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[Phil Allison]

"Dave M"

That's not true. an open rectifier does not allow DC current to flow
through the secondary. It's just 1/2 of the power line cycle. During the
opposite half of the cycle, no current flows in the secondary.

** So the average value is non zero and that means there is a DC component
to the current.

True, it's unidirectional current, but it's an intermittent current, not
constant DC.

** It will show a nice, steady reading on a DC current meter.

The interesting thing is how there is no corresponding DC component in the
primary current.


..... Phil

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Stormin Mormon wrote:

OK, that makes a bit of sense. Seems like a bit of bother
for what you can track down, with a VOM and some common
sense.

The 'Dimbulb tester' will show a transformer that is in saturation,
or one that has a shorted turn. Your VOM can't.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <90j6ugFluoU1@mid.individual.net>, Tony Miklos wrote:

Yes, the thread got too long. If you saw the photo, and know the
primary went open on 3 transformers, it sure looks like a problem on the
primary side. If the load was too much, those wires on the secondary
side would most likely have been at the very least discolored from the
heat.

This makes me think the most likely causes are:

* Improperly connecting the transformer (such as using only 1 of the 2
primaries of a 120/240V dual primary transformer)

* DC flowing through the secondary. That can occur if the tranny's load
has a fullwave rectifier with one diode open. If the fullwave
rectifier has discrete diodes or a dual diode, the problem may be a bad
solder joint at one of the diodes.

DC through the secondary is well known to be able to cause transformer
cores to saturate. That can lead to the primary drawing excessive
current.

* Less likely - there is a magnet on the transformer core. That
combined with the tranny's normal magnetic flux can cause core
saturation, similar to the effect of DC in a winding although this
usually only causes part of the core to saturate.

However, a magnet on the core appears to me "probably unlikely to be
an actual problem" unless the tranny is of marginal design, line voltage
is on the high side, or the magnet is especially powerful.

There is the matter of voltage spikes on the primary blowing the
insulation. However, I consider that unlikely if nothing else has been
blown while 3 transformers blew.

--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <9fOdnZZQwKACfjnQnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Dave M wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <90j6ugFluoU1@mid.individual.net>, Tony Miklos wrote:

Yes, the thread got too long. If you saw the photo, and know the
primary went open on 3 transformers, it sure looks like a problem on
the primary side. If the load was too much, those wires on the
secondary side would most likely have been at the very least
discolored from the heat.

This makes me think the most likely causes are:

* Improperly connecting the transformer (such as using only 1 of
the 2 primaries of a 120/240V dual primary transformer)

* DC flowing through the secondary. That can occur if the tranny's
load has a fullwave rectifier with one diode open. If the fullwave
rectifier has discrete diodes or a dual diode, the problem may be a
bad solder joint at one of the diodes.


That's not true. an open rectifier does not allow DC current to flow
through the secondary. It's just 1/2 of the power line cycle. During the
opposite half of the cycle, no current flows in the secondary. True, it's
unidirectional current, but it's an intermittent current, not constant DC.
If your statement were true, then half-wave rectifiers wouldn't be feasible.

A unidirectional pulsing waveform has a DC component.

That analyzes to a sum of DC, fundamental frequency AC, and AC at
harmonic frequencies. The average as averaged over a whole cycle is the
DC component.

It is fairly well known that a transformer driving a halfwave rectified
load can run into core saturation problems from the DC component in the
unidirectionally pulsing current waveform.

--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:40:02 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
wrote:

Yes, the thread got too long. If you saw the photo, and know the
primary went open on 3 transformers, it sure looks like a problem on the
primary side. If the load was too much, those wires on the secondary
side would most likely have been at the very least discolored from the
heat.

Tony

Yes, I looked at the pictures (rather poor resolution). The failure
looks like a connection issue because there is no evidence of windings
overheating. If the output was shorted the transformer would burn up -
assuming it could sink enough current, but it would be unlikely to flare
at one spot. This is a pretty standard 115VAC transformer, I've seen
many of them...

If someone tried to pump 5000 volts into the transformer then possibly
you could get an arc like that to the transformer frame, so that would
mean a serious miss-wiring of the furnace where the igniter somehow was
connected to the primary of the transformer and then turned on.

Hard to see that happening as the transformer powers the logic board
that would enable the igniter to fire up!

John :-#)#
And the FACT that the furnace in question uses a hot plate ignitor

further removes that scenario from any semplance of possibility

 

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:57:33 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

"Dave M"


That's not true. an open rectifier does not allow DC current to flow
through the secondary. It's just 1/2 of the power line cycle. During the
opposite half of the cycle, no current flows in the secondary.

** So the average value is non zero and that means there is a DC component
to the current.

True, it's unidirectional current, but it's an intermittent current, not
constant DC.

** It will show a nice, steady reading on a DC current meter.

The interesting thing is how there is no corresponding DC component in the
primary current.


.... Phil

Unless the half wave rectifier is on the PRIMARY side.
I don't see any evidence of that on any of the diagrams I saw, but is
there something else on this furnace circuit? By code there cannot be
- but we don't know know this to be the case - or what is on the
circuit if there is.

 

[Tony Hwang]

Phil Allison wrote:

"Dave M"


That's not true. an open rectifier does not allow DC current to flow
through the secondary. It's just 1/2 of the power line cycle. During the
opposite half of the cycle, no current flows in the secondary.

** So the average value is non zero and that means there is a DC component
to the current.

True, it's unidirectional current, but it's an intermittent current, not
constant DC.

** It will show a nice, steady reading on a DC current meter.

The interesting thing is how there is no corresponding DC component in the
primary current.


.... Phil

Hi,
Lots of ripple. If it were on audio circuit, lots of hum!!!!

 

[Mark]

To the OP...
another long shot..

it looks like the primary of the transformer is wired in series with
the door safety switch. Is it possible that the door safety switch
is loose and arcing. This could cause a high voltage to appear at the
transformer and cause the insulation to fail...


Mark

 

[Don Klipstein]

In <rj1aq6lpg08u5m3l8tqn1q3j8vjtiun6be@4ax.com>, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

On 13 Apr 2011 09:57:33 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"Dave M"

That's not true. an open rectifier does not allow DC current to flow
through the secondary. It's just 1/2 of the power line cycle. During the
opposite half of the cycle, no current flows in the secondary.

** So the average value is non zero and that means there is a DC component
to the current.

True, it's unidirectional current, but it's an intermittent current, not
constant DC.

** It will show a nice, steady reading on a DC current meter.

The interesting thing is how there is no corresponding DC component in the
primary current.

.... Phil

Unless the half wave rectifier is on the PRIMARY side.

There won't be a rectifier feeding the primary of a transformer with DC.
A transformer does not pass DC from one winding to another the way it does
with AC.

Changing AC that transformers work with to DC that electronics work with
has to occur downstream of the transformer.

I don't see any evidence of that on any of the diagrams I saw, but is
there something else on this furnace circuit? By code there cannot be
- but we don't know know this to be the case - or what is on the
circuit if there is.

I have yet to look at these diagrams, but is the circuit board
powered by this tranny shown to "board level" as opposed to "component
level"? If so, then the board can have, probably does have, a rectifier
not shown in the diagram.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[David Nebenzahl]

On 4/12/2011 9:23 PM Don Klipstein spake thus:

I have yet to look at these diagrams, but is the circuit board
powered by this tranny shown to "board level" as opposed to "component
level"? If so, then the board can have, probably does have, a rectifier
not shown in the diagram.

With all the pontificating you've been doing here, Don, I would've
thought you'd at least had glanced at the wiring diagrams the OP posted,
way up there somewhere. Sheesh.

The controller is shown as a block. It most certainly has at least one
rectifier on it, as it contains electronics that no doubt requires DC
power to operate. Thought you'd have figured it out. (Not just a relay
board.)


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[trader4@optonline.net]

On Apr 12, 8:49 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:

In article <9fOdnZZQwKACfjnQnZ2dnUVZ_rmdn...@giganews.com>, Dave M wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <90j6ugFlu...@mid.individual.net>, Tony Miklos wrote:

Yes, the thread got too long.  If you saw the photo, and know the
primary went open on 3 transformers, it sure looks like a problem on
the primary side.  If the load was too much, those wires on the
secondary side would most likely have been at the very least
discolored from the heat.

 This makes me think the most likely causes are:

*   Improperly connecting the transformer (such as using only 1 of
 the 2 primaries of a 120/240V dual primary transformer)

*   DC flowing through the secondary.  That can occur if the tranny's
 load has a fullwave rectifier with one diode open.  If the fullwave
 rectifier has discrete diodes or a dual diode, the problem may be a
 bad solder joint at one of the diodes.

That's not true.  an open rectifier does not allow DC current to flow
through the secondary.  It's just 1/2 of the power line cycle.  During the
opposite half of the cycle, no current flows in the secondary.  True, it's
unidirectional current, but it's an intermittent current, not constant DC.
If your statement were true, then half-wave rectifiers wouldn't be feasible.

  A unidirectional pulsing waveform has a DC component.

  That analyzes to a sum of DC, fundamental frequency AC, and AC at
harmonic frequencies.  The average as averaged over a whole cycle is the
DC component.

  It is fairly well known that a transformer driving a halfwave rectified
load can run into core saturation problems from the DC component in the
unidirectionally pulsing current waveform.

--
 - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Interesting theory. One helpful piece of info which it's quite
amazing we
still don't have is what the currents are on both sides of the
transformer.
For saturation to occur I would think the transformer would have to
be close
to fully loaded. Which it could be, given the trends to lower cost,
cheaper
components, etc.

 

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 04:23:08 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

In <rj1aq6lpg08u5m3l8tqn1q3j8vjtiun6be@4ax.com>, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
On 13 Apr 2011 09:57:33 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"Dave M"

That's not true. an open rectifier does not allow DC current to flow
through the secondary. It's just 1/2 of the power line cycle. During the
opposite half of the cycle, no current flows in the secondary.

** So the average value is non zero and that means there is a DC component
to the current.

True, it's unidirectional current, but it's an intermittent current, not
constant DC.

** It will show a nice, steady reading on a DC current meter.

The interesting thing is how there is no corresponding DC component in the
primary current.

.... Phil

Unless the half wave rectifier is on the PRIMARY side.

There won't be a rectifier feeding the primary of a transformer with DC.
A transformer does not pass DC from one winding to another the way it does
with AC.

I fully understand that, byt what happens if, say, the Mrs plugs her
cheap blow drier into the same circuit as the primary of the
transformer is plugged in to, and she puts the blow drier on low (it
uses a half wave rectifier to drop the power to the heater) - and you
end up with a DC component on the primary - which saturates the
primary without any increase in secondary (load) current or power.

Changing AC that transformers work with to DC that electronics work with
has to occur downstream of the transformer.

I am very aware of that.
I don't see any evidence of that on any of the diagrams I saw, but is
there something else on this furnace circuit? By code there cannot be
- but we don't know know this to be the case - or what is on the
circuit if there is.

I have yet to look at these diagrams, but is the circuit board
powered by this tranny shown to "board level" as opposed to "component
level"? If so, then the board can have, probably does have, a rectifier
not shown in the diagram.

Again, fully aware that the circuit board WILL have a rectifier which
is not shown on the diagram, and better than 95% chance it is full
wave bridge rectifier. There are precious few solid state control
devices that run on AC.

 

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 04:22:15 -0700 (PDT), "trader4@optonline.net"
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Apr 12, 8:49 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
In article <9fOdnZZQwKACfjnQnZ2dnUVZ_rmdn...@giganews.com>, Dave M wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <90j6ugFlu...@mid.individual.net>, Tony Miklos wrote:

Yes, the thread got too long.  If you saw the photo, and know the
primary went open on 3 transformers, it sure looks like a problem on
the primary side.  If the load was too much, those wires on the
secondary side would most likely have been at the very least
discolored from the heat.

 This makes me think the most likely causes are:

*   Improperly connecting the transformer (such as using only 1 of
 the 2 primaries of a 120/240V dual primary transformer)

*   DC flowing through the secondary.  That can occur if the tranny's
 load has a fullwave rectifier with one diode open.  If the fullwave
 rectifier has discrete diodes or a dual diode, the problem may be a
 bad solder joint at one of the diodes.

That's not true.  an open rectifier does not allow DC current to flow
through the secondary.  It's just 1/2 of the power line cycle.  During the
opposite half of the cycle, no current flows in the secondary.  True, it's
unidirectional current, but it's an intermittent current, not constant DC.
If your statement were true, then half-wave rectifiers wouldn't be feasible.

  A unidirectional pulsing waveform has a DC component.

  That analyzes to a sum of DC, fundamental frequency AC, and AC at
harmonic frequencies.  The average as averaged over a whole cycle is the
DC component.

  It is fairly well known that a transformer driving a halfwave rectified
load can run into core saturation problems from the DC component in the
unidirectionally pulsing current waveform.

--
 - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Interesting theory. One helpful piece of info which it's quite
amazing we
still don't have is what the currents are on both sides of the
transformer.
For saturation to occur I would think the transformer would have to
be close
to fully loaded. Which it could be, given the trends to lower cost,
cheaper
components, etc.

As I posted in an earlier post (not sure what values I used, but I'll
run a scenario anyway), assuming a 2 ohm winding, a 2 volt DC
component will cause 1 AMP of current to flow in the winding. IF that
coil happens to be the primary of a 40va transformer, The full load
current on that transformer is about 350ma, so the probability that 1
amp of current in the primary, with no AC voltage applied, would have
more than saturated the core is pretty good.
Add the quiescent current of the primary, and you have a saturated
core. And that's just a 2 volt DC component on a 115 volt primary.

If the primary is 4 ohms instead of 2, you have half an amp with 2
volts, or 1 amp with 4 volts.

Doesn't take much to put 2 volts DC across a 115 volt line.

See http://sound.westhost.com/articles/xfmr-dc.htm for more
information from someone who may have a bit more credibility than you
guys may give me.

 

[Stormin Mormon]

So, it's cheaper to put a half wave rectifier in, instead of
a second coil of heater wire? I rather doubt that.

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<clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
news:h36cq692alhsro2jutb6ovlnnpqth2e767@4ax.com...

what happens if, say, the Mrs plugs her
cheap blow drier into the same circuit as the primary of the
transformer is plugged in to, and she puts the blow drier on
low (it
uses a half wave rectifier to drop the power to the
heater) - and you
end up with a DC component on the primary - which saturates
the
primary without any increase in secondary (load) current or
power.

 

[Phil Allison]

<clare@snyder.on.ca>

As I posted in an earlier post (not sure what values I used, but I'll
run a scenario anyway), assuming a 2 ohm winding, a 2 volt DC
component will cause 1 AMP of current to flow in the winding. IF that
coil happens to be the primary of a 40va transformer,

** A 40VA tranny designed for 120 volt 60 Hz operation has a primary
resistance of 16 ohms.

Getting a 2 volt DC offset on a 120 volt AC supply takes some doing.

Doesn't take much to put 2 volts DC across a 115 volt line.

** Like hell.

For a 2 volt DC offset to exist, the peak voltage in one polarity must be
6.3 volts higher than the other.

With a typical impedance at the outlet of 0.25ohms, this equates to 25 amps
peak load in one polarity and none in the other.

See http://sound.westhost.com/articles/xfmr-dc.htm for more
information from someone who may have a bit more credibility than you
guys may give me.

** I helped Rod write that article.

Toroidal trannys are very sensitive to DC offsets while regular E-core types
are hardly bothered by them - the difference is that while the former has
no air gaps in the core, the latter is full of them.


..... Phil

 

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:22:37 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

So, it's cheaper to put a half wave rectifier in, instead of
a second coil of heater wire? I rather doubt that.

I don't remember the details, but I know quite a few DO work that way
- and they also used 12 volt DC blower motors, without a transformer,
by basically using the heater element as a rheostat..

 

[Phil Allison]

<clare@snyder.on.ca>
"Stormin Mormon"

So, it's cheaper to put a half wave rectifier in, instead of
a second coil of heater wire? I rather doubt that.

I don't remember the details, but I know quite a few DO work that way
- and they also used 12 volt DC blower motors, without a transformer,
by basically using the heater element as a rheostat..

** My 1600 watt "Black & Decker" hot air gun is made exactly like that.



..... Phil

 

[John Robertson]

Steve Turner wrote:

On 4/9/2011 7:29 PM, Jim Yanik wrote:
"robb"<some@where.on.net> wrote in
news:WfKdnQOvu_d2bz3QnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@earthlink.com:

"Steve Turner" wrote in message news:inoakf$qin$1@dont-email.me...

A continuation of the "Why does the 115V->24V transformer keep
blowing on my Trane XB80?" discussion I started on 04/02/2011.

Yep, My A/C unit blew another transformer. Pictures (and wiring
diagram) here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/sets/72157626457562742/

Trane's manual for the unit is here (for perhaps better viewing of
the wiring diagrams that I also copied to my above flickr site as
jpg images):



http://www.trane.com/webcache/un/furnaces%20%28furn%29/product/22-1666-
07_04012009.pdf

As you can probably see in the pictures, there is visible charring
of the 115V leads going into the transformer, and of course the 115V
circuit is open (again). If you didn't see my first thread, this is
the third transformer the unit has blown. In the previous
discussion, it was discussed that perhaps the first one just blew
because of old age (6 years), and the second blew because it wasn't
a proper replacement (poor quality, made in China, etc.). This
third unit is most certainly a proper replacement, and it's most
certainly indicative of a real problem I have somewhere else in the
unit. I didn't see any such charring on the previous two units, at
least not like this.

I never got a real chance to test out the system after installing
this third transformer. We had cool weather for several days, and I
never tried to force the system to come on so I could monitor it;
that was probably a mistake. Unfortunately, I was also absent from
the premises during the extended times when the unit was most likely
operational, so that didn't help either. However, my family tells me
that it WAS working and cooling the house rather nicely, for at
least a day, perhaps two. I'm getting 115V in all the right places,
so it doesn't look like an over-voltage condition to me. Perhaps
it's an overheating condition? It looks to me like the only real
load on this circuit is the blower motor; could the motor be causing
this? The blower spins freely when I turn it by hand. Start
capacitor on the motor maybe? Relay on the control board perhaps?

a bad start cap would not affect the 24v control transformer,that just
powers the controller board and relays.
either something is loading the transformer or a problem with input
voltage.


Just a thought,

When you put the new transformer in does the "Diagnostic Light" LED
turn on ?
Does the LED blink or flash in one of the patterns indicated in the
"diagnostic codes" section that you posted a link to ?

The "diagnostic codes" imply that the control board can detect
several of the problems mentioned by others.
Maybe a good starting point as there is not enough time to test with
test equipment.

robb



a line voltage monitor may be needed to see if there's some short-term
overvoltage applied to the transformer,and a oscilloscope may
determine if
the input waveform is sinusoidal or otherwise,because 60hz iron core
tranformers don't like extreme distortion on their input,it gets
converted
to heat,not output voltage. a DMM will not show line distortion or short
term overvoltages.
are the wires burned close to the transformer,or over their entire
length?

I peeled the insulation back from the hot and neutral wires and the
burning only occurred right at the terminals, no more than 1/4" into the
wiring.

Steve,

Not to be rude or anything, but a LOT of talk has gone on about your
problem and I have not seen any further posts from you on the matter. No
comments about any suggestions at all.

I'm not going to spend any more time on this thread until we hear back
from the original poster with more information otherwise we are simply
blowing smoke (sorry - couldn't resist).

John :-#)#

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[Steve Turner]

On 4/13/2011 10:51 PM, John Robertson wrote:

Steve Turner wrote:
On 4/9/2011 7:29 PM, Jim Yanik wrote:
"robb"<some@where.on.net> wrote in
news:WfKdnQOvu_d2bz3QnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@earthlink.com:

"Steve Turner" wrote in message news:inoakf$qin$1@dont-email.me...

A continuation of the "Why does the 115V->24V transformer keep
blowing on my Trane XB80?" discussion I started on 04/02/2011.

Yep, My A/C unit blew another transformer. Pictures (and wiring
diagram) here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/sets/72157626457562742/

Trane's manual for the unit is here (for perhaps better viewing of
the wiring diagrams that I also copied to my above flickr site as
jpg images):



http://www.trane.com/webcache/un/furnaces%20%28furn%29/product/22-1666-
07_04012009.pdf

As you can probably see in the pictures, there is visible charring
of the 115V leads going into the transformer, and of course the 115V
circuit is open (again). If you didn't see my first thread, this is
the third transformer the unit has blown. In the previous
discussion, it was discussed that perhaps the first one just blew
because of old age (6 years), and the second blew because it wasn't
a proper replacement (poor quality, made in China, etc.). This
third unit is most certainly a proper replacement, and it's most
certainly indicative of a real problem I have somewhere else in the
unit. I didn't see any such charring on the previous two units, at
least not like this.

I never got a real chance to test out the system after installing
this third transformer. We had cool weather for several days, and I
never tried to force the system to come on so I could monitor it;
that was probably a mistake. Unfortunately, I was also absent from
the premises during the extended times when the unit was most likely
operational, so that didn't help either. However, my family tells me
that it WAS working and cooling the house rather nicely, for at
least a day, perhaps two. I'm getting 115V in all the right places,
so it doesn't look like an over-voltage condition to me. Perhaps
it's an overheating condition? It looks to me like the only real
load on this circuit is the blower motor; could the motor be causing
this? The blower spins freely when I turn it by hand. Start
capacitor on the motor maybe? Relay on the control board perhaps?

a bad start cap would not affect the 24v control transformer,that just
powers the controller board and relays.
either something is loading the transformer or a problem with input
voltage.


Just a thought,

When you put the new transformer in does the "Diagnostic Light" LED
turn on ?
Does the LED blink or flash in one of the patterns indicated in the
"diagnostic codes" section that you posted a link to ?

The "diagnostic codes" imply that the control board can detect
several of the problems mentioned by others.
Maybe a good starting point as there is not enough time to test with
test equipment.

robb



a line voltage monitor may be needed to see if there's some short-term
overvoltage applied to the transformer,and a oscilloscope may determine if
the input waveform is sinusoidal or otherwise,because 60hz iron core
tranformers don't like extreme distortion on their input,it gets converted
to heat,not output voltage. a DMM will not show line distortion or short
term overvoltages.
are the wires burned close to the transformer,or over their entire length?

I peeled the insulation back from the hot and neutral wires and the burning
only occurred right at the terminals, no more than 1/4" into the wiring.


Steve,

Not to be rude or anything, but a LOT of talk has gone on about your problem
and I have not seen any further posts from you on the matter. No comments about
any suggestions at all.

I'm not going to spend any more time on this thread until we hear back from the
original poster with more information otherwise we are simply blowing smoke
(sorry - couldn't resist).

John :-#)#

Just mentioned elsewhere that I have a new transformer on order and I can't
really do anything until that arrives. Rest assured I appreciate all the input
and I'm taking it all into consideration. Thanks.

 

[Vic Smith]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 23:32:56 -0500, Steve Turner
<bbqboyee@swtacobell.net.invalid> wrote:

Just mentioned elsewhere that I have a new transformer on order and I can't
really do anything until that arrives. Rest assured I appreciate all the input
and I'm taking it all into consideration. Thanks.

You bought the fuses, right?
I DON'T want to hear about another blown transformer.

--Vic