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On 04/04/2023 16:16, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message <0ueo2i1aseajkv0vje1b7l19djk6f5erdk@4ax.com>, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes
On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 11:15:24 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-23, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
\"Rod Speed\" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eek:p.118pu5bjbyq249@pvr2.lan...

Why is it that all the nice food is fattening and all the good
food (eg
vegetables) tastes vile?

Roast potatoes aren\'t vile and neither are tomatoes.

Roast veg (carrots, parsnips - and potatoes) are lovely. As are raw
carrots
or celery as a snack, though less so in combination with anything
savoury.
It\'s boiled/steamed broccoli, beans, carrots, cauliflower (*), etc
which
have such a strong \"green veg\" taste that they completely swamp
everything
else. I\'ve never really liked cooked veg, and after my heart attack
my sense
of taste changed so veg tasted stronger and savoury meat etc was
less strong
than before. Think of the sound of birdsong: perfectly audible... until
someone starts using a pneumatic drill ;-)

I eat my veg - but I get it out of the way first so it doesn\'t ruin the
enjoyable part of my meal.



(*) I think it\'s leaf/stem veg that I don\'t like, and root veg that
I do.

Cauliflower and broccoli (as well as other members of the cabbage
family) can be roasted or cooked by other dry heat methods.  It
makes them sweeter and less watery.  Just a brush of oil is all that\'s
really needed, although you can apply various spices if your palate
can handle them.

Both are great fairly scorched. Add garlic late so it doesn\'t burn.

Better still, don\'t add it at all. I hate the stuff. It\'s the Work Of
The Devil, and its taste is detestable. Unfortunately, it now seems to
be a de rigueur ingredient in all prepared foodstuff (except, maybe,
custard).

Garlic has its place. I use it in spaghetti bolognese for the kids (I
don\'t like any form of past or tomato myself). We occasionally make our
own garlic bread, with huge quantities of garlic, as long as we are not
planning to see anyone for the next few days!

A friend is a professional welder. One of his colleagues went to a pub
that was due to hold a garlic eating competition. He complained that he
wouldn\'t be able to make it at the planned time and the landlord told
him that he could do it there and then and he\'d be a witness. The
competition was cancelled because there was not enough garlic left. The
next morning the workshop was evacuated, because he was sweating garlic
odour to such an extent that they though that there was an acetylene leak.
 
On 04/04/2023 17:43, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 16:16:29 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <0ueo2i1aseajkv0vje1b7l19djk6f5erdk@4ax.com>, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes
On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 11:15:24 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com
wrote:

On 2023-03-23, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
\"Rod Speed\" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eek:p.118pu5bjbyq249@pvr2.lan...

Why is it that all the nice food is fattening and all the good food
(eg vegetables) tastes vile?

Roast potatoes aren\'t vile and neither are tomatoes.

Roast veg (carrots, parsnips - and potatoes) are lovely. As are raw
carrots or celery as a snack, though less so in combination with
anything savoury. It\'s boiled/steamed broccoli, beans, carrots,
cauliflower (*), etc which have such a strong \"green veg\" taste that
they completely swamp everything else. I\'ve never really liked cooked
veg, and after my heart attack
my sense
of taste changed so veg tasted stronger and savoury meat etc was
less strong
than before. Think of the sound of birdsong: perfectly audible...
until someone starts using a pneumatic drill ;-)

I eat my veg - but I get it out of the way first so it doesn\'t ruin
the enjoyable part of my meal.



(*) I think it\'s leaf/stem veg that I don\'t like, and root veg that I
do.

Cauliflower and broccoli (as well as other members of the cabbage
family) can be roasted or cooked by other dry heat methods. It makes
them sweeter and less watery. Just a brush of oil is all that\'s really
needed, although you can apply various spices if your palate can handle
them.

Both are great fairly scorched. Add garlic late so it doesn\'t burn.

Better still, don\'t add it at all. I hate the stuff. It\'s the Work Of
The Devil, and its taste is detestable. Unfortunately, it now seems to
be a de rigueur ingredient in all prepared foodstuff (except, maybe,
custard).

All good recipes start with several cloves of garlic and an onion.

Several cloves? A bulb at least!
 
On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 14:09:16 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 08:42:29 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

[snip]

People are different. Some people will actually, voluntarily, eat
cilantro. I detest anything in the eggplant/cucumber/squash category.

Guilty.


But I like pickles. I assume that pickling destroys some obnoxious
chemical in cucumbers.

One day I said \"I may have used too much garlic\" and Mo replied
\"Excuse me, but I didn\'t understand that.\"

Enough garlic and bacon makes brussels sprouts almost edible.

I do like Brussels sprouts, especially cut in half, oiled, and broiled
in the stove like meat. Or fried in a cast iron pan.

And I\'ll eat cooked garlic cloves left over from cooking.


George Bush senior had a great line:

\"I am the President of the United States of America and I will not eat
broccoli.\"

I believe this was because it instantly goes cold after (or even before)
serving. [Which is certainly true.]



It\'s still yummy, for instance raw in salads.

I like broccoli, but not alone, or loose in a salad. Works well as a
stir-fry ingredient, or in a sauce.


War Story: In the late 1970s, in Baltimore, a college friend of mine
was preparing a special meal for her boyfriend. She is
Jewish/Catholic, and he is an Indian from a hot and slow part of
India.

For some reason, she gave me the task of deciding how much chili
pepper to put in the dish, which was some traditional Indian recipe. I
looked at him, then her, and back at him. And doubled the chili level
suggested in the recipe from a American cookbook.

He was very happy. She was dying, sweating, conflicted. (It was a
bit too hot for me, but it was good.)

Joe Gwinn

Did the romance survive?
 
On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 20:16:04 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

On 04/04/2023 16:16, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message <0ueo2i1aseajkv0vje1b7l19djk6f5erdk@4ax.com>, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes
On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 11:15:24 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-23, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
\"Rod Speed\" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eek:p.118pu5bjbyq249@pvr2.lan...

Why is it that all the nice food is fattening and all the good
food (eg
vegetables) tastes vile?

Roast potatoes aren\'t vile and neither are tomatoes.

Roast veg (carrots, parsnips - and potatoes) are lovely. As are raw
carrots
or celery as a snack, though less so in combination with anything
savoury.
It\'s boiled/steamed broccoli, beans, carrots, cauliflower (*), etc
which
have such a strong \"green veg\" taste that they completely swamp
everything
else. I\'ve never really liked cooked veg, and after my heart attack
my sense
of taste changed so veg tasted stronger and savoury meat etc was
less strong
than before. Think of the sound of birdsong: perfectly audible... until
someone starts using a pneumatic drill ;-)

I eat my veg - but I get it out of the way first so it doesn\'t ruin the
enjoyable part of my meal.



(*) I think it\'s leaf/stem veg that I don\'t like, and root veg that
I do.

Cauliflower and broccoli (as well as other members of the cabbage
family) can be roasted or cooked by other dry heat methods.  It
makes them sweeter and less watery.  Just a brush of oil is all that\'s
really needed, although you can apply various spices if your palate
can handle them.

Both are great fairly scorched. Add garlic late so it doesn\'t burn.

Better still, don\'t add it at all. I hate the stuff. It\'s the Work Of
The Devil, and its taste is detestable. Unfortunately, it now seems to
be a de rigueur ingredient in all prepared foodstuff (except, maybe,
custard).

Garlic has its place. I use it in spaghetti bolognese for the kids (I
don\'t like any form of past or tomato myself). We occasionally make our
own garlic bread, with huge quantities of garlic, as long as we are not
planning to see anyone for the next few days!

A friend is a professional welder. One of his colleagues went to a pub
that was due to hold a garlic eating competition. He complained that he
wouldn\'t be able to make it at the planned time and the landlord told
him that he could do it there and then and he\'d be a witness. The
competition was cancelled because there was not enough garlic left. The
next morning the workshop was evacuated, because he was sweating garlic
odour to such an extent that they though that there was an acetylene leak.

Breaux Bridge LA used to have an annual cayenne pepper eating contest,
at the crawfish festival. Maybe still does.
 
On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 12:33:13 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 14:09:16 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 08:42:29 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

[snip]

People are different. Some people will actually, voluntarily, eat
cilantro. I detest anything in the eggplant/cucumber/squash category.

Guilty.


But I like pickles. I assume that pickling destroys some obnoxious
chemical in cucumbers.

One day I said \"I may have used too much garlic\" and Mo replied
\"Excuse me, but I didn\'t understand that.\"

Enough garlic and bacon makes brussels sprouts almost edible.

I do like Brussels sprouts, especially cut in half, oiled, and broiled
in the stove like meat. Or fried in a cast iron pan.

And I\'ll eat cooked garlic cloves left over from cooking.


George Bush senior had a great line:

\"I am the President of the United States of America and I will not eat
broccoli.\"

I believe this was because it instantly goes cold after (or even before)
serving. [Which is certainly true.]



It\'s still yummy, for instance raw in salads.

I like broccoli, but not alone, or loose in a salad. Works well as a
stir-fry ingredient, or in a sauce.


War Story: In the late 1970s, in Baltimore, a college friend of mine
was preparing a special meal for her boyfriend. She is
Jewish/Catholic, and he is an Indian from a hot and slow part of
India.

For some reason, she gave me the task of deciding how much chili
pepper to put in the dish, which was some traditional Indian recipe. I
looked at him, then her, and back at him. And doubled the chili level
suggested in the recipe from a American cookbook.

He was very happy. She was dying, sweating, conflicted. (It was a
bit too hot for me, but it was good.)

Joe Gwinn

Did the romance survive?

It did, only to collapse about a year later when the man\'s family
called him home to meet and marry the bride they had chosen for him.
This is the tradition where he came from.

He went home, and we lost contact with him.

Joe Gwinn
 
On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 13:31:13 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 03/04/2023 20:07, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 18:41:30 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
On 03/04/2023 03:30, rbowman wrote:

At least America is evolving. The UK has been devolving since they
lost that war they thought they won. How\'s that true Scotsman, Humza
Yousaf,
doing?

I wonder whether he puts sugar on his porridge.

I don\'t have a clue what the nuances of that are. I wouldn\'t use
\'porridge\' but when I made oatmeal this weekend I added dried cherries,
a little stevia, and cinnamon. I hope that doesn\'t make me a Scot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

I bet you make your porridge with rolled oats rather than oatmeal (which
is ground oats with the bran removed).

It depends. This weekend was oatmeal. I also have and use steel cut oats
but the cooking time is much longer. If I plan ahead I soak them
overnight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCann%27s_Steel_Cut_Irish_Oatmeal

Those are available in most markets although I use domestic brands that
are quite a bit cheaper in the bulk bins.

Oat groats from a feed store are even cheaper. Rolled oats from a feed
store are not suggested unless you really want to increase your roughage.
They aren\'t hulled prior to steaming and rolling.
 
On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:36:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It always makes me smile when people accuse Brexiteers of being
parochial little Englanders. We are the descendants of the first
globalists the world ever had.

The island had been conquered and populated by anyone who could build a
rudimentary boat. Before Doggerland sank the Northern Hunter Gatherers
didn\'t even need the boat.
 
On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:23:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I note from watching many car mechanic you tube videos that even proper
US made cars are moving to metric screws. And things like a \"12.5mm
wrench\" are mire likely than a \'half inch\'

I have tools in both systems. Even my 1986 Ford pickup throws in a little
metric every now and then. The forks, carb, and other bits on the Harley
are Japanese and hence metric. Only the Toyota car and Suzuki bikes have
no surprises.

When working under car a female significant other can copy better with
metric sizes than \'Give me the damn 13/16\"
 
On 4 Apr 2023 19:56:49 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> I have tools in both systems.

You ARE a tool, bigmouth!

<FLUSH the rest of your inevitable verbose bullshit unread again>

--
More of the resident senile bigmouth\'s idiotic \"cool\" blather:
\"For reasons I can\'t recall I painted a spare bedroom in purple. It may
have had something to do with copious quantities of cheap Scotch.\"
MID: <k89lchF8b4pU1@mid.individual.net>
 
On 4 Apr 2023 19:52:02 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


The island had been conquered and populated by anyone who could build a
rudimentary boat. Before Doggerland sank the Northern Hunter Gatherers
didn\'t even need the boat.

Just where does all that shit in your senile head come from? It just gets
created in your senile head by your degenerate genes, or what? <BG>

--
More typical idiotic senile gossip by lowbrowwoman:
\"It\'s been years since I\'ve been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy\'s because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>
 
On 4 Apr 2023 19:44:45 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> It depends. This weekend was oatmeal.

Just out of curiosity: Does your big mouth stay silent while you\'re eating,
or does it keep blathering even while you\'re eating?

--
Yet another thrilling story from the resident senile gossip\'s thrilling
life:
\"Around here you have to be careful to lock your car toward the end of
summer or somebody will leave a grocery sack full of zucchini in it.\"
 
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 19:48:19 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


Bob\'s Red Mill yellow grits, also at Amazon, is good, with a bit more
flavor than the white stuff.

One year when sweetcorn was cheap at the end of the season I bought a few
dozen ears, dried them, and ground the kernels in a hand mill. Now there
was some tasty cornmeal mush. If you\'ve ever tried to eat fresh dent corn
you\'d appreciate the difference.
 
On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 10:08:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


Bob\'s Red Mill is what I bought. I really like their red whole-grain
bulgur.

I get their stuff if I can\'t find it in the bulk food bins. It\'s good but
they\'re rather proud of it.
 
On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 07:58:01 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

> There are only two original American cuisines, cajun/creole and BBQ.

And BBQ starts with a pig and never gets near a tomato... The two variants
are sliced or chopped.
 
On 04/04/2023 16:16, Ian Jackson wrote:
Better still, don\'t add it at all. I hate the stuff. It\'s the Work Of
The Devil, and its taste is detestable. Unfortunately, it now seems to
be a de rigueur ingredient in all prepared foodstuff (except, maybe,
custard).

One of my cookbooks says
\"If your friends don\'t like garlic get new friends\"

(I don\'t think it applies here though!)

Andy
 
On 4 Apr 2023 20:14:27 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


And BBQ starts with a pig and never gets near a tomato... The two variants
are sliced or chopped.

Is it okay for you, if I refer to you as a \"she\" from now on? I now believe
that you really ARE a REAL woman, gossip girl! LOL

--
Yet another thrilling account from the resident senile superhero\'s senile
life:
\"I went to a Driveby Truckers concert at a local venue and they made me
leave my knife in the car. Never went back. Come to think of it the Truckers
had a Black Lives Matter banner. Never bought any of their music again
either.\"
MID: <k84ip9Fesb1U1@mid.individual.net>
 
On 4 Apr 2023 20:09:37 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


One year when sweetcorn was cheap at the end of the season I bought a few
dozen ears, dried them, and ground the kernels in a hand mill. Now there
was some tasty cornmeal mush. If you\'ve ever tried to eat fresh dent corn
you\'d appreciate the difference.

WTF does this shit have to do with the 3 ngs you keep crossposting it to,
you trolling piece of senile shit?

--
More of the senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic senile blather:
\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1@dont-email.me>
 
On 2023-04-04, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 17:58:50 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-04, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 10:08:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-04, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On 3 Apr 2023 22:54:29 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 21:07:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


I\'ve never eaten grits, but I got some polenta last week at the grocery
store. I\'ll experiment with it. Probably put red sauce and Italian
sausage on top.

Not the same, at least for hominy grits. To make hominy you soak dent corn
in lye until the hull sloughs off. You can stop there or dry it out and
grind it for grits. The polenta I\'ve gotten is just coarse cornmeal and is
yellow.

The easiest place to find canned hominy is in the Hispanic aisle. It\'s
used in menudo among other things. I think you can get dried hominy but
I\'ve never seen it in markets.

We have Albers Quick Grits at our local Safeway. Amazon has it too.
It\'s a pretty good classic white grits, basically a substrate for
butter and salt and pepper.

Bob\'s Red Mill yellow grits, also at Amazon, is good, with a bit more
flavor than the white stuff.

Bob\'s Red Mill is what I bought. I really like their red whole-grain
bulgur.

Did you like Bob\'s grits? Some people don\'t get into grits.

Haven\'t tried it yet. I felt like nachos for lunch today. Maybe
tomorrow I\'ll do polenta with hot Italian sausage and sugo.

Here\'s what I bought:
https://www.bobsredmill.com/corn-grits-polenta.html

We like this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Bobs-Red-Mill-Polenta-Grits/dp/B000WG95RG

We\'ll see. The stuff I bought was available at my regular grocery
store.

If you make a big batch of either, you can save the exess in the
fridge and, next day, slice it into slabs and fry it, like a pancake.
Serve with maple syrup and blueberries. It is tricky to fry, being 80%
water. I think Italians fry polenta, same idea.

I might try that on my husband.

Do. Grits is boy food.

My husband doesn\'t like anything that has a pudding-like texture.

Southern and cajun/creole food used to be rare in the bleak frozen
hinterlands. After Katrina emptied New Orleans, there was a culinary
diaspora that greatly improved the country.

There are only two original American cuisines, cajun/creole and BBQ.

Although I like BBQ, I\'m not that fond of Cajun/Creole or BBQ. I
much prefer Asian food. Anything from Suez to Seoul.

Dumplings are big lately.

Korean, fabulous:

https://www.uniteddumplings.com/

Looks more Chinese than Korean, although I see they have a Korean BBQ
Beef Dumpling.

Out of the dozen or so Korean restaurants, we usually go here:

http://arirangannarbor.com

--
Cindy Hamilton
 
On 2023-04-04, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:23:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I note from watching many car mechanic you tube videos that even proper
US made cars are moving to metric screws. And things like a \"12.5mm
wrench\" are mire likely than a \'half inch\'

I have tools in both systems. Even my 1986 Ford pickup throws in a little
metric every now and then. The forks, carb, and other bits on the Harley
are Japanese and hence metric. Only the Toyota car and Suzuki bikes have
no surprises.

When working under car a female significant other can copy better with
metric sizes than \'Give me the damn 13/16\"

Your female significant other, perhaps. I\'m quite comfortable with
fractions.

--
Cindy Hamilton
 
On 03-Apr-23 22:12, Scott Lurndal wrote:
\"NY\" <me@privacy.invalid> writes:
\"rbowman\" <bowman@montana.com> wrote in message
news:k90mepFq2rsU1@mid.individual.net...
On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 18:41:30 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 03/04/2023 03:30, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 19:46:56 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

To imagine America, just think of any other country 50 years ago.
They evolve slowly over there.

At least America is evolving. The UK has been devolving since they lost
that war they thought they won. How\'s that true Scotsman, Humza Yousaf,
doing?

I wonder whether he puts sugar on his porridge.

I don\'t have a clue what the nuances of that are. I wouldn\'t use
\'porridge\' but when I made oatmeal this weekend I added dried cherries, a
little stevia, and cinnamon. I hope that doesn\'t make me a Scot.

As I understand it, \"real\" Scotsmen regard porridge as a savoury dish,
seasoned with salt, rather than (as everyone else does) a sweet dish,
seasoned with sugar and maybe fruit.


\"Real\" Scotsmen also eat Haggis. \'nuf said.

But only when they are in season.
No-one has ever managed to successfully farm haggis, they only thrive in
the wild.

--
Sam Plusnet
 

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