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On 2023-04-17, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 08/03/2023 17:36, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:23:13 +0000, NY wrote:
OK, so some British-English spellings have mutated over the years: few
people uses \"gaol\" instead of \"jail\", and \"disk\" is becoming common as
an alternative to \"disc\" - and not just in computing. Of course CD is
\"compact disc\" with a C, so British spelling rules there ;-)
Gaol always threw me as in \'The Ballad of Reading Gaol\'. I suppose it\'s in
line with Gerald and so forth. I\'m never sure about disk and tend to
alternate. \'Ax\' is another one. This newsreader flags \'axe\' but I tend to
favor that spelling.
The one difference that works the opposite way round is the
pronunciation of \"herb\". British pronounces the H whereas American often
omits the H sound \"erb\" as if it were French.
I\'ll go with herb. \'Erb\' sounds affected to me.
Herb sounds affected to me.
It\'s a guy name.
I wonder why Americans (it seems to me anyway) pronounce the H in the
the name Herb, but not in the foodstuffs?
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/the-mystery-hour/words/why-do-americans-say-erb-not-herb-133028
And:
\"Apparently the English used to drop the H sound as well, but in the
19th century they brought it back. By then America had been an
independent country for many years so we kept the dropped-H
pronunciation.\"
I kind of doubt the latter, but I totally believe everything on the WWW.
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 18:05:21 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 17/04/2023 10:14, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-04-17, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 08/03/2023 17:36, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:23:13 +0000, NY wrote:
OK, so some British-English spellings have mutated over the years:
few people uses \"gaol\" instead of \"jail\", and \"disk\" is becoming
common as an alternative to \"disc\" - and not just in computing. Of
course CD is \"compact disc\" with a C, so British spelling rules
there ;-)
Gaol always threw me as in \'The Ballad of Reading Gaol\'. I suppose
it\'s in line with Gerald and so forth. I\'m never sure about disk
and tend to alternate. \'Ax\' is another one. This newsreader flags
\'axe\' but I tend to favor that spelling.
The one difference that works the opposite way round is the
pronunciation of \"herb\". British pronounces the H whereas American
often omits the H sound \"erb\" as if it were French.
I\'ll go with herb. \'Erb\' sounds affected to me.
Herb sounds affected to me.
It\'s a guy name.
I wonder why Americans (it seems to me anyway) pronounce the H in the
the name Herb, but not in the foodstuffs?
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/the-mystery-hour/words/why-
do-americans-say-erb-not-herb-133028
And:
\"Apparently the English used to drop the H sound as well, but in the
19th century they brought it back. By then America had been an
independent country for many years so we kept the dropped-H
pronunciation.\"
I kind of doubt the latter, but I totally believe everything on the
WWW.
I knew why they dropped the H, but still don\'t know why the fail to drop
it on the man\'s name.
They copied the french who cannot pronounce aich, businesses thought it
sounded posh. It has now extended to \'istoric\'
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:12:07 -0000 (UTC)
phister <phister@inbox.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 18:05:21 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 17/04/2023 10:14, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
\"Apparently the English used to drop the H sound as well, but in
the 19th century they brought it back. By then America had been an
independent country for many years so we kept the dropped-H
pronunciation.\"
I kind of doubt the latter, but I totally believe everything on the
WWW.
I knew why they dropped the H, but still don\'t know why the fail to
drop it on the man\'s name.
They copied the french who cannot pronounce aich, businesses thought
it sounded posh. It has now extended to \'istoric\'
For some years after 1066, English aristocrats spoke French, so we have
quite a few leftovers still in use.
There are a number of cases of US people using older forms of English
that British English evolved away from. We still say \'forgotten\' as the
perfect tense, but no longer use \'gotten\', which Americans retain.
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 21:05:54 +0100, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:12:07 -0000 (UTC)
phister <phister@inbox.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 18:05:21 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 17/04/2023 10:14, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
\"Apparently the English used to drop the H sound as well, but in
the 19th century they brought it back. By then America had been an
independent country for many years so we kept the dropped-H
pronunciation.\"
I kind of doubt the latter, but I totally believe everything on the
WWW.
I knew why they dropped the H, but still don\'t know why the fail to
drop it on the man\'s name.
They copied the french who cannot pronounce aich, businesses thought
it sounded posh. It has now extended to \'istoric\'
For some years after 1066, English aristocrats spoke French, so we have
quite a few leftovers still in use.
There are a number of cases of US people using older forms of English
that British English evolved away from. We still say \'forgotten\' as the
perfect tense, but no longer use \'gotten\', which Americans retain.
I don\'t use either because I have no fucking idea what a perfect tense
is. I draw the line after past, present, future. There are no other
places on the timeline!
Enlighten yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_(grammar)
On 05/05/2023 16:48, Max Demian wrote:
So it looks as if ancient languages are more complex that modern ones,
with all their inflexions. It\'s thought that the first utterances were
complete sentences and they were simplified by splitting into words
later. This facilitated analysis of concepts and enabled greater
understanding of the world.
My wife studied linguistics at Uni - the origin and development of
languages.
About the only thing I learned from that is that there are no rules.
For example - plurals - we have singular and plural. One or many. Some
languages have 1, 2, many.
Some add or change prefix for plurals, some
suffix, some use a separate word...
On Tue, 09 May 2023 12:41:12 +0100, Vir Campestris <vir.cam...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 05/05/2023 16:48, Max Demian wrote:
So it looks as if ancient languages are more complex that modern ones,
with all their inflexions. It\'s thought that the first utterances were
complete sentences and they were simplified by splitting into words
later. This facilitated analysis of concepts and enabled greater
understanding of the world.
Isn\'t German still like that? Huge long words to mean something complicated?
My wife studied linguistics at Uni - the origin and development of languages.
About the only thing I learned from that is that there are no rules.
For example - plurals - we have singular and plural. One or many. Some
languages have 1, 2, many.
Why is zero plural?
Some add or change prefix for plurals, some suffix, some use a separate word...
And English does all of the above at random.