Ukrain invited into NATO...

On 16/03/22 02:38, Mike Monett wrote:
Zelensky is a true hero. His brave fight against Putin has won the admiration
of ordinary people and leaders around the world.

Here is how he rose from a comedian to a world leader:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzSjPxphfHI

His requests to join NATO have been refused. Until now.

Three European leaders have got on a train to Kyiv, a war zone, and offered
their support for Ukraine to join NATO.
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What\'s your source for that?

That is /exactly/ what Putin wants the world to believe,
since that is one of his \"justifications\" for the
(non-existant) war.

They may well have offered support /in principle/ for
Ukraine joining the EU, but that is irrelevant to NATO.


> This is a tremendous development that will change the world.

Ukraine will not join NATO, even though they would like to.

Even joining the EU is very unlikely.


The video is
very short. I was so stunned I could not believe my eyes. I had to repeat it
numerous times for it to sink in:
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Your time would have been better spent looking at other
sources that don\'t get their news from Russia Today\'s sources.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_qw6cicqHU

His bravery will enourage others to stand up and fight for the truth. He has
changed the world.
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There we agree.
 
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On 16/03/2022 10:29, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 16/03/22 02:38, Mike Monett wrote:
Zelensky is a true hero. His brave fight against Putin has won the
admiration
of ordinary people and leaders around the world.

Here is how he rose from a comedian to a world leader:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzSjPxphfHI

His requests to join NATO have been refused. Until now.

Three European leaders have got on a train to Kyiv, a war zone, and
offered
their support for Ukraine to join NATO.

What\'s your source for that?

That is /exactly/ what Putin wants the world to believe,
since that is one of his \"justifications\" for the
(non-existant) war.
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The world doesn\'t follow Putin\'s beliefs. We all know that Ukraine had
some interest in joining NATO before the invasion - they wanted to find
a balance between getting protection from Russia after previous military
aggression, and not wanting to antagonise them. We all know that NATO
would not have accepted Ukraine, precisely to avoid causing more agrivation.

We also all know that if there is one thing that is sure about the
result of this war, it is that the Ukraine /really/ want to join NATO
now. If they come out of this all with some semblance of sovereignty,
without having bargained away their right to apply to join NATO, then
they will be keen to start the process.

Many individual NATO countries will offer support to Ukraine\'s
application, if it comes. But I expect that NATO as a whole will reject
it to avoid rocking the boat any further.

None of this is part of Putin\'s propaganda, which has never been
intended to fool anyone outside his own borders. (That it fools a few
regulars here is accidental.)

Having said that, all I have heard about the prime ministers visiting
Kiev is that they are showing their support for Ukraine, not for Ukraine
membership in NATO.


They may well have offered support /in principle/ for
Ukraine joining the EU, but that is irrelevant to NATO.


This is a tremendous development that will change the world.

Ukraine will not join NATO, even though they would like to.
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I agree.

Even joining the EU is very unlikely.
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More likely than joining NATO, but still unlikely.
 
On 16/03/22 15:37, David Brown wrote:
On 16/03/2022 10:29, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 16/03/22 02:38, Mike Monett wrote:
Zelensky is a true hero. His brave fight against Putin has won the
admiration
of ordinary people and leaders around the world.

Here is how he rose from a comedian to a world leader:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzSjPxphfHI

His requests to join NATO have been refused. Until now.

Three European leaders have got on a train to Kyiv, a war zone, and
offered
their support for Ukraine to join NATO.

What\'s your source for that?

That is /exactly/ what Putin wants the world to believe,
since that is one of his \"justifications\" for the
(non-existant) war.


The world doesn\'t follow Putin\'s beliefs. We all know that Ukraine had
some interest in joining NATO before the invasion - they wanted to find
a balance between getting protection from Russia after previous military
aggression, and not wanting to antagonise them. We all know that NATO
would not have accepted Ukraine, precisely to avoid causing more agrivation.

We also all know that if there is one thing that is sure about the
result of this war, it is that the Ukraine /really/ want to join NATO
now. If they come out of this all with some semblance of sovereignty,
without having bargained away their right to apply to join NATO, then
they will be keen to start the process.

Many individual NATO countries will offer support to Ukraine\'s
application, if it comes. But I expect that NATO as a whole will reject
it to avoid rocking the boat any further.

None of this is part of Putin\'s propaganda, which has never been
intended to fool anyone outside his own borders. (That it fools a few
regulars here is accidental.)

Having said that, all I have heard about the prime ministers visiting
Kiev is that they are showing their support for Ukraine, not for Ukraine
membership in NATO.


They may well have offered support /in principle/ for
Ukraine joining the EU, but that is irrelevant to NATO.


This is a tremendous development that will change the world.

Ukraine will not join NATO, even though they would like to.


I agree.

Even joining the EU is very unlikely.


More likely than joining NATO, but still unlikely.
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We appear to be in violent agreement.

However, far too many people outside Russia do follow
\"Putin\'s beliefs\". Most of them don\'t realise that because
Russian propaganda has become more successful.
 
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 2:16:37 AM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
> We need a diversity of opinions.

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No, an opinion that we never landed on the moon is of no value. Much more useful are the facts regarding the actual moon landing event, the reality.

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On 16/03/2022 16:42, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 16/03/22 15:37, David Brown wrote:
On 16/03/2022 10:29, Tom Gardner wrote:

Ukraine will not join NATO, even though they would like to.


I agree.

Even joining the EU is very unlikely.


More likely than joining NATO, but still unlikely.

We appear to be in violent agreement.

However, far too many people outside Russia do follow
\"Putin\'s beliefs\". Most of them don\'t realise that because
Russian propaganda has become more successful.
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I don\'t know how common it is. I mean, even one person is \"too many\",
but I haven\'t encountered many who see things from Putin\'s viewpoint.
This group is hardly representative of people in general!

Of course no situation is ever quite black-or-white, and there is always
a bias to the information and opinions we are served. Ukraine has not
been a model country (though it has been improving significantly in many
ways), and while Putin\'s claims of genocide towards its Russian
minorities are clearly absurd exaggeration, they were not treated as
well as they might. And while I don\'t think NATO would let Ukraine join
properly, they are on a list of \"partners\". Putin was right to be
worried about Ukraine, and right to complain about close relationships
with NATO disrupting the status quo - but not right to invade (or annex
the Crimea, or to encourage and support rebellion in the east of the
country).
 
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote in
news:wOGdnax14bWg76z_nZ2dnUU7-bPNnZ2d@giganews.com:

On 2022/03/15 7:38 p.m., Mike Monett wrote:
Zelensky is a true hero. His brave fight against Putin has won
the admiration of ordinary people and leaders around the world.

Here is how he rose from a comedian to a world leader:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzSjPxphfHI

His requests to join NATO have been refused. Until now.

Three European leaders have got on a train to Kyiv, a war zone,
and offered their support for Ukraine to join NATO.

This is a tremendous development that will change the world. The
video is very short. I was so stunned I could not believe my
eyes. I had to repeat it numerous times for it to sink in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_qw6cicqHU

His bravery will enourage others to stand up and fight for the
truth. He has changed the world.


The organization has to agree to accept Ukraine, members can only
request the organization to consider it. It is not going to happen
at this time. Too many ways for things to spiral out of control...

I assume that Putin\'s fear now is if he doesn\'t conquer Ukraine
that they will join NATO in a few years (these things take time)
and then where will he be?

Not to mention that Sweden and Finland now see that NATO is their
best defence against Russia. They are seriously considering
joining.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/finland-sweden-brush
-off-moscows-warning-joining-nato-83126927

It now depends on how stable Putin can craft a \'victory\' out of
this debacle to save enough face to remain in power.

John
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Putin is an idiot. NATO nations are not pointing missiles at Russia.
NATO countries are pointing missile DEFENSE systems at Russian
airspace.

Putin is afraid of a takeover. If the rest of the world were
anything like him, it would have already happened. The fact that it
has not is proof that he is off his rocker with his zeal for getting
the old USSR back.
 
On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:25:24 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
John Robertson <sp...@flippers.com> wrote in
news:wOGdnax14bWg76z_...@giganews.com:

On 2022/03/15 7:38 p.m., Mike Monett wrote:
Zelensky is a true hero. His brave fight against Putin has won
the admiration of ordinary people and leaders around the world.

Here is how he rose from a comedian to a world leader:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzSjPxphfHI

His requests to join NATO have been refused. Until now.

Three European leaders have got on a train to Kyiv, a war zone,
and offered their support for Ukraine to join NATO.

This is a tremendous development that will change the world. The
video is very short. I was so stunned I could not believe my
eyes. I had to repeat it numerous times for it to sink in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_qw6cicqHU

His bravery will enourage others to stand up and fight for the
truth. He has changed the world.


The organization has to agree to accept Ukraine, members can only
request the organization to consider it. It is not going to happen
at this time. Too many ways for things to spiral out of control...

I assume that Putin\'s fear now is if he doesn\'t conquer Ukraine
that they will join NATO in a few years (these things take time)
and then where will he be?

Not to mention that Sweden and Finland now see that NATO is their
best defence against Russia. They are seriously considering
joining.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/finland-sweden-brush
-off-moscows-warning-joining-nato-83126927

It now depends on how stable Putin can craft a \'victory\' out of
this debacle to save enough face to remain in power.

John

Putin is an idiot. NATO nations are not pointing missiles at Russia.
NATO countries are pointing missile DEFENSE systems at Russian
airspace.

Putin is afraid of a takeover. If the rest of the world were
anything like him, it would have already happened. The fact that it
has not is proof that he is off his rocker with his zeal for getting
the old USSR back.
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Empty logic. It didn\'t happen because it didn\'t happen. U\'r FFF
 
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