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Uncle Steve
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On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 05:31:14PM -0500, John Fields wrote:
fashion today to place everything in neat categories with easily
recognized labels: Democrat, Republican, Christian, White, Leftist,
etc. These identifiers mean nothing and everything simultaneously.
But if someone is identified as a Christian, what does that mean?
What kind of Christian? So we do have a few more categories in such
cases: Catholic, Protestant, Born Again Christian, Christian
Scientist, Coptic Christian. These identifiers differentiate sects,
but the taxonomy of Christianity stops there. We have no identifiers
to differentiate according to the variations in ontology that occur
within such groups, excepting administrative roles and such. Yet, the
ontological variance occurring within any arbitrary sect may be
considerably larger than the official ontological differences between
sects.
The language and Lexicon has been structured to conceal a large amount
of detail that pertains to the realpolitik of politics, religion, and
sociology. To wit: it is my impression that there is a rather large
hidden subculture of heroin within Western society, with its own
rituals, politics, and norms. I am not speaking of gutter addicts,
but of a functional group that spans the middle-class to the political
elite. In practice a secret society (or several secret societies),
who live and work among mere mortals largely undetected because they
seem to be adept at concealing their addiction and mores in so
far as they are different from those of the average Joe and Jane.
Even their use of language has numerous defining characteristics which
differentiate their speech from accepted use.
Consider if some non-trivial segment of Federal political office was
occupied by individuals who have an interest in securing and
perpetuating the conditions that give them access to the drug. Would
that not constitute something of an Orwellian threat?
Regards,
Uncle Steve
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There should be a special word in the English language to identify
people who create problems and then turn around and offer up their own
tailor-made bogus non-solutions designed to completely avoid the root
causes of the situation under consideration. 'Traitor' might be a
good choice, but lacks the requisite specificity. One of the problems
with contemporary English is it lacks many such words that would
otherwise categorically identify certain kinds of person, place, or
thing -- making it difficult or impossible to think analytically about
such objects. These shortcomings of the English lexicon are
representative of Orwellian linguistics at work in the real world.
It's dark amusement.On Sun, 12 May 2013 21:09:06 -0400, Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 04:33:45PM -0500, John Fields wrote:
On Thu, 09 May 2013 20:59:01 -0400, Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com
wrote:
There should be a special word in the English language to identify
people who create problems and then turn around and offer up their own
tailor-made bogus non-solutions designed to completely avoid the root
causes of the situation under consideration. 'Traitor' might be a
good choice, but lacks the requisite specificity.
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"Nazi" would be a better choice, I think, since it seems to meet your
criteria.
Nazi is like 'traitor', but the idea that National Socialism was a
false flag operation is amusing.
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Not to the survivors, I daresay.
While that is technically correct, you should consider that it is theOne of the problems with contemporary English is it lacks many such words that would >otherwise categorically identify certain kinds of person, place, or thing -- making it >difficult or impossible to think analytically about such objects.
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Nonsense.
What you're proposing is that a noun, say something like 'glarf' would
tag someone who liked roses.
And 'glarfa' would tag someone who liked yellow roses...
and so on and so on...
Think about Reductio ad absurdum, and you might come to a more
pragmatic conclusion.
The point I am attempting to make, perhaps badly, is that there are
certain ideas about behaviour which lack descriptive and unique
identifiers. This makes it more diffucult to think about such things,
indeed if the inclination to do so ever arises.
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I disagree, in that if certain behaviors can't be identified with a
single "catchword" they can always be described more gently with a few
well-chosen words and even perhaps a sentence.
fashion today to place everything in neat categories with easily
recognized labels: Democrat, Republican, Christian, White, Leftist,
etc. These identifiers mean nothing and everything simultaneously.
But if someone is identified as a Christian, what does that mean?
What kind of Christian? So we do have a few more categories in such
cases: Catholic, Protestant, Born Again Christian, Christian
Scientist, Coptic Christian. These identifiers differentiate sects,
but the taxonomy of Christianity stops there. We have no identifiers
to differentiate according to the variations in ontology that occur
within such groups, excepting administrative roles and such. Yet, the
ontological variance occurring within any arbitrary sect may be
considerably larger than the official ontological differences between
sects.
The language and Lexicon has been structured to conceal a large amount
of detail that pertains to the realpolitik of politics, religion, and
sociology. To wit: it is my impression that there is a rather large
hidden subculture of heroin within Western society, with its own
rituals, politics, and norms. I am not speaking of gutter addicts,
but of a functional group that spans the middle-class to the political
elite. In practice a secret society (or several secret societies),
who live and work among mere mortals largely undetected because they
seem to be adept at concealing their addiction and mores in so
far as they are different from those of the average Joe and Jane.
Even their use of language has numerous defining characteristics which
differentiate their speech from accepted use.
Consider if some non-trivial segment of Federal political office was
occupied by individuals who have an interest in securing and
perpetuating the conditions that give them access to the drug. Would
that not constitute something of an Orwellian threat?
Let's try that again, shall we?These shortcomings of the English lexicon are representative of
Orwellian linguistics at work in the real world.
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Sounds like total and utter nonsense to me, but I'd like see what
you're talking about, especially the Orwellian influence.
Can you expound?
Just did.
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Silly me, I must have missed it.
What are you talking about?
Regards,
Uncle Steve
--
There should be a special word in the English language to identify
people who create problems and then turn around and offer up their own
tailor-made bogus non-solutions designed to completely avoid the root
causes of the situation under consideration. 'Traitor' might be a
good choice, but lacks the requisite specificity. One of the problems
with contemporary English is it lacks many such words that would
otherwise categorically identify certain kinds of person, place, or
thing -- making it difficult or impossible to think analytically about
such objects. These shortcomings of the English lexicon are
representative of Orwellian linguistics at work in the real world.