US sets record for billion-dollar weather disasters in a year -- and there’s still 4 months to go...

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:46:58 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 11:26:05 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:18:22?PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.
Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate
figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential
elections.
Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate
catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of
\'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\'
and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Camp of the Saints, anyone?

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.
Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What
phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately,
pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.
I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that
whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2
and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere
due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920
far better fits the data.

You do understand the science has uncovered atmospheric fossils in the form of air bubbles trapped in 100 million year old ice? Methane and CO2 play a very strong role in warming as well as cooling. You don\'t have to go back nearly as far in time to find a complete absence of broadcast emissions.
Sorry, Fred, but the \"greenhouse gas\" theory of warming is total
garbage and there is *zero* correlation between CO2 levels and
temperature. For the avoidance of doubt, let me repeat that once more:
*ZERO* correlation. *If* warming is happening, you need to identify a
different culprit for the phenomenon.

Correlation is a statistical technique to make a determination of dependence between two random variables. CO2 concentration is not a random variable, it is a deterministic variable. The big problem there is the very large number of other deterministic variables corrupting hypothetical regression testing of CO2. But why bother really, there is such a thing called physics. The \'blanketing\' effect of CO2 has been well known and established for over 150 years. And thank goodness for it, Earth would a frozen mess without it..

Read the link below, especially Fig. 1. Spectrum of the greenhouse radiation measured at the surface. Let us know the problems you see with it Energy im-balance is a net gain of heat and steadily increasing, and that\'s a measurement, not sampling inference. It\'s bad enough as it is, but the idea of allowing the rate of gain to increase is suicide:

https://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:22:22 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:29:17 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:18:22 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential elections.

Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of \'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\' and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Of course they do.

snipped reference to twaddle
Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.

Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately, pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.

I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2 and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920 far better fits the data.

Largely because Cursitor Doom\'s lengthy, extensive and totally incompetent investigations ignore modern data - he likes to claim that it all faked - that show he is talking utter bollocks.

Fred Bloggs enthusiasm for energy imbalance is equally daft. The core of the earth can store a huge amount of heat without getting significant warmer, while we live on the thin skin on the surface which has a rather shorter thermal time constant.

Sloman is analytically impaired, he can\'t come up with the first arithmetic estimate of his insane claims. And his claims run contrary to the best estimates of people like James Hansen.

The insanity is all Fred Bloggs\', and if he thinks that James Hansen talks about \"energy imbalance\" he\'d better post a link to the relevant text.

> Sloman may be overlooking the fact the Earth\'s core has a 100,000 year absorption time constant. This aside from the fact of heat energy flowing from warmer to cooler temperatures making just the thinnest shell of the planet, 200E6 sq mi surface, available for heat exchange, which goes both ways....

I have no idea of the thermal tine constant of the earth as a whole - 100,000 years sounds vaguely plausible, but there\'s absolute no point in working out an exact value. The point that we live on the surface of the planet, which has less thermal inertia, is one that I\'d just posted.

> Energy balance is everything, and the people who have been working on it have dead certain rate of warming correlating very strongly with it.

Energy balance makes for a superficially analytical presentation, until they ignore the heat flowing down into the core of the planet.
It\'s not actually a useful way to think about the issue, but since Fred is just constructing superficially impressive rhetoric he doesn\'t know about that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:49:03 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:29:17 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:18:22 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential elections.

Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of \'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\' and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?

Of course they do.

snipped reference to twaddle

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.

Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately, pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.

I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2 and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920 far better fits the data.

Largely because Cursitor Doom\'s lengthy, extensive and totally incompetent investigations ignore modern data - he likes to claim that it all faked - that show he is talking utter bollocks.

Fred Bloggs enthusiasm for energy imbalance is equally daft. The core of the earth can store a huge amount of heat without getting significant warmer, while we live on the thin skin on the surface which has a rather shorter thermal time constant.

The only way global warming can heat the core is by reducing the temperature gradient to the surface, and by a very minuscule amount. So the internally generated thermal energy stabilizes at an immeasurably higher temperature.

Not \"measurably high\" though the measurements are indirect.

https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/core/

The surface of the inner core is the hottest area, at 6,000° Celsius (which happens to be the same as the surface of the sun), while the centre of the inner core is a bit cooler about 5,200° Celsius. The iron in the liquid outer core absorbs energy when it condenses to form the rigid inner core material, so it is a bit cooler,

> Since geothermal energy contributes 100ths of a percent of total global energy input, your idea is totally wackadoodle.

On the contrary, it is perfectly sound thermodynamics, which you don\'t seem to know enough to understand.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydhey

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 8:46:58 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 11:26:05 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:18:22?PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that
whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2
and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere
due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920
far better fits the data.

You do understand the science has uncovered atmospheric fossils in the form of air bubbles trapped in 100 million year old ice? Methane and CO2 play a very strong role in warming as well as cooling. You don\'t have to go back nearly as far in time to find a complete absence of broadcast emissions.

It\'s called \"ice core data\"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_core

> Sorry, Fred, but the \"greenhouse gas\" theory of warming is total garbage and there is *zero* correlation between CO2 levels and temperature.

Cursitor Doom is utterly confident of the correctness of his lunatic delusions.

For the avoidance of doubt, let me repeat that once more: *ZERO* correlation. *If* warming is happening, you need to identify a
different culprit for the phenomenon.

Ask any demented idiot. The scientific community doesn\'t share this demented delusion. The fossil carbon extraction industry does try to popularise it - they\'ve made a lot of money out of digging up fossil carbon and selling it to be burnt to release energy and CO2 and are happy to ignore the consequences if they can keep on making money that way.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Öö Tiib]

On Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 21:26:12 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:18:22 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.
Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate
figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential
elections.
Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate
catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of
\'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\'
and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Camp of the Saints, anyone?

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.
Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What
phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately,
pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.
I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that
whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2
and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere
due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920
far better fits the data.

You do understand the science has uncovered atmospheric fossils in the form of air bubbles trapped in 100 million year old ice? Methane and CO2 play a very strong role in warming as well as cooling. You don\'t have to go back nearly as far in time to find a complete absence of broadcast emissions.

Cite please. AFAIK oldest permafrost found in Antarctica is
about 2.7 millions years old. From where that 100 million
year old ice was taken?

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 6:29:19 PM UTC+10, Öö Tiib wrote:

On Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 21:26:12 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:18:22 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.
Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate
figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential
elections.
Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate
catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of
\'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\'
and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Camp of the Saints, anyone?

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.
Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What
phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately,
pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.
I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that
whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2
and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere
due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920
far better fits the data.

You do understand the science has uncovered atmospheric fossils in the form of air bubbles trapped in 100 million year old ice? Methane and CO2 play a very strong role in warming as well as cooling. You don\'t have to go back nearly as far in time to find a complete absence of broadcast emissions..

Cite please. AFAIK oldest permafrost found in Antarctica is about 2.7 millions years old. From where that 100 million year old ice was taken?

Good question.

https://www.science.org/content/article/record-shattering-27-million-year-old-ice-core-reveals-start-ice-ages

from 2017 talks about the the 2.7 million year old ice - the URL has lost the decimal point - and points out that it wasn\'t an ice core from a layered build-up, and relies on radio isotope dating to establish its age.

I suspect that Fred is guilty of a typo - 100,000 year-old ice is perfectly adequate to take us earlier than Cursitor Doom\'s potty theories about our feeble radio emissions warming the ionosphere (when the Sun\'s photosphere has been emitting loads of radio-frequency emissions for billions of years).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 3:07:54 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:49:03 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:29:17 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:18:22 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential elections.

Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of \'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\' and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?

Of course they do.

snipped reference to twaddle

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.

Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately, pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.

I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2 and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920 far better fits the data.

Largely because Cursitor Doom\'s lengthy, extensive and totally incompetent investigations ignore modern data - he likes to claim that it all faked - that show he is talking utter bollocks.

Fred Bloggs enthusiasm for energy imbalance is equally daft. The core of the earth can store a huge amount of heat without getting significant warmer, while we live on the thin skin on the surface which has a rather shorter thermal time constant.

The only way global warming can heat the core is by reducing the temperature gradient to the surface, and by a very minuscule amount. So the internally generated thermal energy stabilizes at an immeasurably higher temperature.

Not \"measurably high\" though the measurements are indirect.

https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/core/

The surface of the inner core is the hottest area, at 6,000° Celsius (which happens to be the same as the surface of the sun), while the centre of the inner core is a bit cooler about 5,200° Celsius. The iron in the liquid outer core absorbs energy when it condenses to form the rigid inner core material, so it is a bit cooler,

Right- so that makes it a one way pathway for heat generated in the core to make it to the surface. The shallow surface isn\'t uniform in its composition or alteration due to weather, but you don\'t have to go too deep- compared to the planet radius- before it is. Earth is strictly a net source of geothermal energy emission, not a sink.

Since geothermal energy contributes 100ths of a percent of total global energy input, your idea is totally wackadoodle.
On the contrary, it is perfectly sound thermodynamics, which you don\'t seem to know enough to understand.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydhey

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:29:19 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:

On Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 21:26:12 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:18:22 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.
Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate
figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential
elections.
Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate
catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of
\'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\'
and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Camp of the Saints, anyone?

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.
Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What
phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately,
pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.
I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that
whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2
and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere
due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920
far better fits the data.

You do understand the science has uncovered atmospheric fossils in the form of air bubbles trapped in 100 million year old ice? Methane and CO2 play a very strong role in warming as well as cooling. You don\'t have to go back nearly as far in time to find a complete absence of broadcast emissions..

Cite please. AFAIK oldest permafrost found in Antarctica is
about 2.7 millions years old. From where that 100 million
year old ice was taken?

They can go back further than that:

https://www.anl.gov/article/unlocking-the-secrets-of-earths-early-atmosphere

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:05:43 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 3:07:54 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:49:03 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:29:17 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:18:22 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential elections.

Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of \'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\' and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?

Of course they do.

snipped reference to twaddle

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.

Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately, pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.

I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2 and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920 far better fits the data.

Largely because Cursitor Doom\'s lengthy, extensive and totally incompetent investigations ignore modern data - he likes to claim that it all faked - that show he is talking utter bollocks.

Fred Bloggs enthusiasm for energy imbalance is equally daft. The core of the earth can store a huge amount of heat without getting significant warmer, while we live on the thin skin on the surface which has a rather shorter thermal time constant.

The only way global warming can heat the core is by reducing the temperature gradient to the surface, and by a very minuscule amount. So the internally generated thermal energy stabilizes at an immeasurably higher temperature.

Not \"measurably high\" though the measurements are indirect.

https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/core/

The surface of the inner core is the hottest area, at 6,000° Celsius (which happens to be the same as the surface of the sun), while the centre of the inner core is a bit cooler about 5,200° Celsius. The iron in the liquid outer core absorbs energy when it condenses to form the rigid inner core material, so it is a bit cooler,

Right- so that makes it a one way pathway for heat generated in the core to make it to the surface.

There\'s nothing one-way about it. The earth\'s core is heated by radioactive decay so heat flows from the core to the surface, but the conduction path is bidirectional.

> The shallow surface isn\'t uniform in its composition or alteration due to weather, but you don\'t have to go too deep- compared to the planet radius- before it is. Earth is strictly a net source of geothermal energy emission, not a sink.

That doesn\'t stop the core warming up a bit if the surface gets marginally warmer. It won\'t be a large increase once you get much below the surface, but it can still store quite a bit of energy.

Since geothermal energy contributes 100ths of a percent of total global energy input, your idea is totally wackadoodle.

On the contrary, it is perfectly sound thermodynamics, which you don\'t seem to know enough about to understand.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydhey

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:12:28 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:29:19 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
On Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 21:26:12 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:18:22 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

You do understand the science has uncovered atmospheric fossils in the form of air bubbles trapped in 100 million year old ice? Methane and CO2 play a very strong role in warming as well as cooling. You don\'t have to go back nearly as far in time to find a complete absence of broadcast emissions.

Cite please. AFAIK oldest permafrost found in Antarctica is about 2.7 millions years old. From where that 100 million
year old ice was taken?

They can go back further than that:

https://www.anl.gov/article/unlocking-the-secrets-of-earths-early-atmosphere

But that\'s not air-bubbles. They were looking at the oxidation state of peridotite (a rock from earth\'s mantle rather than its crust). That does tell you about earth\'s very early atmosphere - about 4.5 billion years ago accordign to the article - but it\'s not remotely useful in pointing out that Cursitor Doom is a half-wit.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney