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On 14/10/2022 17:11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:45:10 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:27:19 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:14:41 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2552e00e-d982-4e98...@googlegroups.com:
Does Ukraine have some Stealth Missiles not detected by Russian
air defence? We might have to wait until the war is over to get
answers.
If you think that Russia has good detection systems set up as they
retreat, you are even more stupid than I originally estimated.
I\'m pretty sure they\'re not going to retreat from Crimea. It\'s an
autonomous republic within the Russian Federation and has been for 8 years
now.
The Saky airbase is about as permanent an installation as you can get. It\'s
not some hastily set up field station of a retreating army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saky_(air_base)
And the Crimea bridge is the most heavily protected site in the world, with
many air defence systems in place, if only they are effective.
You need a big bomb to disable the bridge. The experts are estimating about
50,000 lbs was used, and that\'s about right. A missile is comparatively a
firecracker compared to that- maybe create a pothole.
The bridge is not vital. It was only recently completed. A big barge ferry is
good enough for them.
Conjecture in the UK is that the bomb was delivered either by boat, barge or
aquatic drone see the second video on this page. There is a wake near one of
the supports just before the big bang.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63192757
Even on the first video you see substantial amounts of water raining down from
the right which would be consistent with an explosion underneath the road deck
(exploiting the design of a bridge to damage it). Gravity acts downwards so
sudden upwards forces can do a lot more damage to the structure on the recoil
when it falls back down again.
I doubt if anything even using military high explosives that could be
manhandled off the back of a lorry would give such a very big bang.
On 10/15/2022 8:23 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:15:10 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
Not an expert on high explosives but it seems like getting a sub to
navigate in a shallow sea (6-7 fathoms), undetected AND carry a munition
sufficient to cause that sort of damage AND approach from the north
(russian held territory) AND target the roadway instead of the railway AND
escape AND cause the blast damage to appear on the TOP of the roadway
surface seems a bit too far-fetched.
https://www.pci.org/PCI/Design_Resources/Building_Engineering_Resources/Design_for_Blast_Resistance.aspx#:~:text=Precast%20concrete%20provides%20excellent%20Anti,structures%20providing%20protection%20and%20resiliency.
Not all concrete is created equal. Use your common sense. In addition to
constant exposure to highly corrosive influences in the sea water and air,
the bridge components need to be about the strongest available to handle the
dead load of the bridge itself as well as the live load of fast moving heavy
vehicles. Those piers they have are positively HUGE. The equivalent weight
of TNT explosives required to knock stuff like that down is an integer
multiple of the weight of the concrete- so that makes it a really large
amount.
Had you been less aggressive in your quoting, you\'d have found:
I bet it\'s a mini-sub firing stealth missiles from the north. Same type
---------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
that hit the Saky airfield.
I.e., something that came OUT of the water to target the structures
atop the piers:
AND cause the blast damage to appear on the TOP of the roadway
On 10/15/2022 10:05 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 14/10/2022 17:11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:45:10 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:27:19 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:14:41 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2552e00e-d982-4e98...@googlegroups.com:
Does Ukraine have some Stealth Missiles not detected by Russian
air defence? We might have to wait until the war is over to get
answers.
If you think that Russia has good detection systems set up as they
retreat, you are even more stupid than I originally estimated.
I\'m pretty sure they\'re not going to retreat from Crimea. It\'s an
autonomous republic within the Russian Federation and has been for 8 years
now.
The Saky airbase is about as permanent an installation as you can get. It\'s
not some hastily set up field station of a retreating army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saky_(air_base)
And the Crimea bridge is the most heavily protected site in the world, with
many air defence systems in place, if only they are effective.
You need a big bomb to disable the bridge. The experts are estimating about
50,000 lbs was used, and that\'s about right. A missile is comparatively a
firecracker compared to that- maybe create a pothole.
The bridge is not vital. It was only recently completed. A big barge ferry is
good enough for them.
Conjecture in the UK is that the bomb was delivered either by boat, barge or
aquatic drone see the second video on this page. There is a wake near one of
the supports just before the big bang.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63192757
Even on the first video you see substantial amounts of water raining down from
the right which would be consistent with an explosion underneath the road deck
(exploiting the design of a bridge to damage it). Gravity acts downwards so
sudden upwards forces can do a lot more damage to the structure on the recoil
when it falls back down again.
Big signs of fire/explosion on top of the roadway -- yet
none underneath??
https://twitter.com/N_Waters89/status/1579196213156810752/photo/2
I doubt if anything even using military high explosives that could be
manhandled off the back of a lorry would give such a very big bang.
On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 11:21:59 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 10/15/2022 10:05 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 14/10/2022 17:11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:45:10 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:27:19 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:14:41 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2552e00e-d982-4e98...@googlegroups.com:
Does Ukraine have some Stealth Missiles not detected by Russian
air defence? We might have to wait until the war is over to get
answers.
If you think that Russia has good detection systems set up as they
retreat, you are even more stupid than I originally estimated.
I\'m pretty sure they\'re not going to retreat from Crimea. It\'s an
autonomous republic within the Russian Federation and has been for 8 years
now.
The Saky airbase is about as permanent an installation as you can get. It\'s
not some hastily set up field station of a retreating army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saky_(air_base)
And the Crimea bridge is the most heavily protected site in the world, with
many air defence systems in place, if only they are effective.
You need a big bomb to disable the bridge. The experts are estimating about
50,000 lbs was used, and that\'s about right. A missile is comparatively a
firecracker compared to that- maybe create a pothole.
The bridge is not vital. It was only recently completed. A big barge ferry is
good enough for them.
Conjecture in the UK is that the bomb was delivered either by boat, barge or
aquatic drone see the second video on this page. There is a wake near one of
the supports just before the big bang.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63192757
Even on the first video you see substantial amounts of water raining down from
the right which would be consistent with an explosion underneath the road deck
(exploiting the design of a bridge to damage it). Gravity acts downwards so
sudden upwards forces can do a lot more damage to the structure on the recoil
when it falls back down again.
Big signs of fire/explosion on top of the roadway -- yet
none underneath??
Underside was all charred too.
https://twitter.com/N_Waters89/status/1579196213156810752/photo/2
I doubt if anything even using military high explosives that could be
manhandled off the back of a lorry would give such a very big bang.
On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 4:08:31 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 10/15/2022 8:23 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:15:10 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
Not an expert on high explosives but it seems like getting a sub to
navigate in a shallow sea (6-7 fathoms), undetected AND carry a munition
sufficient to cause that sort of damage AND approach from the north
(russian held territory) AND target the roadway instead of the railway AND
escape AND cause the blast damage to appear on the TOP of the roadway
surface seems a bit too far-fetched.
https://www.pci.org/PCI/Design_Resources/Building_Engineering_Resources/Design_for_Blast_Resistance.aspx#:~:text=Precast%20concrete%20provides%20excellent%20Anti,structures%20providing%20protection%20and%20resiliency.
Not all concrete is created equal. Use your common sense. In addition to
constant exposure to highly corrosive influences in the sea water and air,
the bridge components need to be about the strongest available to handle the
dead load of the bridge itself as well as the live load of fast moving heavy
vehicles. Those piers they have are positively HUGE. The equivalent weight
of TNT explosives required to knock stuff like that down is an integer
multiple of the weight of the concrete- so that makes it a really large
amount.
Had you been less aggressive in your quoting, you\'d have found:
I bet it\'s a mini-sub firing stealth missiles from the north. Same type
---------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
that hit the Saky airfield.
I.e., something that came OUT of the water to target the structures
atop the piers:
AND cause the blast damage to appear on the TOP of the roadway
There is this:
https://news.usni.org/2022/10/11/suspected-ukrainian-explosive-sea-drone-made-from-jet-ski-parts
UK gave them some underwater drones, but they were strictly to be used for mine clearing.
Ukraine Navy otherwise doesn\'t have any submarines.
On 10/15/2022 10:05 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 14/10/2022 17:11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:45:10 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:27:19 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:14:41 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2552e00e-d982-4e98...@googlegroups.com:
Does Ukraine have some Stealth Missiles not detected by Russian
air defence? We might have to wait until the war is over to get
answers.
If you think that Russia has good detection systems set up as they
retreat, you are even more stupid than I originally estimated.
I\'m pretty sure they\'re not going to retreat from Crimea. It\'s an
autonomous republic within the Russian Federation and has been for
8 years now.
The Saky airbase is about as permanent an installation as you can
get. It\'s not some hastily set up field station of a retreating army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saky_(air_base)
And the Crimea bridge is the most heavily protected site in the
world, with many air defence systems in place, if only they are
effective.
You need a big bomb to disable the bridge. The experts are estimating
about 50,000 lbs was used, and that\'s about right. A missile is
comparatively a firecracker compared to that- maybe create a pothole.
The bridge is not vital. It was only recently completed. A big barge
ferry is good enough for them.
Conjecture in the UK is that the bomb was delivered either by boat,
barge or aquatic drone see the second video on this page. There is a
wake near one of the supports just before the big bang.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63192757
Even on the first video you see substantial amounts of water raining
down from the right which would be consistent with an explosion
underneath the road deck (exploiting the design of a bridge to damage
it). Gravity acts downwards so sudden upwards forces can do a lot more
damage to the structure on the recoil when it falls back down again.
Big signs of fire/explosion on top of the roadway -- yet
none underneath??
https://twitter.com/N_Waters89/status/1579196213156810752/photo/2
I doubt if anything even using military high explosives that could be
manhandled off the back of a lorry would give such a very big bang.
On 16/10/2022 04:21, Don Y wrote:
On 10/15/2022 10:05 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 14/10/2022 17:11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:45:10 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:27:19 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:14:41 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2552e00e-d982-4e98...@googlegroups.com:
Does Ukraine have some Stealth Missiles not detected by Russian
air defence? We might have to wait until the war is over to get
answers.
If you think that Russia has good detection systems set up as they
retreat, you are even more stupid than I originally estimated.
I\'m pretty sure they\'re not going to retreat from Crimea. It\'s an
autonomous republic within the Russian Federation and has been for 8
years now.
The Saky airbase is about as permanent an installation as you can get.
It\'s not some hastily set up field station of a retreating army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saky_(air_base)
And the Crimea bridge is the most heavily protected site in the world,
with many air defence systems in place, if only they are effective.
You need a big bomb to disable the bridge. The experts are estimating about
50,000 lbs was used, and that\'s about right. A missile is comparatively a
firecracker compared to that- maybe create a pothole.
The bridge is not vital. It was only recently completed. A big barge ferry
is good enough for them.
Conjecture in the UK is that the bomb was delivered either by boat, barge or
aquatic drone see the second video on this page. There is a wake near one of
the supports just before the big bang.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63192757
Even on the first video you see substantial amounts of water raining down
from the right which would be consistent with an explosion underneath the
road deck (exploiting the design of a bridge to damage it). Gravity acts
downwards so sudden upwards forces can do a lot more damage to the structure
on the recoil when it falls back down again.
Big signs of fire/explosion on top of the roadway -- yet
none underneath??
https://twitter.com/N_Waters89/status/1579196213156810752/photo/2
Possibly because any soot that might have been deposited on the underside was
immediately pressure jetted off again by the water that you see raining back
down onto the road deck a few seconds later.
Water and powerful shockwaves can do strange things.
If the explosion had been on the road itself I reckon any shockwave hitting the
water would drive water away from the bridge not upwards.
Much of the soot seen on the road deck probably comes from the fires
afterwards. If we assume it was a good quality military explosive there will
not be much soot left behind. We may never know quite how it was done unless
someone who designed the device explains how they did it.
I\'m a bit surprised the extent to which both cameras were completely blinded by
the detonation flash. Only the foreground girder shading remains visible in
that frame.
I doubt if anything even using military high explosives that could be
manhandled off the back of a lorry would give such a very big bang.
On 10/15/2022 8:30 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 4:08:31 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 10/15/2022 8:23 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:15:10 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
Not an expert on high explosives but it seems like getting a sub to
navigate in a shallow sea (6-7 fathoms), undetected AND carry a munition
sufficient to cause that sort of damage AND approach from the north
(russian held territory) AND target the roadway instead of the railway AND
escape AND cause the blast damage to appear on the TOP of the roadway
surface seems a bit too far-fetched.
https://www.pci.org/PCI/Design_Resources/Building_Engineering_Resources/Design_for_Blast_Resistance.aspx#:~:text=Precast%20concrete%20provides%20excellent%20Anti,structures%20providing%20protection%20and%20resiliency.
Not all concrete is created equal. Use your common sense. In addition to
constant exposure to highly corrosive influences in the sea water and air,
the bridge components need to be about the strongest available to handle the
dead load of the bridge itself as well as the live load of fast moving heavy
vehicles. Those piers they have are positively HUGE. The equivalent weight
of TNT explosives required to knock stuff like that down is an integer
multiple of the weight of the concrete- so that makes it a really large
amount.
Had you been less aggressive in your quoting, you\'d have found:
I bet it\'s a mini-sub firing stealth missiles from the north. Same type
---------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
that hit the Saky airfield.
I.e., something that came OUT of the water to target the structures
atop the piers:
AND cause the blast damage to appear on the TOP of the roadway
There is this:
https://news.usni.org/2022/10/11/suspected-ukrainian-explosive-sea-drone-made-from-jet-ski-parts
UK gave them some underwater drones, but they were strictly to be used for mine clearing.
Ukraine Navy otherwise doesn\'t have any submarines.
https://www.coffeeordie.com/ukraine-kamikaze-drone-boats
But, none of this is really \"evidence\".
On 10/16/2022 1:44 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 16/10/2022 04:21, Don Y wrote:
On 10/15/2022 10:05 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 14/10/2022 17:11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:45:10 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:27:19 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:14:41 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2552e00e-d982-4e98...@googlegroups.com:
Does Ukraine have some Stealth Missiles not detected by Russian
air defence? We might have to wait until the war is over to get
answers.
If you think that Russia has good detection systems set up as they
retreat, you are even more stupid than I originally estimated.
I\'m pretty sure they\'re not going to retreat from Crimea. It\'s an
autonomous republic within the Russian Federation and has been for 8
years now.
The Saky airbase is about as permanent an installation as you can get.
It\'s not some hastily set up field station of a retreating army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saky_(air_base)
And the Crimea bridge is the most heavily protected site in the world,
with many air defence systems in place, if only they are effective.
You need a big bomb to disable the bridge. The experts are estimating about
50,000 lbs was used, and that\'s about right. A missile is comparatively a
firecracker compared to that- maybe create a pothole.
The bridge is not vital. It was only recently completed. A big barge ferry
is good enough for them.
Conjecture in the UK is that the bomb was delivered either by boat, barge or
aquatic drone see the second video on this page. There is a wake near one of
the supports just before the big bang.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63192757
Even on the first video you see substantial amounts of water raining down
from the right which would be consistent with an explosion underneath the
road deck (exploiting the design of a bridge to damage it). Gravity acts
downwards so sudden upwards forces can do a lot more damage to the structure
on the recoil when it falls back down again.
Big signs of fire/explosion on top of the roadway -- yet
none underneath??
https://twitter.com/N_Waters89/status/1579196213156810752/photo/2
Possibly because any soot that might have been deposited on the underside was
immediately pressure jetted off again by the water that you see raining back
down onto the road deck a few seconds later.
Dunno. None of the photos seem to have precise location identifications.
It seems like lots of random imagery is being pasted together and pitched
as indicative of something conclusive (I particularly enjoyed the X-ray
imagery of the alleged truck bomb).
Water and powerful shockwaves can do strange things.
If the explosion had been on the road itself I reckon any shockwave hitting the
water would drive water away from the bridge not upwards.
Unless it drove something (bridge part) *into* the water.
Much of the soot seen on the road deck probably comes from the fires
afterwards. If we assume it was a good quality military explosive there will
not be much soot left behind. We may never know quite how it was done unless
someone who designed the device explains how they did it.
I don\'t think the \"designer\" would necessarily have *expected* the
results we see -- though he may be able to rationalize them, after
the fact.
I look at this and try to identify motive, means and opportunity,
*possibly* leveraging a resolution of any one to help explain the
others.
It seems as if a Ukrainian attack would have chosen a different
target (e.g., the railroad crossing instead of the roadway).
The height of the RR span, at that point, isn\'t a deterrent as
they could have chosen a point before the RR lines had climbed
to that elevation-over-water.
And, you\'d think they would have approached (and attacked) from the south..
A *Russian* attack (false flag), OTOH, would likely have AVOIDED the
critical RR supply line in favor of just \"drumming up outrage\"
by damaging the less important roadway. (if you assume internal
factions are trying to force Putin\'s hand)
I\'d like to see an assessment of the amount of explosive force
involved and an analysis of the LIKELY size/volume of an explosive
(available to Ukranian vs. Russian actors) required to do that
much damage. That would help size the delivery vehicle.
Finally, an assessment of the timing (not just \"now\" vs. \"then\"
but time of day, etc.) and why that was \"opportune\" (assuming
one would choose the BEST time for such an attack)
So far, all I see are speculation (and my limited surfing
has turned up all sorts of wild conspiracy theories that
each \"smell bad\" logically).
One can bet that the militaries (of many nations) have better
assessments of these data even if they aren\'t publicly sharing
them.
What can\'t be ignored is that taking down all bridge traffic is
not inconceivable and may be far more likely than Putin may
want to admit, given their inability to protect against THIS
incident.
I\'m a bit surprised the extent to which both cameras were completely blinded by
the detonation flash. Only the foreground girder shading remains visible in
that frame.
It would be nice if there was high-speed video available for a more
fine-grained analysis. A lot can happen in the time of a single
video frame!
I doubt if anything even using military high explosives that could be
manhandled off the back of a lorry would give such a very big bang.
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:23:48 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 03:01:01 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
Ukraine claims responsibility of Saky airfield attack. No air defence alarmed and/or activated.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62821044
The supposed truck bomb driver is alive and well, under Russian custody. He must be superman to survive such blast from his truck.
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/13/1128625322/crimea-bridge-attack-theories
Enforcer has detail analysis of damages, likely side impact of some projectile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ltMCxKOPU
Does Ukraine have some Stealth Missiles not detected by Russian air defence? We might have to wait until the war is over to get answers.
The Russian military equipment, and the operators, are junk. Probably
all the tubes were stolen years ago.
To be sold on a black market or EBay... They probably have miscreants \"throwing\" military successes to Ukraine as well as giving them weapons- FOR A PRICE. \"We\'re going to do a tactical withdrawal today- and leave those ammo depots right where they are. We\'re not taking them.\"
In Chechnya relatively high ranking Russian military were selling their advanced SAMs to the separatists.
On 10/14/2022 8:23 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 03:01:01 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:
Ukraine claims responsibility of Saky airfield attack. No air defence alarmed and/or activated.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62821044
The supposed truck bomb driver is alive and well, under Russian custody. He must be superman to survive such blast from his truck.
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/13/1128625322/crimea-bridge-attack-theories
Enforcer has detail analysis of damages, likely side impact of some projectile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ltMCxKOPU
Does Ukraine have some Stealth Missiles not detected by Russian air defence? We might have to wait until the war is over to get answers.
The Russian military equipment, and the operators, are junk. Probably
all the tubes were stolen years ago.
Whew, good thing the DOD spent like 2 trillion dollars over the past 30
years to \"keep up\" with all their \"advanced hardware.\"
On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 12:55:37 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 10/14/2022 8:23 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 03:01:01 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
Ukraine claims responsibility of Saky airfield attack. No air defence alarmed and/or activated.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62821044
The supposed truck bomb driver is alive and well, under Russian custody. He must be superman to survive such blast from his truck.
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/13/1128625322/crimea-bridge-attack-theories
Enforcer has detail analysis of damages, likely side impact of some projectile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ltMCxKOPU
Does Ukraine have some Stealth Missiles not detected by Russian air defence? We might have to wait until the war is over to get answers.
The Russian military equipment, and the operators, are junk. Probably
all the tubes were stolen years ago.
Whew, good thing the DOD spent like 2 trillion dollars over the past 30
years to \"keep up\" with all their \"advanced hardware.\"
Our military stuff mostly works when it matters.
One advantage to the US style political parties is that they police
one another for corruption.
Enforcer has detail analysis of damages, likely side impact of someOn Monday, October 17, 2022 at 3:35:04 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 12:55:37 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net
wrote:
On 10/14/2022 8:23 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 03:01:01 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
Ukraine claims responsibility of Saky airfield attack. No air
defence alarmed and/or activated.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62821044
The supposed truck bomb driver is alive and well, under
Russian custody. He must be superman to survive such blast
from his truck.
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/13/1128625322/crimea-bridge-attack-theories
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ltMCxKOPU
Does Ukraine have some Stealth Missiles not detected by
Russian air defence? We might have to wait until the war is
over to get answers.
The Russian military equipment, and the operators, are junk.
Probably all the tubes were stolen years ago.
Whew, good thing the DOD spent like 2 trillion dollars over the
past 30 years to \"keep up\" with all their \"advanced hardware.\"
Our military stuff mostly works when it matters.
So they want you to think.
Take the first Patriot AA missile as an example. It did work
flawlessly with it\'s flawed design to guarantee it couldn\'t shoot
down a flying barn, so to speak.
Theodore Postal explains:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Postol#Patriot_missiles_in_Operation_Desert_Storm
They had some other wirelessly guided aerial bomb in First Gulf.
There was no end of official videos showing this thing going right
into target building openings and ventilation grills causing a
horrendous explosion that obliterated the entire structure. It was
only later the Air Force admitted the videos represented just 3% of
the drops.
On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 18:05:35 +0100, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 14/10/2022 17:11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:45:10 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:27:19 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:14:41 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2552e00e-d982-4e98...@googlegroups.com:
Does Ukraine have some Stealth Missiles not detected by Russian
air defence? We might have to wait until the war is over to get
answers.
If you think that Russia has good detection systems set up as they
retreat, you are even more stupid than I originally estimated.
I\'m pretty sure they\'re not going to retreat from Crimea. It\'s an autonomous republic within the Russian Federation and has been for 8 years now.
The Saky airbase is about as permanent an installation as you can get. It\'s not some hastily set up field station of a retreating army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saky_(air_base)
And the Crimea bridge is the most heavily protected site in the world, with many air defence systems in place, if only they are effective.
You need a big bomb to disable the bridge. The experts are estimating about 50,000 lbs was used, and that\'s about right. A missile is comparatively a firecracker compared to that- maybe create a pothole.
The bridge is not vital. It was only recently completed. A big barge ferry is good enough for them.
Conjecture in the UK is that the bomb was delivered either by boat,
barge or aquatic drone see the second video on this page. There is a
wake near one of the supports just before the big bang.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63192757
Even on the first video you see substantial amounts of water raining
down from the right which would be consistent with an explosion
underneath the road deck (exploiting the design of a bridge to damage
it). Gravity acts downwards so sudden upwards forces can do a lot more
damage to the structure on the recoil when it falls back down again.
I doubt if anything even using military high explosives that could be
manhandled off the back of a lorry would give such a very big bang.
I agree. Also, if it were a truck bomb, the bridge decking would be
ripped up and the guardrails torn off, but the decks look just fine
and the guardrails et al are still there.
Joe Gwinn