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John Larkin
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On Fri, 08 Sep 2023 08:34:56 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
And thuggery fosters thuggery.
Humans are ultra-social, in that most of them get their beliefs and
behavioral standards from the people around them, and not from
principles. So a group has unstable, positive-feedback dynamics,
Switzerland and Haiti being system states.
And some people would rather steal and rape to get what they want.
That couples into the social positive feedback. A safe, productive,
civil society needs forces to continuously push it in the right
directions, to counter the natural feedbacks being seeded by the bad
minority.
They used to hang petty thieves. Now they lock up the Tide.
Usenet, being mostly unmoderated, has terrible social dynamics. The
jerks chase the good folks away. Insults become the norm. Envision
positive feedback.
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 09:58:19 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
On 7 Sep 2023 03:36:59 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2023 22:38:08 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 22:05:36 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 06:57:46 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
There is no \"typically American.\" The USA is amazingly big and
diverse.
And to paraphrase the Dixie Chicks singer, I\'m ashamed to share the
same planet with some of them.
That\'s ok. Some of them are ashamed to share the same planet with
you.
Would you two have a duel or something?
I\'ve been reading the \'April\' series by Mackey Chandler. Set in an
orbital habitat, the people have almost no laws or regulations but the
duel is alive and well. It makes for a polite society.
In real life, it makes for a thug-ocracy like Haiti.
The other part of the equation is the habitat has a very small population.
Like a small town being a prick is not a long term plan. It\'s a long
series and it will be interesting to see how it develops.
Another author I enjoy, Fran Porretto, is less optimistic in his Spooner
trilogy. Flee the Earth to avoid tyranny and eventually try to reinvent
it.
Dueling might be a little extreme but I grew up in a tough, decaying mill
town. Being an asshole could have consequences. The internet is the worse
case; you can bark like a junkyard dog with no consequence. Why be
reasonably polite if nobody is going to physically kick you in the balls?
Because politeness fosters politeness.
And thuggery fosters thuggery.
Humans are ultra-social, in that most of them get their beliefs and
behavioral standards from the people around them, and not from
principles. So a group has unstable, positive-feedback dynamics,
Switzerland and Haiti being system states.
And some people would rather steal and rape to get what they want.
That couples into the social positive feedback. A safe, productive,
civil society needs forces to continuously push it in the right
directions, to counter the natural feedbacks being seeded by the bad
minority.
They used to hang petty thieves. Now they lock up the Tide.
I struggle with that every day on Usenet. The killfile helps; if I
don\'t see assholes, I\'m less inclined to lash out.
Usenet, being mostly unmoderated, has terrible social dynamics. The
jerks chase the good folks away. Insults become the norm. Envision
positive feedback.