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[Ron(UK)]

William Sommerwerck wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4f7cf211c0dave@davenoise.co.uk...
In article <jpmdnfLbxNdR4k_anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
"James Sweet" <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:MTpAj.2364$Mp4.594@trndny02...

Until a few years ago, Mackie equipment was made right here
in Woodinville, WA. They eventually moved production to China
in order to remain competetive. Even some Fluke meters are
now Chinese-made.

I interviewed Mackie about a decade ago. It was nice to see
inexpensive products being made in the US. Mackie employees
seemed to have a good attitude about the company and its products.

I can see there being a problem making budget gear in a high wage
etc economy, but with high end stuff is the labour cost of manufacture
really impossible to absorb? Or is it just a question of maximising
profits
regardless?

At the time I visited, the boards were populated and soldered automatically.
The assembly line did not comprise a huge number of workers.

Mackie gear is not does not enjoy a very good reputation here in the UK
Ron(UK)

 

[Arfa Daily]

"Ron(UK)" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
news:4IGdnch-_oDBX07anZ2dnUVZ8hwAAAAA@bt.com...

William Sommerwerck wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4f7cf211c0dave@davenoise.co.uk...
In article <jpmdnfLbxNdR4k_anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
"James Sweet" <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:MTpAj.2364$Mp4.594@trndny02...

Until a few years ago, Mackie equipment was made right here
in Woodinville, WA. They eventually moved production to China
in order to remain competetive. Even some Fluke meters are
now Chinese-made.

I interviewed Mackie about a decade ago. It was nice to see
inexpensive products being made in the US. Mackie employees
seemed to have a good attitude about the company and its products.

I can see there being a problem making budget gear in a high wage
etc economy, but with high end stuff is the labour cost of manufacture
really impossible to absorb? Or is it just a question of maximising
profits
regardless?

At the time I visited, the boards were populated and soldered
automatically.
The assembly line did not comprise a huge number of workers.



Mackie gear is not does not enjoy a very good reputation here in the UK
Ron(UK)

I'm struggling to get parts for two units right now ...

Arfa

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Ron(UK)" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
news:4IGdnch-_oDBX07anZ2dnUVZ8hwAAAAA@bt.com...

Mackie gear is not does not enjoy a very good reputation
here in the UK Ron (UK)

In what respect? Because it is (was) from the US?

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:47D3B9B4.8F798534@hotmail.com...

Mackie isn't high-end.

It "sounds good". When I bought mine, I let it "break in" for a day, then
ran bypass tests on the mic preamps cum line outputs. I couldn't hear the
unit. J. Gordon Holt, who founded Stereophile, ran a similar test on a
Mackie he purchased, and was similarly surprised at the unit's transparency.

 

[Eeyore]

Arfa Daily wrote:

Mackie gear is not does not enjoy a very good reputation here in the UK

I'm struggling to get parts for two units right now ...

What parts ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Why are you hanging in my area dummy? Why don't you go back to your
hydrogen NG?

YOUR area ?

Graham

 

[Ron(UK)]

William Sommerwerck wrote:

"Ron(UK)" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
news:4IGdnch-_oDBX07anZ2dnUVZ8hwAAAAA@bt.com...

Mackie gear is not does not enjoy a very good reputation
here in the UK Ron (UK)

In what respect? Because it is (was) from the US?

Speaking in a purely live sound context, there is far better gear
available for similar or less money.

Mackie isn`t considered 'Pro' gear here in the UK. A lot of band's
riders stipulate "No Mackie"

Country of origin doesnt figure into it.

Ron(UK)

 

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[Arfa Daily]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:47D3DA88.9D9A5BFD@hotmail.com...

Arfa Daily wrote:

Mackie gear is not does not enjoy a very good reputation here in the UK

I'm struggling to get parts for two units right now ...

What parts ?

Graham

One's a mains tranny, and the other is either schematics for or a
replacement for a smps in a small unit of theirs. They did manage once to
send a tranny, but it was utterly the wrong one, so the shop whose gear it
is, sent it back ...

Arfa

 

[Arfa Daily]

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:O5OdnfyfU8j1R07anZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com...

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com
wrote in message news:47D3B9B4.8F798534@hotmail.com...

Mackie isn't high-end.

It "sounds good". When I bought mine, I let it "break in" for a day, then
ran bypass tests on the mic preamps cum line outputs. I couldn't hear the
unit. J. Gordon Holt, who founded Stereophile, ran a similar test on a
Mackie he purchased, and was similarly surprised at the unit's
transparency.

I'm very surprised to see the phrase "sounds good" from you William, given
the heated exchanges that have taken place on here before, regarding
'subjective' evaluations such as this, and your usual dismissal of such
'unscientific' tests ... ;-)

Arfa

 

[Ron(UK)]

Arfa Daily wrote:

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:O5OdnfyfU8j1R07anZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com
wrote in message news:47D3B9B4.8F798534@hotmail.com...

Mackie isn't high-end.
It "sounds good". When I bought mine, I let it "break in" for a day, then
ran bypass tests on the mic preamps cum line outputs. I couldn't hear the
unit. J. Gordon Holt, who founded Stereophile, ran a similar test on a
Mackie he purchased, and was similarly surprised at the unit's
transparency.



I'm very surprised to see the phrase "sounds good" from you William, given
the heated exchanges that have taken place on here before, regarding
'subjective' evaluations such as this, and your usual dismissal of such
'unscientific' tests ... ;-)

I was also surprised, "sounds good" isnt a phrase I associate with
Mackie. Maybe in a recording world where trivial stuff like headroom
isnt important, but in the world of sound reinforcement, Mackie mixing
desks just don't make it.

Possible a case of "pair bonding"?

Ron(UK)

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:hlUAj.888$jH5.611@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:O5OdnfyfU8j1R07anZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com
wrote in message news:47D3B9B4.8F798534@hotmail.com...

Mackie isn't high-end.

It "sounds good". When I bought mine, I let it "break in" for a day,
then ran bypass tests on the mic preamps cum line outputs.
I couldn't hear the unit. J. Gordon Holt, who founded Stereophile,
ran a similar test on a Mackie he purchased, and was similarly
surprised at the unit's transparency.

I'm very surprised to see the phrase "sounds good" from you William,
given the heated exchanges that have taken place on here before,
regarding 'subjective' evaluations such as this, and your usual
dismissal of such 'unscientific' tests ... ;-)

"Sounds good" is not the best term, but it was short. Obviously, I don't
want amplification that "sounds good", but has no sound of its own.

I consider bypass testing to be "scientific", in that it passes judgement on
the basis of accuracy, rather euphony.

But, yes, it was uncontrolled listening, and thus not truly scientific.

When the day comes that someone can predict what a piece of audio equipment
sounds like based on test-bench measurements, then I will stop advocating
subjective testing -- of which ABX is one form.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Ron(UK)" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
news:4OOdnWrSg411jknanZ2dnUVZ8sTinZ2d@bt.com...

I was also surprised, "sounds good" isnt a phrase I associate
with Mackie. Maybe in a recording world where trivial stuff like
headroom isnt important, but in the world of sound reinforcement,
Mackie mixing desks just don't make it.

I was using my Mackie for live recording of acoustic music. Headroom is not
a major consideration under such conditions -- transparency is.

Perhaps Mackie isn't expensive enough to be considered good.

When I worked for Neve many years ago, the employees readily admitted that
their consoles were hardly transparent, and that you readily hear a
difference between what went in and what came out.

With so much less "there there", the Mackies at least have a greater chance
of not doing as much damage to the sound.

 

[Michael Kennedy]

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:MFlAj.1518$kN5.1309@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...

cuhulin@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29961-47D1A2CF-273@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net...
I limey land, they are fixing to start paying $10.00 per gallon for
gasoline.
Sacred?
cuhulin


Your gallon is a little smaller than ours - 3.8 litres if I remember
correctly what it says on the public toilet flush handles over there. We
are currently paying around 1.05 GBP per litre, so that's 3.99 GBP per
U.S. sized gallon. Call it 4 for easy numbers. Current exchange rate is
about 2, so that's currently $8 per U.S. gallon, that we are paying for it
over here.

I'm not sure where your "sacred" comes into it all. "Criminal" would be my
word ... :-\

Arfa

I remember talking about Europe and gasoline prices back in school. The
teacher was talking about how gas was $3 a gallon there. We all thought that
was so expensive.. Now gasoline is $3.40 / gal here..

Mike

 

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to being your reliable partner in the future.
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[jakdedert]

William Sommerwerck wrote:

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"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com
wrote in message news:47D3B9B4.8F798534@hotmail.com...

Mackie isn't high-end.

It "sounds good". When I bought mine, I let it "break in" for a day,
then ran bypass tests on the mic preamps cum line outputs.
I couldn't hear the unit. J. Gordon Holt, who founded Stereophile,
ran a similar test on a Mackie he purchased, and was similarly
surprised at the unit's transparency.

I'm very surprised to see the phrase "sounds good" from you William,
given the heated exchanges that have taken place on here before,
regarding 'subjective' evaluations such as this, and your usual
dismissal of such 'unscientific' tests ... ;-)

"Sounds good" is not the best term, but it was short. Obviously, I don't
want amplification that "sounds good", but has no sound of its own.

I consider bypass testing to be "scientific", in that it passes judgement on
the basis of accuracy, rather euphony.

But, yes, it was uncontrolled listening, and thus not truly scientific.

When the day comes that someone can predict what a piece of audio equipment
sounds like based on test-bench measurements, then I will stop advocating
subjective testing -- of which ABX is one form.



Sounds good or not, the stuff is made cheaply and doesn't hold up well

under rigorous touring conditions. Servicability is also an issue.
That's the reason it's banned in equipment riders. In another ng there
was a thread about cheap mixers. Basically the conclusion was that you
buy one, it sounds fine. When it breaks (and it will break), throw it away.

jak

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Eeyore wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Why are you hanging in my area dummy? Why don't you go back to your
hydrogen NG?

YOUR area ?

Graham

Idiot. Learn to read headers to spot the aioe.org forgeries.

Aioe.org the home of cowards and terrorists.


--
My sig file can beat up your sig file!

 

[Don Bowey]

On 3/9/08 5:46 PM, in article 47D484D3.CFC9385E@earthlink.net, "Michael A.
Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Why are you hanging in my area dummy? Why don't you go back to your
hydrogen NG?

YOUR area ?

Graham


Idiot. Learn to read headers to spot the aioe.org forgeries.

Aioe.org the home of cowards and terrorists.

That's a good one. Good show!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:47D3B9B4.8F798534@hotmail.com...


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
"James Sweet" <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote

Until a few years ago, Mackie equipment was made right here
in Woodinville, WA. They eventually moved production to China
in order to remain competetive. Even some Fluke meters are
now Chinese-made.

I interviewed Mackie about a decade ago. It was nice to see
inexpensive
products being made in the US. Mackie employees seemed to have a good
attitude about the company and its products.

I can see there being a problem making budget gear in a high wage etc
economy, but with high end stuff is the labour cost of manufacture
really
impossible to absorb? Or is it just a question of maximising profits
regardless?

Mackie isn't high-end.

Graham

Why are you hanging in my area dummy? Why don't you go back to your
hydrogen NG?

--
Service to my evil master? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD666 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #666.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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Central Florida