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[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 15:04:44 -0000, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

In article <tvkcv9$1mmhm$4@dont-email.me>,
Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 21/03/2023 22:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What is miles, feet, pounds and pints????
Imperial

A mile is about 1.609 km.
A foot is a little over 30cm.
A pound is about 454 grams.
A pint is 656ml in the UK.

Andy

For most of us a UK pint is 568ml.

Why did he say 656? Is that yank?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 14:43:53 -0000, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 21/03/2023 22:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What is miles, feet, pounds and pints????
Imperial

A mile is about 1.609 km.
A foot is a little over 30cm.
A pound is about 454 grams.
A pint is 656ml in the UK.

Give a man 2.54 cm and he\'ll take 1.6 km.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 11:35:52 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 25/03/2023 09:01, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-03-24, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

(*) Yes, I *did* realise the confusion of stones (unit of weight) and stones
(rocks or jewels).


Ah, well. We\'re ahead of you there. We don\'t use stones as a unit
of weight in the U.S. We just use pounds.

Personal weight in the UK is always stones and pounds except when kg is
used - which very few people do, even youngsters.

I can\'t understand yanks not using stones. They put their weight in just pounds, which means you get a ridiculously high number which is meaningless, then try to divide it by 14 in your head! Do they also measure their car speed in inches per hour?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 15:27:08 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 26/03/2023 15:19, Max Demian wrote:
On 25/03/2023 21:46, NY wrote:
\"Max Demian\" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:tvmman$25mur$1@dont-email.me...

Personal weight in the UK is always stones and pounds except when kg
is used - which very few people do, even youngsters.

I remember the Hitchcock film \"Frenzy\", set in London, with all the
characters being English. And someone was described as weighing \"100
pounds\" or whatever. I\'m surprised none of the cast mentioned that use
of pounds alone, as opposed to stones and pounds, was exceptionally
rare in the UK. In a similar vein, in the first Harry Potter film,
Professor McGonagall says \"dinner will be served momentarily\" - an
American usage of the word: in the UK, it means \"*for* a while\" or
briefly, transiently; in the US it means \"*in* a while\" or soon.

Scots use the word in the US sense.

Sorry, I was thinking about \"presently\", which, in England means in \"a
while\" and in Scotland means \"going on at the moment\".

Only my English grandmother said \"presently\" for in a while. Every other English person uses it to mean right now.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 23:20:59 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 26/03/2023 15:27, Max Demian wrote:
On 26/03/2023 15:19, Max Demian wrote:
On 25/03/2023 21:46, NY wrote:
\"Max Demian\" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:tvmman$25mur$1@dont-email.me...

Personal weight in the UK is always stones and pounds except when kg
is used - which very few people do, even youngsters.

I remember the Hitchcock film \"Frenzy\", set in London, with all the
characters being English. And someone was described as weighing \"100
pounds\" or whatever. I\'m surprised none of the cast mentioned that
use of pounds alone, as opposed to stones and pounds, was
exceptionally rare in the UK. In a similar vein, in the first Harry
Potter film, Professor McGonagall says \"dinner will be served
momentarily\" - an American usage of the word: in the UK, it means
\"*for* a while\" or briefly, transiently; in the US it means \"*in* a
while\" or soon.

Scots use the word in the US sense.

Sorry, I was thinking about \"presently\", which, in England means in \"a
while\" and in Scotland means \"going on at the moment\".

In England it can mean either.

\"I will be going for a walk presently.\"

Only if you\'re really posh, otherwise you\'d say shortly. Which could mean you\'re going to shrink in the rain.

> \"Presently I am walking.\"

This person would not say \"I am presently smoking\":
https://youtu.be/kAln0n12kI8

 

[Ian Jackson]

In message <op.12z59unsmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> writes

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 15:27:08 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

Sorry, I was thinking about \"presently\", which, in England means in \"a
while\" and in Scotland means \"going on at the moment\".

Only my English grandmother said \"presently\" for in a while. Every
other English person uses it to mean right now.

No they don\'t.

\" I will be there presently\". Because of the furrier tense, \'presently\'
can only refer to the future (the immediate future), ie \'very soon\', \'in
a moment\', \'in a while\' etc.

\"I am there presently\". Because of the present tense, \'presently\' can
only mean \'now\', \'at the moment\' etc.

There is no ambiguity.
--
Ian
Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 07:53:41 +0100, Idiot Jackass, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, driveled again:

No they don\'t.

\" I will be there presently\". Because of the furrier tense, \'presently\'
can only refer to the future (the immediate future), ie \'very soon\', \'in
a moment\', \'in a while\' etc.

\"I am there presently\". Because of the present tense, \'presently\' can
only mean \'now\', \'at the moment\' etc.

There is no ambiguity.

There\'s no ambiguity about it that HE is an idiotic troll and YOU an idiotic
troll-feeding senile asshole, Idiot Jackson! <BG>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 21:18:30 -0000, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Cindy Hamilton\" <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:FLyTL.2112271$GNG9.1315733@fx18.iad...
Ah, well. We\'re ahead of you there. We don\'t use stones as a unit
of weight in the U.S. We just use pounds.

Hundredweight might be used in some specialized context, but never
in daily life.

Incidentally, I buy topsoil in 40-pound bags, but mulch by the
cubic foot. I often wish I knew the weight of the latter before
I attempt to lift it.

I\'d like the U.S. to go fully metric, but I\'m confident I won\'t see it
in my lifetime.

I think the whole world would like the US to go metric, then the imperial
system (or the US version of it) would finally die the death it should have
had many decades ago.

I realised that the US didn\'t use stones for measuring weights.

Why are people obsessed with littering their sentences with \"that\"? Show me the difference in meaning between:

I realised that the US didn\'t use stones for measuring weights.
I realised the US didn\'t use stones for measuring weights.

> In the UK, it\'s common

More like always.

for people to give their weight as \"14 stone 5 [pounds]\" rather
than \"201 pounds\". But that\'s probably the only context in which stones are
still used as \"folk units\".

The thing that made me double-take when I was on holiday in Massachusetts
(*), was road signs, especially local signs and road-works signs, which used
feet even for fairly long distances: \"Road works in 3000 feet\".

It\'s because they only have math and not maths, it doesn\'t allow for more denominations.

Hmm, I need to do a quick calculation: that\'s 1000 yards or about about 0.6 miles. In
the UK, distances on road signs tend to be expressed in yards (for small
distances) or fractions of a mile (1/4, occasionally 1/3, 1/2, 3/4 mile).
And trip milometers in cars express distances in tenths of a mile. I\'m not
saying that UK\'s convention is better or worse than US\'s - just different.

It\'s a lot better. Smaller numbers.

> On the other hand, dates expressed as MM/DD/YY defy logic

They need more brain cells to use logic.

because the units
are not in ascending or descending order of significance: DD/MM/YY (UK) or
YY-MM-DD (ISO something-or-other standard).

Chinese/Japanese I think, and used in computers so a single number will always be in date order.

I tend to express months in
letters because \"11 Mar(ch) 2023\" means the same throughout the
English-speaking world,

I don\'t, I use it properly and to hell with th emorons in the far west.

> even if an American might express it as Mar 11 2023;

There\'s another complication. If someone writes June 24, is that June the 24th (as in about two months from now) or June 2024 (just over a year from now)? You should always write 24 June.

on the other hand, \"11/03/2023\" might be Nov 3 2013. There are exceptions:
even in the UK, we refer to \"9/11\" because it happened in the US so their
rules apply.

I call it 11/9 to piss off the thicko merkins. And to laugh at the mozzies getting one over on them. The US couldn\'t win a war if the opposition had one hand tied behind their backs. They knocked down two of your big buildings. Refuckingtaliate.

(*) I can never remember the single and double letters: I need to remember,
it\'s 2s, 1s, 2t!

How is that easier to remember? Doesn\'t work for misssisssisssippisspissi either.

 

[NY]

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.12z57gtbmvhs6z@ryzen.home...

I can\'t understand yanks not using stones. They put their weight in just
pounds, which means you get a ridiculously high number which is
meaningless, then try to divide it by 14 in your head! Do they also
measure their car speed in inches per hour?

I\'ve seen roadworks signs in Massachusetts which say something like
\"Roadworks in 5280 feet\" (that\'s 1 mile to everyone else!). That was in the
late 1990s.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 04:20:54 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 21:18:30 -0000, NY wrote:

The thing that made me double-take when I was on holiday in
Massachusetts (*),

You should have went to New Hampshire. Easier to spell.

signs, which used feet even for fairly long distances: \"Road works in
3000 feet\". Hmm, I need to do a quick calculation: that\'s 1000 yards or
about about 0.6 miles. In the UK, distances on road signs tend to be
expressed in yards (for small distances) or fractions of a mile (1/4,
occasionally 1/3, 1/2, 3/4 mile). And trip milometers in cars express
distances in tenths of a mile. I\'m not saying that UK\'s convention is
better or worse than US\'s - just different.

The interstates tend to be \'right lane ends in 1/2 mile\'. Where it
switches to feet is arbitrary. I don\'t think I\'ve ever seen yards used in
a traffic context. Fabric measurements and American football are the prime
uses of yards. I shoot so I have a fairly good grasp of yards and would be
more likely to say \'50 yards away\' rather than feet.

All Americans shoot, so surely yards would work well in traffic?

On the other hand, dates expressed as MM/DD/YY defy logic because the
units are not in ascending or descending order of significance: DD/MM/YY
(UK) or YY-MM-DD (ISO something-or-other standard). I tend to express
months in letters because \"11 Mar(ch) 2023\" means the same throughout
the English-speaking world, even if an American might express it as Mar
11 2023;

For reasons I can\'t even remember if I writing a check

Do you check your checks? So much easier to call them cheques.

Not that anyone uses them in the 21st century. I don\'t even use cash. Which was handy, I went to park at a beach to go scuba diving and a man approached me asking for £2 to park. I offered him a credit card, I offered him my phone, but he wanted cash. I ended up getting let in for free. I later heard him arguing with another driver who only had a £10 note. The stupid car park operator was putting the coins straight into a jar through a slot and couldn\'t give him £8 change. I walked over and suggested he keep the next four fees in his hand and give them to the first driver. He looked at me as though I was Einstein.

or something I\'d
usually write 25 Mar 23. It seems the first thing doctors or pharmacists
want is your birthday so I use mm/dd/yyyy.

Why not dd/mm/yyyy? Start with the smallest, move to the largest. You\'re ruining the world when a website asks for a date and doesn\'t specify if it\'s English or American format.

When programming I use ISO-8601 conventions although there are several
flavors. yyyy-mm-dd.

What flavours?

 

[Pepe Ron Cini]

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Why are people obsessed with littering their sentences with \"that\"? Show me the difference in meaning between:

I realised that the US didn\'t use stones for measuring weights.
I realised the US didn\'t use stones for measuring weights.

I don\'t think that it matters.

 

[alan_m]

On 07/04/2023 18:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Do you check your checks?  So much easier to call them cheques.

Not that anyone uses them in the 21st century.

I don\'t even use cash.

Which was handy, I went to park at a beach to go scuba diving and a man
approached me asking for £2 to park.  I offered him a credit card, I
offered him my phone, but he wanted cash.  I ended up getting let in for
free.  I later heard him arguing with another driver who only had a £10
note.  The stupid car park operator was putting the coins straight into
a jar through a slot and couldn\'t give him £8 change.  I walked over and
suggested he keep the next four fees in his hand and give them to the
first driver.  He looked at me as though I was Einstein.

or something I\'d
usually write 25 Mar 23. It seems the first thing doctors or pharmacists
want is your birthday so I use mm/dd/yyyy.

Why not dd/mm/yyyy?  Start with the smallest, move to the largest.
You\'re ruining the world when a website asks for a date and doesn\'t
specify if it\'s English or American format.

When programming I use ISO-8601 conventions although there are several
flavors. yyyy-mm-dd.

What flavours?

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 17:56:08 +0100, NY, the really endlessly blathering,
notorious, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered, yet again:

I can\'t understand yanks not using stones. They put their weight in just
pounds, which means you get a ridiculously high number which is
meaningless, then try to divide it by 14 in your head! Do they also
measure their car speed in inches per hour?

I\'ve seen roadworks signs in Massachusetts which say something like
\"Roadworks in 5280 feet\" (that\'s 1 mile to everyone else!). That was in the
late 1990s.

Troll-feeding senile asshole still doesn\'t get with what kind of deranged
idiot he\'s dealing with! LMAO

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 18:08:51 +0100, anal_m, the notorious troll-feeding
senile retard, blathered again:


> I don\'t even use cash.

You don\'t even use your senile brain, you troll-feeding senile asshole!

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 13:07:43 -0400, Pepe Ron Cini, another demented
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

I realised that the US didn\'t use stones for measuring weights.
I realised the US didn\'t use stones for measuring weights.

I don\'t think that it matters.

What matters to him is whether you pay attention to his absolutely idiotic
trolls or don\'t, troll-feeding senile asshole!

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:44:52 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 09:20:42 +0300, upsidedown wrote:


When a foreign company wants to sell something on the US market, it has
to adapt to these standards. Not a big deal if you intend to sell
millions of units on the US market, design a product variation for the
US market. It is however problematic if you try to sell only a few
(expensive) units on the US market, causing much extra cost due to the
paperwork and adapters.

Both my Toyota car and Suzuki bikes are fully metric. Quite a few other
products use metric fasteners. My Harley and F150 sneak a few in here and
there. afaik all autos use the ISO 7736 DIN (50mm x 180mm) system for
audio components.

That\'s not to say US standards don\'t keep some products out but it\'s
usually safety or EPA standards.

The safety standards for electrical devices are amusing. In the US, there\'s less chance of electrocution but more chance of fire, since you use pansy amounts of voltage and mega thick cables for the doubled current.

Really stupid, since if someone makes a device which will run on both voltages, they have to have thick enough cables/circuit board tracks and also components to handle the higher voltage.

Just stick with 240 will you? You\'ve already got it in your homes, you don\'t have to split it in half. Change all your sockets to one standard 13A 240V outlet. 3.2kW anywhere.

afaik no French car manufacturer has
bothered to comply with the US safety standards in decades.

The French do as they please. Although it\'s not usually with safety. My Renault tries to sell itself by getting 5 stars in all the safety tests, mainly because it doesn\'t start.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 09:51:36 +0100, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-26, upsidedown@downunder.com <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 21:18:30 -0000, \"NY\" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Cindy Hamilton\" <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:FLyTL.2112271$GNG9.1315733@fx18.iad...

I\'d like the U.S. to go fully metric, but I\'m confident I won\'t see it
in my lifetime.

I think the whole world would like the US to go metric, then the imperial
system (or the US version of it) would finally die the death it should have
had many decades ago.

It seems that the US industry likes the imperial system and especially
the huge number of standards based on imperial units.

I think you\'d be surprised. 1/2\" plywood is actually 0.451 inch or
close to 12.5 mm. A lot of container sizes are integer numbers
in the metric system and oddball rational numbers in the \"traditional\"
system. Nutrition labeling is in grams. Every time you measure
a volt or an ampere, you\'re using the metric system.

Ausgezeichnet, die Einmarsch ist abgeschlossen. Ich werde den Führer informieren.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 07:20:42 +0100, <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 21:18:30 -0000, \"NY\" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Cindy Hamilton\" <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:FLyTL.2112271$GNG9.1315733@fx18.iad...

I\'d like the U.S. to go fully metric, but I\'m confident I won\'t see it
in my lifetime.

I think the whole world would like the US to go metric, then the imperial
system (or the US version of it) would finally die the death it should have
had many decades ago.

It seems that the US industry likes the imperial system and especially
the huge number of standards based on imperial units.

Americans can make stuff? It\'s all made in China.

Smells like protectionism !

When a foreign company wants to sell something on the US market, it
has to adapt to these standards. Not a big deal if you intend to sell
millions of units on the US market, design a product variation for the
US market. It is however problematic if you try to sell only a few
(expensive) units on the US market, causing much extra cost due to the
paperwork and adapters.

Thus,due to the extra cost some foreign companies may stay away from
the US market and that is what the US industry wants.

Of course, the different standards are also a problem for the US
industry, but once they have made a metric version, it can be sold in
the rest of the world.

Surely the problem in each direction is equal? Shooting themselves in the metre as usual.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 12:19:24 +0100, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-28, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/03/2023 09:51, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think you\'d be surprised. 1/2\" plywood is actually 0.451 inch or
close to 12.5 mm. A lot of container sizes are integer numbers
in the metric system and oddball rational numbers in the \"traditional\"
system. Nutrition labeling is in grams. Every time you measure
a volt or an ampere, you\'re using the metric system.

Half an inch is 12.7mm.
12.5mm is 0.49 inches.
0.451 inches is only 11.5mm.

I got those figure from some web site and didn\'t check them. Mea culpa.
If you like, once I\'m dressed I\'ll go out to the workshop and apply
calipers to various sheets of plywood.

Why get dressed if it\'s your own workshop?

I don\'t know where you buy your plywood...

In the U.S. It\'s typically manufactured in Canada.

Averaged over millions of sheets of plywood, that fraction of a
millimeter adds up.

Ah, another fool who doesn\'t grasp percentages.

(My local UK shop has 3.6, 5, 8, 9,m 12 and 19mm :headbang

Andy

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 15:56:25 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:02:50 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 18:26:56 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 12:20:32 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

That sounds like what Apple do. Is Leopard or Tiger the newer version
of the OS? Who knows?

The Leopard is newer that the Tiger. Oh, you\'re talking about OSs, not
Panzers.

Fire a Mac from a Panzer.

A Pak (Panzerabwehrkanone) works better.

I prefer a Tacluchnatagamuntoron