

Not that I know of. Looks like I've left everything there as default.


or are you short on Disk space?

Nope. Using 21GB out of 80GB available.

I never had such peculiarities until I moved "up" to WinXp Pro from
Win2K. I'm sorry I ever did that.



I think WinXP is still susceptible to cumulative memory leaks. It seems
like it gets bogged down (and even refuses to do some things) after it's
been running for several days. Then when I try to shut it down, it hangs
until I tap the power button, then it sometimes hangs again until I do the
5 second power-off reset. Then it's usually good to go for a while again.
Well behaved programs probably don't cause memory leaks, but I do
programming, which sometimes results in access errors and memory leaks when
debugging. It's a lot more stable than WinMe, however!

Paul


I think that the strategy to prevent "memory leaks" is to allocate
the memory in consecutive blocks as needed, and de-allocate in reverse
order. Make sure all of it is "above" program area.
So useage of those blocks must be pre-planned to allow that method.
Have done that up to (almost) 2Gbytes of total RAM used for 6-12
blocks of RAM.
 
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:34:29 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

[snip]
The only true crashes I've seen under Win2K pro are when the graphics
card runs of memory, and then it is not very graceful at all.

.. back in the cold. 8-(


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
Did you find a pleasant brunch?

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
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martin.shoebridge wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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Adding RAM(*), I discovered dust down in the fins of the CPU heat
exchanger.

Fan blades too closely spaced to get a standard vacuum tool to reach
the fins.

So I improvised, using a soda straw held into the opening of my Dust
Devil hand-held.

Worked, but somewhat a PITA.

Anyone know of tools made for the purpose?


A paint brush........ !
A damp Q-tip and a toothpick or other small impliment to prevent the
blades fromturning' advance hold position as need; exchange tips/ends as
need.
Works like a charm.
So far it seems like trying to clean the CPU cooler without removing the
fan, as I smoke my CPU fan develops a wad of dust gummed together with
cigarette tar - there is no alternative to taking the fan off, while its off
its a good idea to peel the label off the hub and see if it has a plastic
bung hiding the bearing, a squirt of neat Slick-50 here works wonders (nice
quiet bearing).
 
ian field wrote:

So far it seems like trying to clean the CPU cooler without removing the
fan, as I smoke my CPU fan develops a wad of dust gummed together with
cigarette tar - there is no alternative to taking the fan off, while its off
its a good idea to peel the label off the hub and see if it has a plastic
bung hiding the bearing, a squirt of neat Slick-50 here works wonders (nice
quiet bearing).
And that is just second hand smoke. Imagine what your lungs look like!
Can you clean them out with a squirt of Slick-50?

-Chuck
 
"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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ian field wrote:

So far it seems like trying to clean the CPU cooler without removing the
fan, as I smoke my CPU fan develops a wad of dust gummed together with
cigarette tar - there is no alternative to taking the fan off, while its
off its a good idea to peel the label off the hub and see if it has a
plastic bung hiding the bearing, a squirt of neat Slick-50 here works
wonders (nice quiet bearing).

And that is just second hand smoke. Imagine what your lungs look like!
Can you clean them out with a squirt of Slick-50?

-Chuck
Recently released figures show that children who grow up near busy roads
suffer at least 10% reduction in lung capacity. Back in the days of (mostly)
tube TVs I bought a lorry load of sets from a dealer in London for
refurbishment and resale, when I opened the backs I found the tubes sticking
out of a thick carpet of soot and exhaust particulates - all the other
components were completely buried.

Seems to me smoking is the least of anyone's worries!!!
 
"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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ian field wrote:

So far it seems like trying to clean the CPU cooler without removing the
fan, as I smoke my CPU fan develops a wad of dust gummed together with
cigarette tar - there is no alternative to taking the fan off, while its
off
its a good idea to peel the label off the hub and see if it has a
plastic
bung hiding the bearing, a squirt of neat Slick-50 here works wonders
(nice
quiet bearing).

And that is just second hand smoke. Imagine what your lungs look like!
Can you clean them out with a squirt of Slick-50?

-Chuck
As a child of 7 in 1962, I recall wondering why Dad's cigarette smoke was
bluish from the end of the cigarette and white when he exhaled it. Years
later, he paid the price in requiring supplemental O2 and suffered the pain
of slowly drowning due to emphysema.

Nope, I'll never smoke...
 
In message <gf0qr21h5e06qer2bgr7m6fabnag534htb@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> writes
Worked, but somewhat a PITA.
I bet, but how much is your time worth per hour?

Anyone know of tools made for the purpose?
Nope, replace it, the fan's probably worn out or close to. Not worth the
bother cleaning them unless your house is excessively dusty, it clogs up
*quickly* and your time is not worth much, although it's kind of
satisfying cleaning and reusing.

If I really feel the need to reuse HSAs then I usually separate the fan,
wash the heatsink and dry it, replace the thermal compound and use a
paint brush on the fan. If the fan loses its 'bounce' then it gets
replaced. Difficult to explain but people will know what I mean if
they've seen it, if the bearing is in good condition on a fan, the
blades sort of bounce when they come to rest as the stator and magnet
align themselves.

Almost definitely not worth my time to do this unless the assembly is
very special so it's really not worth your time Jim unless you're
looking for some mind numbing grunt work to relax with.
--
Clint Sharp
 
ian field wrote:

Recently released figures show that children who grow up near busy roads
suffer at least 10% reduction in lung capacity. Back in the days of (mostly)
tube TVs I bought a lorry load of sets from a dealer in London for
refurbishment and resale, when I opened the backs I found the tubes sticking
out of a thick carpet of soot and exhaust particulates - all the other
components were completely buried.

Seems to me smoking is the least of anyone's worries!!!
Then you are not thinking clearly. Try this:

In the morning, before anyone has smoked in your house, take a white
handkerchief and put it to your lips, and suck in a whole lungful of
air through the handkerchief.

What do you see?

Now, put your ciggie in the handkerchief, and suck a full lungful of
smoke through the handkerchief.

Now, what do you see?

The TV set takes months, if not years in a smoke free household to
get all black and smarmy. Only a few days in a smoking household.

-Chuck
 
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:12:58 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Adding RAM(*), I discovered dust down in the fins of the CPU heat
exchanger.

Fan blades too closely spaced to get a standard vacuum tool to reach
the fins.

So I improvised, using a soda straw held into the opening of my Dust
Devil hand-held.

Worked, but somewhat a PITA.

Anyone know of tools made for the purpose?
In a Flight Test center I worked in we had a custom-made tool that
fitted onto a ordinary vac cleaner, It was a piece of rolled sheet
aluminum about 7-8 inches long, the diameter at end fitted onto the
normal nozzle,(secured with duct tape) and the other end tapered to
about 3/8" It worked great for cleaning muck out of control panels,
despite being not that well made, and having had many hours of use,
and abuse.

Barry
 
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ian field wrote:

Recently released figures show that children who grow up near busy roads
suffer at least 10% reduction in lung capacity. Back in the days of
(mostly) tube TVs I bought a lorry load of sets from a dealer in London
for refurbishment and resale, when I opened the backs I found the tubes
sticking out of a thick carpet of soot and exhaust particulates - all the
other components were completely buried.

Seems to me smoking is the least of anyone's worries!!!

Then you are not thinking clearly. Try this:

In the morning, before anyone has smoked in your house, take a white
handkerchief and put it to your lips, and suck in a whole lungful of
air through the handkerchief.

What do you see?

Now, put your ciggie in the handkerchief, and suck a full lungful of
smoke through the handkerchief.

Now, what do you see?

The TV set takes months, if not years in a smoke free household to
get all black and smarmy. Only a few days in a smoking household.

-Chuck
One of the times I nearly quit smoking was when I travelled about 40 miles
by motorcycle mostly on the motorway to get to work, the effect of pollution
was so bad that I couldn't light up before about tea break - any sooner and
I'd end up with a convulsive coughing fit!

For a while I tried those paper fibre dust masks that fit over the nose and
mouth but by about 3/4 of the way they became too clogged to breath properly
so I had to take it off and throw it away.

You don't have to venture onto the motorway to find these levels of
pollution either, a few years ago I built a NiCd charger out of an old XT
PSU to keep it cool in summer I placed it on the kitchen window sill with
the window open, the pollution from the street outside would clog the fan
bad enough to stop it in a couple of months!
 
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:15:33 +1300, Barry Lennox
<bt.l.barryl@spamgourmet.com> wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:12:58 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Adding RAM(*), I discovered dust down in the fins of the CPU heat
exchanger.

Fan blades too closely spaced to get a standard vacuum tool to reach
the fins.

So I improvised, using a soda straw held into the opening of my Dust
Devil hand-held.

Worked, but somewhat a PITA.

Anyone know of tools made for the purpose?

In a Flight Test center I worked in we had a custom-made tool that
fitted onto a ordinary vac cleaner, It was a piece of rolled sheet
aluminum about 7-8 inches long, the diameter at end fitted onto the
normal nozzle,(secured with duct tape) and the other end tapered to
about 3/8" It worked great for cleaning muck out of control panels,
despite being not that well made, and having had many hours of use,
and abuse.

Barry
Rolled sheet metal might work for me as well. My hand-vac has an
odd-ball flat-plus-oval shape that accessories plus into :-(

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:22:19 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:34:29 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

[snip]

The only true crashes I've seen under Win2K pro are when the graphics
card runs of memory, and then it is not very graceful at all.

.. back in the cold. 8-(


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Did you find a pleasant brunch?

...Jim Thompson
Yes, thanks very much for the recommendation, Jim. Also we got a
chance to look at the Desert Botanical Garden. The tour guide was an
engineer too (retired), so he picked on the four of us. Learned a lot
about unique desert adaptations of plant species- aside from that, I'm
embarassed to admit to having mispronounced "Saguaro" for *years*. 8-(



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
 
"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
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Yes, thanks very much for the recommendation, Jim. Also we got a
chance to look at the Desert Botanical Garden. The tour guide was an
engineer too (retired), so he picked on the four of us. Learned a lot
about unique desert adaptations of plant species- aside from that, I'm
embarassed to admit to having mispronounced "Saguaro" for *years*. 8-(
What? "Suh wah roe"
 
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:31:13 GMT, "Lord Garth" <LGarth@Tantalus.net>
wrote:

"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
news:8f2tr2tkoi6gtdsk90nu3t2elcrh0s23la@4ax.com...


Yes, thanks very much for the recommendation, Jim. Also we got a
chance to look at the Desert Botanical Garden. The tour guide was an
engineer too (retired), so he picked on the four of us. Learned a lot
about unique desert adaptations of plant species- aside from that, I'm
embarassed to admit to having mispronounced "Saguaro" for *years*. 8-(



What? "Suh wah roe"
There's still a little "G" sound in there, but you have to be from
Guadalajara to pronounce it correctly... it's almost Yiddish... spit,
spit, gargle ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:42:56 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:36:19 GMT, Joerg
Lord Garth wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in

Adding RAM(*), I discovered dust down in the fins of the CPU heat
exchanger.

Fan blades too closely spaced to get a standard vacuum tool to reach
the fins.

So I improvised, using a soda straw held into the opening of my Dust
Devil hand-held.

Worked, but somewhat a PITA.

Jim, did you try canned air? I immobilize the fan then blow the dust out.

The WAF of that method is usually not high enough because when you blow
the dust out it sails off onto other objects around you.

I'm going to Ace and buy several brass tubes, sweat them into a
tapered nozzle with a small-diameter flexible rubber hose to the
vacuum... in fact that suggests that automotive vacuum hose might be
perfect because it won't collapse.

Geez - ask your wife if she has an upholstery brush or drapery brush,
and ask the grandkids if they have any water color brushes you could
borrow.

Vac it and loosen the crud simultaneously.

I don't know why I keep giving you such great answers - you're always
so mean to me! )-;

Thanks,
Rich
 
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:05:21 -0500, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
Adding RAM(*), I discovered dust down in the fins of the CPU heat
exchanger.

Fan blades too closely spaced to get a standard vacuum tool to reach
the fins.

So I improvised, using a soda straw held into the opening of my Dust
Devil hand-held.

Worked, but somewhat a PITA.

Anyone know of tools made for the purpose?

(*) Found the cause of my peculiar crashes... when you run out of RAM
XP doesn't respond gracefully.

With Windows Explorer, Eudora, Agent, and The Calendar Planner open
I'm now using 555MB out of 982MB available... No wonder I'd get a
crash when I had only 512MB and then tried to open Excel as well ;-)

...Jim Thompson
something wrong with your swap file then.
did you by any chance turn it off?

Hmm, this win 2k laptop I'm using right now still only has 128MB of ram - I
have another 256MB stick kicking around somewhere, but it has not been much
of a problem so I still have not bothered looking for it! I often have 15 to
30 applications running at once also.



Not that I know of. Looks like I've left everything there as default.

or are you short on Disk space?

Nope. Using 21GB out of 80GB available.

I never had such peculiarities until I moved "up" to WinXp Pro from
Win2K. I'm sorry I ever did that.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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Adding RAM(*), I discovered dust down in the fins of the CPU heat
exchanger.

Fan blades too closely spaced to get a standard vacuum tool to reach
the fins.

So I improvised, using a soda straw held into the opening of my Dust
Devil hand-held.

Worked, but somewhat a PITA.
Take it outside and hit it with compressed air from a air compressor (not
the wimpy cans) - the dust will leave the computer in a large cloud. This is
the easiest, and most thorough way to clean a computer. The dust does not
get blown around to other parts of the computer, as it becomes instantly
airborne. Be careful not to over spin the fans from the turbine effect from
the compressed air - you can easily kill the bearings, and possible fry the
electronics in them from excessive voltage generation, and in a worst case
scenario cause shrapnel from the fan flying apart from centrifugal forces.


Anyone know of tools made for the purpose?

(*) Found the cause of my peculiar crashes... when you run out of RAM
XP doesn't respond gracefully.

With Windows Explorer, Eudora, Agent, and The Calendar Planner open
I'm now using 555MB out of 982MB available... No wonder I'd get a
crash when I had only 512MB and then tried to open Excel as well ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:12:20 GMT, "Jeff L" <levy_jeff@hotmail.com>
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:05:21 -0500, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
Adding RAM(*), I discovered dust down in the fins of the CPU heat
exchanger.

Fan blades too closely spaced to get a standard vacuum tool to reach
the fins.

So I improvised, using a soda straw held into the opening of my Dust
Devil hand-held.

Worked, but somewhat a PITA.

Anyone know of tools made for the purpose?

(*) Found the cause of my peculiar crashes... when you run out of RAM
XP doesn't respond gracefully.

With Windows Explorer, Eudora, Agent, and The Calendar Planner open
I'm now using 555MB out of 982MB available... No wonder I'd get a
crash when I had only 512MB and then tried to open Excel as well ;-)

...Jim Thompson
something wrong with your swap file then.
did you by any chance turn it off?


Hmm, this win 2k laptop I'm using right now still only has 128MB of ram - I
have another 256MB stick kicking around somewhere, but it has not been much
of a problem so I still have not bothered looking for it! I often have 15 to
30 applications running at once also.



[snip]

I'm currently running 5 applications and 66 processes.

Since I bumped up the RAM nothing untoward has happened.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 

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