US sets record for billion-dollar weather disasters in a year -- and there’s still 4 months to go...

[Fred Bloggs]

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

https://apnews.com/article/weather-disasters-climate-change-fire-hurricane-2bcb9fff659d12338cc8f7eb7f82c2a1

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate
figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential
elections.
Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate
catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of
\'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\'
and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Camp of the Saints, anyone?

https://apnews.com/article/weather-disasters-climate-change-fire-hurricane-2bcb9fff659d12338cc8f7eb7f82c2a1

 

[Öö Tiib]

On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 11:12:20 UTC+3, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.
Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate
figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential
elections.
Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate
catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of
\'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\'
and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Camp of the Saints, anyone?

You mix together your denial of climate change and your xenophobia.
These properties are totally unrelated from each other.
All four extremes of combination are conceivable and valid political
positions:
1) the climate is doing great and we must help the poor people escaping
from their evil countries as lot we can.
2) the climate is doing great but we must kill the evil criminal foreigners
coming here to improve our life even more.
3) there is climate catastrophe starting that is partially caused by us and
we must help the poor people escaping from their countries as lot we can.
4) there is climate catastrophe starting that is partially caused by us
and we must kill the foreigners coming here on first sight for to survive.

https://apnews.com/article/weather-disasters-climate-change-fire-hurricane-2bcb9fff659d12338cc8f7eb7f82c2a1

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:12:20 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up with the climate figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential elections.

Ask anybody silly enough to believe what he reads in the Daily Mail.

> Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of \'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\' and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?

They do, but emigrating to a richer country is a more attractive option. The fact that the country got rich by setting the climate catastrophe in train does come into it.

> Camp of the Saints, anyone?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints

We don\'t share your taste for implausible nonsense, even if the book does seem to have developed a following amongst far-right half-wits.
I wouldn\'t have placed you higher than quarter-wit, but maybe you have aspirations.

> >https://apnews.com/article/weather-disasters-climate-change-fire-hurricane-2bcb9fff659d12338cc8f7eb7f82c2a1

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.
Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate
figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential
elections.
Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate
catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of
\'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\'
and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Camp of the Saints, anyone?

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted.. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.

https://apnews.com/article/weather-disasters-climate-change-fire-hurricane-2bcb9fff659d12338cc8f7eb7f82c2a1

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.
Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate
figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential
elections.
Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate
catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of
\'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\'
and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Camp of the Saints, anyone?

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.

Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What
phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately,
pray tell?

 

[Öö Tiib]

On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 15:58:13 UTC+3, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.
Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate
figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential
elections.
Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate
catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of
\'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\'
and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Camp of the Saints, anyone?

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.

Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What
phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately,
pray tell?

Why don\'t you read what US government agencies report and
illustrate with pie charts? Taxpayers pay for that.
<https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/overview-greenhouse-gases>
Similar measurements are done about whole world.

All scientists warnings were ignored. Svante Arrhenius did show already
1896 that CO2 is greenhouse gas. Charles David Keeling demonstrated
in sixties that the quantity of human-caused carbon dioxide emissions
into the air is enough to cause global warming. Who argues with it?
Only fossil burning industry propaganda.

It likely won\'t be outright climate catastrophe that sea starts to boil.
But it will be rather inconvenient for already current and next generations
for sure. Problems, deaths ...
<https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/10/world/deadly-europe-heatwave-2022-climate/index.html>
.... will get worse. And the climate refugees you probably already observe.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.
Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate
figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential
elections.
Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate
catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of
\'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\'
and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Camp of the Saints, anyone?

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.
Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What
phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately,
pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.
Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate
figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential
elections.
Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate
catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of
\'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\'
and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Camp of the Saints, anyone?

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.
Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What
phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately,
pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.

I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that
whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2
and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere
due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920
far better fits the data.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

https://apnews.com/article/weather-disasters-climate-change-fire-hurricane-2bcb9fff659d12338cc8f7eb7f82c2a1

Sure, inflation makes things more expensive.

The worst hurricane in US history was the great Galveston storm of
1900. Houses and lives were cheap back then.

People shouldn\'t build flimsy, flammible houses in harm\'s way.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:18:22 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential elections.

Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of \'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\' and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?

Of course they do.

<snipped reference to twaddle>

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.

Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately, pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.

I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2 and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920 far better fits the data.

Largely because Cursitor Doom\'s lengthy, extensive and totally incompetent investigations ignore modern data - he likes to claim that it all faked - that show he is talking utter bollocks.

Fred Bloggs enthusiasm for energy imbalance is equally daft. The core of the earth can store a huge amount of heat without getting significant warmer, while we live on the thin skin on the surface which has a rather shorter thermal time constant.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydhey

 

[whit3rd]

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 2:18:22 PM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.

OK, that\'s pretty standard thermodynamics.

I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that
whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2
and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere
due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920
far better fits the data.

There\'s a LOT of data on thermodynamics that shows us a mechanism, and
your \'lengthy\' investigations don\'t include that centuries-old bit of science.
That \'fits the data\' comment means you\'re a chartist, trying to infer trends and
extrapolate a black box. Chartists lose money on the stock market, and haven\'t
got the credibility of a good scientific theory. Cursitor Doom hasn\'t lost
money here, but his credibility is negligible.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:29:17 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:18:22 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential elections.

Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of \'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\' and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Of course they do.

snipped reference to twaddle
Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.

Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately, pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.

I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2 and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920 far better fits the data.
Largely because Cursitor Doom\'s lengthy, extensive and totally incompetent investigations ignore modern data - he likes to claim that it all faked - that show he is talking utter bollocks.

Fred Bloggs enthusiasm for energy imbalance is equally daft. The core of the earth can store a huge amount of heat without getting significant warmer, while we live on the thin skin on the surface which has a rather shorter thermal time constant.

Sloman is analytically impaired, he can\'t come up with the first arithmetic estimate of his insane claims. And his claims run contrary to the best estimates of people like James Hansen.

Sloman may be overlooking the fact the Earth\'s core has a 100,000 year absorption time constant. This aside from the fact of heat energy flowing from warmer to cooler temperatures making just the thinnest shell of the planet, 200E6 sq mi surface, available for heat exchange, which goes both ways...

Energy balance is everything, and the people who have been working on it have dead certain rate of warming corelating very strongly with it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydhey

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:18:22 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.
Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate
figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential
elections.
Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate
catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of
\'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\'
and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Camp of the Saints, anyone?

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.
Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What
phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately,
pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.
I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that
whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2
and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere
due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920
far better fits the data.

You do understand the science has uncovered atmospheric fossils in the form of air bubbles trapped in 100 million year old ice? Methane and CO2 play a very strong role in warming as well as cooling. You don\'t have to go back nearly as far in time to find a complete absence of broadcast emissions.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:35:25 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

https://apnews.com/article/weather-disasters-climate-change-fire-hurricane-2bcb9fff659d12338cc8f7eb7f82c2a1
Sure, inflation makes things more expensive.

The worst hurricane in US history was the great Galveston storm of
1900. Houses and lives were cheap back then.

People shouldn\'t build flimsy, flammible houses in harm\'s way.

Worst stuff has happened. There is strong evidence of some huge sandstorm blowing off the Sahara that killed everyone on NA east coast by suffocation some 10-50 thousand years ago . Evidence is in the form of uncovered sand deposits and abrupt disappearance of remains of human activity.

Be thankful those mega-bear things that stood 15 ft at the shoulder and could run 45 MPH are no longer roaming around.

Everyone is going to have to live in concrete berm houses/ buildings...

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:29:17 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:18:22 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential elections.

Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of \'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\' and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Of course they do.

snipped reference to twaddle
Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.

Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately, pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.

I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2 and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920 far better fits the data.
Largely because Cursitor Doom\'s lengthy, extensive and totally incompetent investigations ignore modern data - he likes to claim that it all faked - that show he is talking utter bollocks.

Fred Bloggs enthusiasm for energy imbalance is equally daft. The core of the earth can store a huge amount of heat without getting significant warmer, while we live on the thin skin on the surface which has a rather shorter thermal time constant.

The only way global warming can heat the core is by reducing the temperature gradient to the surface, and y a very minuscule amount. So the internally generated thermal energy stabilizes at an immeasurably higher temperature. Since geothermal energy contributes 100ths of a percent of total global energy input, your idea is totally wackadoodle.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydhey

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 11:34:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:35:25?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

https://apnews.com/article/weather-disasters-climate-change-fire-hurricane-2bcb9fff659d12338cc8f7eb7f82c2a1
Sure, inflation makes things more expensive.

The worst hurricane in US history was the great Galveston storm of
1900. Houses and lives were cheap back then.

People shouldn\'t build flimsy, flammible houses in harm\'s way.

Worst stuff has happened. There is strong evidence of some huge sandstorm blowing off the Sahara that killed everyone on NA east coast by suffocation some 10-50 thousand years ago . Evidence is in the form of uncovered sand deposits and abrupt disappearance of remains of human activity.

Be thankful those mega-bear things that stood 15 ft at the shoulder and could run 45 MPH are no longer roaming around.

Everyone is going to have to live in concrete berm houses/ buildings...

People insist on building big ranch-style houses on beaches and in
flood plains. In Louisiana, some people had the sense to use stilt
pilings for the garage level.

Building in or near forests is scenic too.

Lahaina and Paradise were firetraps.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:24:56 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 11:34:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:35:25?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

https://apnews.com/article/weather-disasters-climate-change-fire-hurricane-2bcb9fff659d12338cc8f7eb7f82c2a1
Sure, inflation makes things more expensive.

The worst hurricane in US history was the great Galveston storm of
1900. Houses and lives were cheap back then.

People shouldn\'t build flimsy, flammible houses in harm\'s way.

Worst stuff has happened. There is strong evidence of some huge sandstorm blowing off the Sahara that killed everyone on NA east coast by suffocation some 10-50 thousand years ago . Evidence is in the form of uncovered sand deposits and abrupt disappearance of remains of human activity.

Be thankful those mega-bear things that stood 15 ft at the shoulder and could run 45 MPH are no longer roaming around.

Everyone is going to have to live in concrete berm houses/ buildings...
People insist on building big ranch-style houses on beaches and in
flood plains. In Louisiana, some people had the sense to use stilt
pilings for the garage level.

Building in or near forests is scenic too.

Lahaina and Paradise were firetraps.

Risk results for vulnerability and exposure. Flimsy building (vulnerability) in the dumbest places (exposure) is just plain high risk. The market is correcting for this and should greatly dampen the new construction. People stuck in the legacy stuff are just that, stuck.

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 18:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:18:22?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.

Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential elections.

Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of \'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\' and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?

Of course they do.

snipped reference to twaddle

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.

Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately, pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.

I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2 and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920 far better fits the data.

Largely because Cursitor Doom\'s lengthy, extensive and totally incompetent investigations ignore modern data - he likes to claim that it all faked - that show he is talking utter bollocks.

Bill, you\'re just trolling again as always and you don\'t do much else
these days, either. Sorry, but I\'m not biting today; better luck next
time.

Fred Bloggs enthusiasm for energy imbalance is equally daft. The core of the earth can store a huge amount of heat without getting significant warmer, while we live on the thin skin on the surface which has a rather shorter thermal time constant.

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 11:26:05 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:18:22?PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:12:20?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

And they\'re not beginning to count the billions of international disaster relief.

But science is just a manmade abstraction, none of this is real, it\'s all a hoax.
Yes, Fred, it\'s a hoax and the people who come up wth the climate
figures are the same ones who count the votes in your presidential
elections.
Once the West comes to accept that it\'s culpable for the \'climate
catastrophe\' they\'ll also have to accept hundreds of millions of
\'climate refugees\' into their homes, because, well, it\'s \'our fault\'
and these \'poor, displaced people\' have no other option, have they?
Camp of the Saints, anyone?

Most of the first world is at higher latitudes causing a delay in the catastrophe. The delay has run its course and ended. The U.S. is fast becoming as big a climate mess as anywhere else. Drought, record heat waves, off the scale wind storms, and torrential rainfalls, are now occurring with unprecedented intensity and frequency, causing enormous damage. The federal crop insurance fund is nearly bankrupt, the FEMA disaster relief fund is depleted. It is not looking good for them at all. They\'re now rushing the better part of a $ billion in aid to Libya where many thousands of people have perished in a massive flash flood caused by a downpour that was something like 5x their entire annual rain. People have been programmed to believe catastrophic weather always subsides and eventually goes away. Unfortunately, this not a weather phenomenon, it is a climate phenomenon, and climates don\'t subside and go away, they become the new abnormal.
Let\'s just assume all the above nonsense is true for a moment. What
phenomenon do you attribute this \'climate catastrophe\' to ultimately,
pray tell?

Fundamentally it is due to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Regardless of the debate about exactly what\'s causing this, the imbalance is in fact there and measured with great precision by multiple satellite constellations.

As long as the incoming energy exceeds the outgoing, Earth will continue to get warmer. And there\'s stuff happening on Earth, like methane release due to tundra melt, that accelerates the warming.
I don\'t buy it. My own lengthy and extensive investigations show that
whilst I can\'t rule out some amount of warming, I *can* rule out CO2
and methane levels as a culprit. Electron warming of the ionosphere
due to the massive increase in broadcast emissions since about 1920
far better fits the data.

You do understand the science has uncovered atmospheric fossils in the form of air bubbles trapped in 100 million year old ice? Methane and CO2 play a very strong role in warming as well as cooling. You don\'t have to go back nearly as far in time to find a complete absence of broadcast emissions.

Sorry, Fred, but the \"greenhouse gas\" theory of warming is total
garbage and there is *zero* correlation between CO2 levels and
temperature. For the avoidance of doubt, let me repeat that once more:
*ZERO* correlation. *If* warming is happening, you need to identify a
different culprit for the phenomenon.