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Rich Grise <rich@example.net> writes:
http://www.voltec-industries.com/nema_chart.html
https://www.hubbellnet.com/max_htm/tech_stuff/NEMA/front.html
http://nooutage.com/nema_configurations.htm
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Here's the one I use:
http://www.quail.com/nema.cfm

But yeah, TWO types of outlets? Come on, my house has way more than
just TWO types. Heck, I have at least two types of just 120v outlets.
I think I have four types of 240v outlets.
 
gsm@mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote in
news:slrnf87c2g.rkk.gsm@cable.mendelson.com:

Cut me a break. Since around 1960 all of the outlets in the U.S. have
grounds.
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In new installations maybe. There are still many hundreds of thousands of
two prong recepticals still installed, or incorectly refitted to three
prong recepticals.
 
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in
news:4efa0e28aedave@davenoise.co.uk:

Cut me a break. Since around 1960 all of the outlets in the U.S. have
grounds. In the U.K. you can buy appliances with 2 condoctor cords
with two plug pins that can usually be forced into U.K. outlets.
They are supposed to be for export to the E.U. but they are sold.

No you can't - legally. With the exception of shavers or toothbrushes
etc designed to fit a transformer isolated bathroom outlet, everything
must be fitted with a '13 amp' plug with a suitable fuse.
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The appliances have a two prong cord, but a 13A plug with a dummy ground
pin (to open the shutters in the receptical). With the exception of those
that are inteded to be plugged into the batheroom shaver outlet, and those
sold in the black/grey market
 
Gary Tait wrote:

b <reverend_rogers@yahoo.com> wrote

Leaving aside the joining wires/terminal blocks issue, on the subject
of the plugs and sockets, the UK one to me is superior in many ways.
1. fused plugs.
Not really needed, but could be a hazard due to mis-fusing.
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Hardly any more of a hazard than an unfused plug !

Graham
 
"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote in news:1183051231.753923.312880
@k29g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:

As to wire-nuts, what would you propose?
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Choc-Blocs or Wagos.
 
DJ Delorie wrote:

Rich Grise <rich@example.net> writes:
http://www.voltec-industries.com/nema_chart.html
https://www.hubbellnet.com/max_htm/tech_stuff/NEMA/front.html
http://nooutage.com/nema_configurations.htm

Here's the one I use:
http://www.quail.com/nema.cfm

But yeah, TWO types of outlets? Come on, my house has way more than
just TWO types. Heck, I have at least two types of just 120v outlets.
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Why would you need more than one type ?

Graham
 
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:
Why would you need more than one type ?
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Most of them are the usual 15 amp outlets (||). Some (in my workshop)
are 15/20 outlets, with the extra slot for 20A-only cords(+|). I have
one 30A twist-lock outlet in my generator, too.

I don't think I've ever seen the 20A-only plug on anything though.
Have they gone the way of the $2 bill?
 
In article <xn3b0bwrkd.fsf@delorie.com>, dj@delorie.com says...
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:
Why would you need more than one type ?

Most of them are the usual 15 amp outlets (||). Some (in my workshop)
are 15/20 outlets, with the extra slot for 20A-only cords(+|). I have
one 30A twist-lock outlet in my generator, too.

I don't think I've ever seen the 20A-only plug on anything though.
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I've seen them on air conditioners. I put one on a bathroom kick-
board heater (2kW).

Have they gone the way of the $2 bill?
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They're still around too. ;-)

--
Keith
 
In article <Xns995DC81BD3826wonkynillmailnil@142.77.1.194>,
classicsat@yahoo.com says...
gsm@mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote in
news:slrnf87c2g.rkk.gsm@cable.mendelson.com:


Cut me a break. Since around 1960 all of the outlets in the U.S. have
grounds.

In new installations maybe. There are still many hundreds of thousands of
two prong recepticals still installed, or incorectly refitted to three
prong recepticals.

Two-prong receptacles may be replaced by three-prong as long as there
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is a GFCI on the circuit. It's common to replace the first outlet on
the chain with a GFCI outlet. The grounds don't have to be
connected, but according to code it has to be marked as ungrounded.
I agree that many are incorrectly retrofitted (no GFCI).

--
Keith
 
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:27:15 GMT, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

"pfjw@aol.com" wrote:

Well, much of the "fires" due to faulty wiring are because we have
*had* wiring as a general condition in most houses since the early
1900s, so after 100 years or so it gets a little tired, and when
overloaded can fail. Of course, 100 years ago, y'all had very nice
green lawns and gorgeous buildings.... but little electricity other
than the very wealthy.

I'd like to see some supporting data for that litle outburst.
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---
It's not up to him to provide supporting data. If you want to
refute it, get off your fat, pompous ass and provide evidence to the
contrary.


--
JF
 
John Fields wrote:

Eeyorewrote:
"pfjw@aol.com" wrote:

Well, much of the "fires" due to faulty wiring are because we have
*had* wiring as a general condition in most houses since the early
1900s, so after 100 years or so it gets a little tired, and when
overloaded can fail. Of course, 100 years ago, y'all had very nice
green lawns and gorgeous buildings.... but little electricity other
than the very wealthy.

I'd like to see some supporting data for that litle outburst.

---
It's not up to him to provide supporting data. If you want to
refute it, get off your fat, pompous ass and provide evidence to the
contrary.
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Go fuck a pig.

Graham
 
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4efa43f9a9dave@davenoise.co.uk...
In article <46841553$1@news.cadence.com>,
Charlie Edmondson <edmondson@ieee.org> wrote:
I'm amazed. It presumably has some form of rubber insulation which
will
have crumbled away years ago.

More likely cloth, not rubber...

If like UK wiring of that age, rubberised cloth. Which crumbles away. Uk
wiring was often lead sheathed and inside the sheath the insulation can be
perfect. But the ends exposed to air etc not.

--
*If only you'd use your powers for good instead of evil.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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The lead was the earthing conductor and at most points, of a tight bend, the
lead would fail a few years after the bending at installation.

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/
 
Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.06.28.22.18.56.743381@example.net...
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:45:50 +0100, N Cook wrote:

Could someone direct me to pics of the 2 different types of plug/socket
system used in the USA to differentiate for medium and high power use, I
didn't even realise 220 or 240V was used residentially anywhere in the
USA.

http://www.voltec-industries.com/nema_chart.html
https://www.hubbellnet.com/max_htm/tech_stuff/NEMA/front.html
http://nooutage.com/nema_configurations.htm

Hope This Helps!
Rich
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Helps ?
It must be easier learning Japanese than learning to differentiate all that
lot and then ominously on top of that sections marked "Reserved for Future
Configurations"
Is it subsets of that lot for each state or each utility company or a total
mish-mash ?

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/
 
In article <f62bd2$i94$1@inews.gazeta.pl>,
N Cook <diverse8@gazeta.pl> wrote:
If like UK wiring of that age, rubberised cloth. Which crumbles away.
Uk wiring was often lead sheathed and inside the sheath the insulation
can be perfect. But the ends exposed to air etc not.
Click to expand...

The lead was the earthing conductor and at most points, of a tight bend,
the lead would fail a few years after the bending at installation.
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The entire lighting circuit in my house was wired in lead when I bought
it. And there was no sign of this at all. Nor can I think of a reason why
it would - unless subject to continuous flexing. In which case the
conductors would fail too.

--
*Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?*

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
 
"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

I'd like to see some supporting data for that litle outburst.

As late as the 1960's London had FOUR different electrical systems with
different voltages and plugs.
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I'd be very surprised about that. I can only think of 2 different plug
standards. What's your source ?

Graham
 
In article <slrnf89ido.hf3.gsm@cable.mendelson.com>,
Geoffrey S. Mendelson <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

I'd like to see some supporting data for that litle outburst.

As late as the 1960's London had FOUR different electrical systems with
different voltages and plugs.
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Are you sure about that? There were several different socket outlets still
in use - 3, 5 and 15 amp all in either two or three pin. As well as some
odd types as an alternative to the common 13 amp plug - notably D&S and
Walsall gauge, sometimes used in council housing estates. But I think the
voltage was standardised some time before then.

As late as 1989 I bought a clock radio
in London that did not have a plug on it. You had to buy one that
matched your outlets.
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Yes the requirement for a fitted 13 amp plug hasn't always been.

As lightbulbs were mostly the same size around the world a friend of
mine who traveled, carried an adapator that screwed into a lamp
socket and had a standard U.S. outlet instead of the bulb.
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Heh heh - in the UK the bayonet fitting is the common one for GS bulbs.

I have one that is like that but it has another lamp socket
on the top and two "euro" two pin outlets. I assume that they
are highly illegal in the U.K. now.
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Perhaps the majority of the sort of things you'd want to plug in to that
are now double insulated so require no earth.

--
*A dog's not just for Christmas, it's alright on a Friday night too*

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
 
meow2222@care2.com wrote:
Also there are 2 very similar types of 2 pin plug which sometimes
causes confusion. The modern EU ones cant fit a UK socket, the pins
are too fat and too closely spaced. Forcing doesnt work. There are
also historic French plugs that look similar and do fit our sockets
with a bit of fiddling, but very rarely does one see one of those used
over here. They have 4mm pins. I dont think I've seen one in over 20
years.
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The current EU standard is a 2 pin plug that looks like the one you have
not seen in 20 years. The grounded version is the same with a third
pin of the same diameter, but slightly longer between them but below.

The two "fat" round pins, were only used in some parts of Europe and
does not fit in the U.K. outlets.

According to an answer to a previous post, modern U.K. outlets have
shutters which are opened by inserting the ground pin. This is to
prevent the two round pin plugs going in on their own, albeit with
a little force.

I know the adaptors of which you spoke, I have several. They take a
two pin "euro" plug and clamp onto them. They have to be installed
with a screwdriver, so they are not for casual useage and won't
fall out halfway when pulled, like the simple two pin U.S. to "euro"
plug adaptors.

I recently bought a rice cooker made in the U.S. for export. It had
sat unused for years. It was 220 volt, but had a U.S. plug with one
of those simple adaptors on it. Since I consider the chance of it
staying together while I unplugged it near zero, as soon as I tested
it to make sure it worked, off came the plug and a three pin "euro"
plug went on it. The third pin is of no real use, the cord is only
two wire.

However, I've seen enough of them to know that I am in the very
small minority. Most people just use the adaptors and be done with
it. I assume the smarter but less handy ones tape them together.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/
 
Eeyore wrote:

I'd like to see some supporting data for that litle outburst.
Click to expand...
As late as the 1960's London had FOUR different electrical systems with
different voltages and plugs. As late as 1989 I bought a clock radio
in London that did not have a plug on it. You had to buy one that
matched your outlets.

As lightbulbs were mostly the same size around the world a friend of
mine who traveled, carried an adapator that screwed into a lamp
socket and had a standard U.S. outlet instead of the bulb.

I have one that is like that but it has another lamp socket
on the top and two "euro" two pin outlets. I assume that they
are highly illegal in the U.K. now.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/
 
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