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[Paul Burridge]

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:08:36 GMT, davidanderson@columbia.edu wrote:

Osama Bin Ladin was found hanged by two CNN journalists early Wedensday evening.
As evidence they took several photos, some of which i have included

here. As yet, this information has not hit the headlines due to Bush
wanting confirmation of his identity but the journalists have released
some early photos over the internet..

Just remember, folks, you read it here on Usenet first...

--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

 

[Don Lancaster]

Tony Bryer wrote:

In article <364fd697.0407210748.7bc0400f@posting.google.com>, David
Harper wrote:
No surprises for a century? I think you're missing the forest for the
trees.

My father was born just before the Wright brothers first flight and
lived through 15 years of Concorde (RIP) flight. In my 51 years I don't
see changes of this significance - with apologies to Boeing engineers a
777 is not that different to a Comet. What has changed is that things
that were the experience of a handful of people when I was a child are
now normal: owning a car, TV or any number of other appliances, full
house central heating, overseas holidays etc etc. You can be poor - as
defined by UK statisticians - and have a (material) standard of living
that most people could only dream of when I was a child.

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.superbeam.com

Huh?
The web alone.
Not to mention memory under microcents per bit are two of the most
significant developments of all time.
--
Many thanks,

Don Lancaster
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
voice: (928)428-4073 email: don@tinaja.com

Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

 

[Fred B. McGalliard]

"David Harper" <dave.harper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:364fd697.0407211552.dee5498@posting.google.com...
....

First off, your statements relate more to political, social, and
funding ... How does this affect possibly using hydrogen for fuel
in the future?
....
Sure, there are dissapointments in technological breakthroughs. My
point is that there are also surprises. I don't see anything in your
post that affects the original hydrogen-for-fuel discussion.

The problem is that in some cases what seems simple is impossible. Example.
Fusion is simple. Stable controlled fusion in a room sized unit, appears to
be unprofitable. I can make fusion events with a high voltage source and a
small vacuum tube. But I cannot make net power. The things you are
overlooking, politics, social structure, funding, the economics of it, are
the real drivers. So I could today build a hydrogen economy. The cars would
be rather clunky and perform poorly, they might cost 10 times what a car now
costs, and cost 3-4 times as much to make run a mile. They may be more
dangerous on the road. What alternatives do we have? If we have none, then
we might still make it work. And you are right that some of these processes
can be improved. But some cannot. The purpose of my response was to point
out that you need more flexibility in your solution. Using hydrogen to make
fuel oil may turn out to be much more cost effective than trying to use the
fuel directly. Constructing our cities so we get to work by electric trolley
would save a lot of energy. Long term research to find "new" ways to store
hydrogen that might make a practical car is likely to be wasted cash. You
are betting on the long shot. Not a bad idea to put something on it, but not
to plan your future assuming that you hit.

 

[David Harper]

Dan Bloomquist <EXTRApublic20@lakeweb.com> wrote in message news:<40FF3FEE.1090502@lakeweb.com>...

Please look at the above and make a distinction between 'the physics'
and 'developing the technology'.

That was the main point of my entire response. One of the first
things I said was:

But that's beside the point. Agreed: the physics of using hydrogen is
understood. It's just a matter of what technological advances "could"
happen to make it a reality (such as nanotech or whatever).

Was that unclear?

Then go back and read the thread. You
will see I have continually made the distinction between 'the physics'
and 'developing the technology'. Then look at where I started, "Hydrogen
as a 'fuel' has serious physical limitation." Technological innovation
does not defeat physical limitations.

And the only "physical limitation" you cited was that it was not an
energy "source", but a "currency". I agreed with this in a later
post, when I understood exactly what you meant. Using it as a
currency eliminates the physical limitation you cited. This became a
non-issue.

When I traced back, the drive behind most of my comments originated
from your following statement:

You know as well as I do that the first non fossil source of hydrogen
would have to come from a nuclear driven thermochemical processes.

This statement assumes technological progress in other fields (i.e.
nanotech) won't become viable options first. That's when I questioned
your ability to foresee the future of technological innovation.

Perhaps our entire clash boils down to the fact that I'm more of an
optimist in terms of technological advances.

My comment: 'In 1950 the physics of going to the moon was well
understood.', stands. At that time they knew they would have to evolve
the technology, and to what extent, because the physics was well understood.

"The U.S. rocket program hit a wall in the late 1940's due to a lack
of understanding of supersonic physics."

http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~js/space/lectures/lec05.html

....(enter stage left) the X-15 program: to better understand
supersonic physics and figure out what was (and was not) possible.
But this is really a side point to our original discussion.

You can say the orbital mechanics was well understood. However, you
can't get to the moon with orbital mechanics alone. Other areas, such
as fluid mechanics, were also needed to get to the moon...and, as
mentioned before, the fluid dynamics of hypersonic flow was *NOT* well
understood. Two other major areas within the realm of physics that
had to be better understood to get to the moon include
super/hypersonic heat transfer (both in the engines and on re-entry
surfaces, also aided by the X-15 program) and solar physics/radiation
outside the Van Allen belts. There's plenty of others areas I'm sure
I'm forgetting or not aware of.

Dave

 

[Fred B. McGalliard]

"David Harper" <dave.harper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:364fd697.0407211852.789934de@posting.google.com...
....

In 1950 the physics of going to the moon was well understood. It was
only a matter of spending money to do it.

No, it wasn't. For instance, engineers had no idea

Interesting dichotomy. Physics is understood, but the engineering is not
there yet. In this case, the physics is a couple of simple equations of
motion. The engineering is a million little physics problems, some of which
are not solvable, but enough of which could be worked around to actually go
to the moon. The idea that understanding the equations of flying to the
moon, if you can build the space craft, if you can reenter, is all the
understanding needed for the problem is simply mistaken. The whole real
physical problem of going was so complex that there was a lot of uncertainty
on those first launches.

 

[Fred B. McGalliard]

"Dan Bloomquist" <EXTRApublic20@lakeweb.com> wrote in message
news:40FF3FEE.1090502@lakeweb.com...
....

My comment: 'In 1950 the physics of going to the moon was well
understood.', stands. At that time they knew they would have to evolve
the technology, and to what extent, because the physics was well
understood.

Dan. Suppose that black powder were still the only fuel available. As you
know, you cannot get to the moon even on a mountain of black powder. You
would then have this wonderful physics to get to the moon, understand the
orbital mechanics in detail, but not be able to get there. The real physics
of going to the moon includes such disparate issues as making a reliable
engine. Finding a fuel that we can afford, that we can store (monatomic
hydrogen would make a great fuel), that will give us the performance we
need.

 

[Tony Bryer]

In article <40FFCDB7.33F8C295@tinaja.com>, Don Lancaster wrote:

The web alone.
Not to mention memory under microcents per bit are two of the most
significant developments of all time.

Yes, but that was my point. These things (in one form or another) were
known when I was born. What has happened in my lifetime is them
becoming universal.

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.superbeam.com

 

[petrolcan]

the cont known as Bekki Wilkins says...

This is just totally sick. Posts like this should not be allowed!

What, like all the stuff you reposted? You really are a stupid bitch.

--
Michael
r1.1rs|cb.35sg|mk2 16v|
'fot#125|twa#5|flo#10|cosoc#1|

 

[Mark (UK)]

......mmmmm, yes.

Probably did it because someone overcharged him for shipping on a Nuke
he baught off eBay.

Yours, Mark.

Paul Burridge wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:08:36 GMT, davidanderson@columbia.edu wrote:


Osama Bin Ladin was found hanged by two CNN journalists early Wedensday evening.

As evidence they took several photos, some of which i have included
here. As yet, this information has not hit the headlines due to Bush
wanting confirmation of his identity but the journalists have released
some early photos over the internet..

Just remember, folks, you read it here on Usenet first...

 

[DaveC]

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:19:59 -0700, Paul Burridge wrote
(in article <7nfvf09stfd6ar1tjr3qru8jbg58lq7jp4@4ax.com&gt:

Osama Bin Ladin was found hanged by two CNN journalists early Wedensday
evening.

As evidence they took several photos, some of which i have included
here.

Where?

As yet, this information has not hit the headlines due to Bush
wanting confirmation of his identity but the journalists have released
some early photos over the internet..

CNN's pretty mute on this "news". URL?
--
Please, no Google links. I wouldn't ask a
question here if I hadn't done that already.

DaveC
me@privacy.net
This is an invalid return address
Please reply in the news group

 

[Rene Tschaggelar]

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote (in <ghOLc.47010$y04.38530@fe2.news.b
lueyonder.co.uk&gt about 'Osama Found Hanged', on Thu, 22 Jul 2004:

Are the two journalists that hanged Bin Ladin going to get a reward?


Isn't the original message an invitation to a virus-ridden site?

Very likely. Never heard of images thoght for display being
zipped for the internet.

Rene
--
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net

 

[Sporkman]

DaveC wrote:

CNN's pretty mute on this "news". URL?
--
Please, no Google links. I wouldn't ask a
question here if I hadn't done that already.

You really don't want to go there. This is undoubtedly a trick to get
people to open an executable file nested in the ZIP file, and I'll give
you three guesses as to what is most likely to be in the executable file
(hint: it's not pictures).

'Sporky'

 

[David Harper]

Tony Bryer <tonyb@delme.sda.co.uk> wrote in message news:<VA.00002aad.003a5440@delme.sda.co.uk>...

In article <364fd697.0407210748.7bc0400f@posting.google.com>, David
Harper wrote:
No surprises for a century? I think you're missing the forest for the
trees.

My father was born just before the Wright brothers first flight and
lived through 15 years of Concorde (RIP) flight. In my 51 years I don't
see changes of this significance
(SNIP)

If you're 51 years old, then when you were born, the highest and
fastest a human had ever gone was about 15 miles up and about Mach 2.5
(about 800 meters/sec).

Now we have a spacecraft swinging around Saturn, probes outside the
solar system (over 12.5 *BILLION* miles away), people that have swung
around the moon and returned at over 11.1 km per second, spacecraft
that have exceed 68 km/s, and thousands of satellites in every orbital
plane you can imagine. And that's just advances in aerospace. You
don't think that's significant?

Also consider the advances made with the advent of computers,
medicine, etc.

Dave

 

[Sporkman]

http://www.thetoque.net/040302/osama_found.htm

samanthagreen@harvard.edu wrote:

Osama Bin Ladin was found hanged by two CNN journalists early Wedensday evening. As evidence they took several photos, some of which i have included here. As yet, this information has not hit the headlines due to Bush wanting confirmation of his identity but the journalists have released some early photos over the internet..
http://www.theparadise.x-y.net/OsamaFoundDead.zip

 

[Thiophilus]

On 22 Jul 2004 11:49:47 -0700, dave.harper@gmail.com (David Harper)
wrote:

Tony Bryer <tonyb@delme.sda.co.uk> wrote in message news:<VA.00002aad.003a5440@delme.sda.co.uk>...
In article <364fd697.0407210748.7bc0400f@posting.google.com>, David
Harper wrote:
No surprises for a century? I think you're missing the forest for the
trees.

My father was born just before the Wright brothers first flight and
lived through 15 years of Concorde (RIP) flight. In my 51 years I don't
see changes of this significance
(SNIP)

If you're 51 years old, then when you were born, the highest and
fastest a human had ever gone was about 15 miles up and about Mach 2.5
(about 800 meters/sec).

Now we have a spacecraft swinging around Saturn, probes outside the
solar system (over 12.5 *BILLION* miles away), people that have swung
around the moon and returned at over 11.1 km per second, spacecraft
that have exceed 68 km/s, and thousands of satellites in every orbital
plane you can imagine. And that's just advances in aerospace. You
don't think that's significant?

Also consider the advances made with the advent of computers,
medicine, etc.

Fifty years ago daily life was much as it was today -- they had cars,
radio, TV, electric fridges, airplanes, comic books, and so on.

One hundred years ago it was much different. No radio or TV, no
airplanes (not even the Wright bros had an operable one then),
virtually no cars. No comic books. Maybe ice boxes instead of fridges.

That's not to say that there hasn't been tremendous advances in
science and engineering in the last 50 years. Obviously there has
been, and it's unprecedented. But daily life has not changed that much
in the last half-century compared to a whole century ago.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mjolinor <mjolinor@hotmail.com>
wrote (in <rnVLc.26$A8.24@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net&gt about 'Osama Found
Hanged 272', on Thu, 22 Jul 2004:

It's bound to be Britney with no clothes on, they all are because that's
what most of them say they are.

I would have thought that even CNN reporters could tell the difference
between Britney Spears and Osama bin Laden.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Mjolinor]

"Sporkman" <sporkedUNDERLINEagainMUNGE@bigfootDOT.com> wrote in message
news:41000BF7.D120@bigfootDOT.com...

DaveC wrote:
CNN's pretty mute on this "news". URL?
--
Please, no Google links. I wouldn't ask a
question here if I hadn't done that already.

You really don't want to go there. This is undoubtedly a trick to get
people to open an executable file nested in the ZIP file, and I'll give
you three guesses as to what is most likely to be in the executable file
(hint: it's not pictures).

It's bound to be Britney with no clothes on, they all are because that's
what most of them say they are.

 

[www.ChantCD.com]

Nice rumour you're starting there... people might actually believe you.

Matthew

"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ghOLc.47010$y04.38530@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

PeterReid@columbia.edu wrote:
Osama Bin Ladin was found hanged by two CNN journalists early
Wedensday evening.

Are the two journalists that hanged Bin Ladin going to get a reward?

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

 

[Harry Conover]

"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message news:<ghOLc.47010$y04.38530@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>...

PeterReid@columbia.edu wrote:
Osama Bin Ladin was found hanged by two CNN journalists early
Wedensday evening.

Are the two journalists that hanged Bin Ladin going to get a reward?

One would hope so, but realize that today we live in a very bizarre
world here political correctness frequently trumps justice delivered!

Harry C.

 

[David Harper]

"Fred B. McGalliard" <frederick.b.mcgalliard@boeing.com> wrote in message news:<I19DIs.44r@news.boeing.com>...

"David Harper" <dave.harper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:364fd697.0407211852.789934de@posting.google.com...
...
In 1950 the physics of going to the moon was well understood. It was
only a matter of spending money to do it.

No, it wasn't. For instance, engineers had no idea

Interesting dichotomy. Physics is understood, but the engineering is not
there yet. In this case, the physics is a couple of simple equations of
motion.

In terms of orbital mechanics? Yes. Although, I wouldn't call them
too simple. They're pretty complex differential equations.

In terms of heat transfer, fluid mechanics, etc? Not so much. Alot
of research to better understand these areas was conducted to actually
figure out what was going on before we attempted spaceflight, much
less a trip to the moon.

The engineering is a million little physics problems, some of which
are not solvable, but enough of which could be worked around to actually go
to the moon.

Interesting you say that. Alot of formulas used in fluid dynamics and
heat transfer are emperical, and not based on derivation alone. Two
days ago I had to review a CFD drag analysis by Boeing that took
something like 1000+ CPU hours (I believe they have several CPUs
working in parallel though), and alot of those emperical equations can
still be found in their software.

The idea that understanding the equations of flying to the
moon, if you can build the space craft, if you can reenter, is all the
understanding needed for the problem is simply mistaken. The whole real
physical problem of going was so complex that there was a lot of uncertainty
on those first launches.

Less uncertainty than there could have been, thanks to planes like the
X-15, X-2, etc...

Dave