Toshiba TV29C90 problem; Image fades to black...

[kip]

No Tom...
Here is a quick breakdown..

Service Call Local $39.95
Labour $40.00
RCA-F $2.65
PST and GST $12.39

Total $95.00
Now if thats a 32 rca isnt that better than replacing the tv.

Now if thats out of town costs goes up.

john

"Tom MacIntyre" <tom__macintyre@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:49:23 -0500, "kip" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

I do 2 a month on average in the home and it costs
about 95.00cdn and nobody has complained yet.
RCA being the most common broken one,s
kip.

Has to be mostly large screens, then, I'd think, John. I don't
remember getting anythin remotely close to that when I was in this
business.

Tom

 

[tempus fugit]

Thanks again for your reply.

I'll have to pop the chassis again to see about the power transformer thing.
It is possible that the xformer I saw (there is 1 outside the chassis) is an
output and not a power xformer. I don't remember if there was one inside the
chassis or not. Bear in mind that I just took a quick look at the thing,
checked the caps real quick (as I suspected them to be the problem) and put
it back together. There is no PC board, just flying wires everywhere, which
I didnt trace any of. I'll take a closer look to see exactly what is
connected where and post back here with the results.


"CJT" <abujlehc@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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tempus fugit wrote:

We're talking about a capacitor between the chassis and one side
of the line, right?


I havent reopened the chassis, but it seems to be connected between the
ground of the speaker and the chassis.

OK, that's something totally different.



something is shorted somehwere else. Oh, and I checked the voltage

between

the record player chassis and the scope chassis - 120VAC

Reversing the plug in the wall socket should change that (but don't
count on it).


Reversing the plug did correct that. Is this a design shortcoming (if
so,
there's gotta be a safer way to set that up) or should I be looking for
a
fault somewhere?


That's normal for a "hot chassis" device. But such a device won't have
a power transformer, and I thought you said this one did. Could you be
confusing an output transformer with a power transformer?

If you are (and I suspect you are) then you are such a newbie that you
had better stop now and enlist the help of somebody who knows what
they're doing before you kill yourself. No kidding. I don't want to
have anything more to do with this pursuit.

tempus may fugit, but not for the dead



You really need to be careful with this device. I can't stress that
enough. Death is not to be trifled with.


I am being very careful, not to worry, but I appreciate your concern and
helpful advice (including those on personal safety).

Thanks again


Thanks


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CJT wrote:



tempus fugit wrote:



Tried the turining around the plug trick, but it made no difference.
I
also
disconnected the phono plug that connects the tone arm to the amp

unit,

which also made no difference.

Here is something curious though. I accidentally touched my scope
while my
hand was on the record player chassis and got a fairly good shock.
The
scope
has a 3 prong AC plug (the record player doesn't). I should've
measured the
voltage difference between the sope chassis and the record player
chassis,
but I didn't think to. I'll have to do that. Perhaps he chassis is
live. I
didn't think this would be the case though, since there is a cap
with

the


negative connected to the case, as well as a few other green wires.


That capacitor might be leaking or (worse) shorted. It can be a
lethal
failure (I read just this week about a minister in Waco who was
electrocuted during a baptism when he grabbed a microphone that was
"hot."). Be careful.


Here's a cite to that story:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/31/national/main995829.shtml



Thanks


"Asimov" <Asimov@-removethis-bbs.juxtaposition.dynip.com> wrote in
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"tempus fugit" bravely wrote to "All" (27 Oct 05 11:17:42)
--- on the heady topic of "unit hums loudly regardless of volume"

tf> From: "tempus fugit" <toccata@no.spam.ciaccess.com
tf> Xref: core-easynews sci.electronics.repair:346437

tf> Hey all;

tf> I'm trying to repair an old tube portable record player. When it

is


tf> on, it hums really loud, regardless of the volume.

Have you tried turning the ac plug around?

Which way the plug is inserted matters with these. Let the record
player warm up, then insert the plug one way or the other, and then
paint a mark for which was the quietest way. One way: lots of hum,
the
other: quiet hiss.

Those old tube units used to get B+ directly from the powerline (or
sometimes a voltage doubler) and used a large value resistor
bypassed
by a 0.01uF to RF ground the tone arm shielding to neutral. The
power
for the filaments often came from a secondary winding in the motor
coil. Don't use this type of record player near the bathtub. Lethal!

Another possibility is a broken wire at the cartridge.

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[David Corliss]

"When the PS fails on its own or due to surge damage, it is important to
check all of the components in the primary, particularly the poly caps. "

.... check for blown fuse(s) in the power supply section,due to voltage surge
or lightning strike. This event is quite probable and is simple to detect
and repair. .... If not familiar with safety procedures, always unplug the
power cord first.

Dave




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I keep seeing this recommendation for changing the VDRs. While there may
be some value in changing them due to damage in the metal oxide from
repeated conduction events, when the HOT fails and takes out the power
supply, the VDRs are not likely to be a problem. VDRs are protection or
dumping devices. If they check open with a DMM they are not likely to be a
problem in the PS. They can be tested for clamping voltage, though if they
are failing, they fail by leaking rather than not clamping at near the
rated voltage. A handy way to test them is with the h-pulse drive on a
sencore tester and a scope.

It is more important to use the correct parts, ie higher rank 2sc4834 and
to verify the duty cycle of these. I use P rank versions, that we get
very inexpensively from ACME Enterprises in Orlando and match them.
Virtually all units that fail this way are fixed completely with just the
HOT, Q601,Q602, R607, and resoldering the components in the base circuit.

When the PS fails on its own or due to surge damage, it is important to
check all of the components in the primary, particularly the poly caps.
Of course, the VDRs are suspect in these cases. When the PS fails due to
loading such as a shorted HOT it is rare to see problems other than the
parts listd above.

Also, the 2SC4927 can be replaced with several other transistors that will
run cooler and may be more reliable. We have had success with the 2SD1881
but others will work as well.

Leonard

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Typical failure: 2SC4927 shorted horizontal output, bad
connections @ the horizontal drive transformer, shorted
Q601, & 602 2SC4834 PWM switching regulators, open
.1 ohm fusible resistor R607, VDR 601 bad 1-807-288-11,
& "possibly" bad VDR 602, & 603, but these are usually ok.

Use Sony SP-Kit, & VDR 601. # 1-807-288-11, Sky.

 

[PWY]

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Mxsmanic wrote:

John Doe writes:


I think most people aren't interested because, like you, they are
frustrated with the current technology.


No, most people aren't interested because they aren't geeks, period.
They have lives outside of computers. They care no more about their
computers than they care about their telephones or toasters. They use
computers to accomplish some specific task, and then they are done.
Their are neither frustrated nor pleased by computers--they are
indifferent.


Given your frustration with the current technology.


I'm not frustrated with current technology. It all seems to work very
well.


Because it will provide access to disabled people and in the future
easier access to everyone.


Non-disabled people don't need easier access. Who should pay for
special accommodation of the disabled, and how much should they pay,
and which disabled people should get which proportion of the money?


There is great demand for it. The only problem is that people are
turned off by the current technology.


Nobody is clamoring for speech recognition. Most people don't use
computers that much and don't care. They are no more interested in
speech for their PC than they are in speech for their DVD players.


Microsoft has done many things at a net loss, like when trying to
steal market share.


Which things?


That's the norm. Microsoft could include high-quality speech if it
were truly interested in innovation. But it's not. You can blame it
on the fact that Microsoft must please its shareholders, nonetheless
it's true.


Microsoft already provides more accommodation of the disabled than any
other OS publisher. How much more do you want it to do?


But not within personal computing.


Within personal computing as well. But there are many types of
disabilities, and they all deserve consideration, in proportion to the
number of people afflicted with them. It's a question of balance.

For example, money spent to accommodate wheelchairs exceeds all other
expenditures on most other, more common disabilities combined, which
is a great example of enormous _imbalance_. I don't advocate that for
computers or for anything else.


I agree with that principle. But Microsoft trumpets the idea that
it's a compassionate, forward-looking high-technology company. Given
the lack of interest in speech, I don't believe it.


Uh, Microsoft is more interested in these things than any other major
software publisher.


I'm doing it right with only a USB microphone and speakers.


So you are doing it with special hardware, namely, a USB microphone
and speakers.


I am intimately familiar with the big antitrust trial. Microsoft
illegally destroyed Netscape's Navigator Internet browser business.
That is a fact and that was 17% of Netscape's revenue.


Netscape crashed and burned all on its own. It did that so quickly
that it's hard to imagine anything that Microsoft could have done that
would have significantly accelerated the crash.


Microsoft owns the monopoly operating system and office
applications. That's easy living.


Do you think so? Try it.


Just don't believe it when Microsoft tries to sell a compassionate,
forward-looking business.


I don't believe any company that makes such a claim. Microsoft is no
worse than anyone else, however.


Microsoft is the company that produces the monopoly operating system
and that is where speech belongs.


Because you say so?

I'm really enjoying your messages because it's so refreshing to hear
rational sanity on USENET.

Thay makes two of us at least.
>

 

[PWY]

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
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John Doe writes:

That's hardly current technology.

If you're going to talk about making computers more accessible, you're
going to have to offer solutions that don't require the latest,
fastest, most expensive hardware available. A lot of people are
running machines much slower than 400 MHz, and they cannot afford to
buy new hardware. What do you suggest for them?

Maybe I should say a medium to high end current store-bought
computer.

Why can't people use the computers they already have?

It probably also depends on whether the system is loaded
with many of the common bundled programs like Microsoft office and
Norton Utilities.

Not really. Most of these aren't running unless the user starts them.

These are my specs, all homemade.
... MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR mainboard
... Athlon XP 3000+
... PC 3200, 1 GB RAM
... Western Digital Raptor 37 GB 10,000 rpm HDD
... external Creative Labs USB Live sound box

Bigger and faster than 99.99% of all computers in the world. Hardly
representative.

The default voice, the only voice Microsoft currently provides is
called Mary. There are lots of better voices.

The only voice I see is Sam.

With enough experience, you begin to realize that what Microsoft
says is oftentimes mostly hype. That's a good example.

What built-in text-to-speech function is available on Linux? What
about the Mac? What about OS/2?

Try using it.

I did. Works well enough to get by. If someone wants a deluxe
system, he can go out and buy one (after all, according to you, he can
afford a top-of-the-line PC).

Because it's not programmed to do so.

Programming it to do so would be prohibitively expensive.

Microsoft has met serious resistance at the server operating system
market. One of the factors is probably that CEOs are typically more
intelligent than an average personal computer user and they don't
want Microsoft limiting their server operating system quality.

No, the real reason is that Microsoft servers are technically somewhat
inferior to UNIX servers for most purposes. It has nothing to do with
intelligence or product quality. Windows servers are of excellent
quality, but they are more poorly suited to server roles than the
simpler UNIX and Linux operating systems are, in most cases. Also,
Windows is much more expensive, which makes a difference especially
when one is purchasing thousands of licenses at a time.

Only if he (or she) wants to live in a closet without being able to
run the vast majority of personal computer software.

So what do you suggest? Should application developers be prohibited
from writing software for Windows and forced to develop software for
the current underdog operating systems?

At one point, Apple Computer almost went out of business simply
because Microsoft temporarily decided to discontinue making Office
for the Mac.

Apple should have gone out of business long ago, based on its
incompetence alone. It clings to life because it has a very loyal
customer base.

It's a long story.

Summarize it, then.

Bill Gates Jr. has more money than he or 10 generations could spend
in a lifetime.

At last.
I have followed this thread from the beggining waiting for the subject of
Bill Gates' money to be introduced, as these fanatical Microsoft bashers
always seem to reach that point in their arguments.
This has been a very informative thread and I wish to congratulate the other
posters on their self restraint and knowledge of the facts.

PWY

Not true. I could spend it all in a year. But he gives a lot of his
money away.

All of the millions Bill Gates has given to women and
race-based charities hasn't put a dance in his tens of billions in
personal wealth.

He has given away billions, not millions, and it has made a dent.

I'm not saying they aren't doing anything about it, I am saying that
they are not very concerned.

They are more concerned than they need to be. They could just ignore
it.

Microsoft used to publish a systemwide
macro recorder called Macro Recorder. It came with Windows 3.11.
According to Microsoft, one of its uses was to help the disabled.
Unfortunately, Macro Recorder went out the back door.

There are serious security issues with such a facility, and I doubt
that it was used very much, even by the disabled.

The lack of
built-in scripting and speech are two areas where Microsoft clearly
proves to me that Microsoft is not really interested in enabling
users.

Scripting is a vector for viruses. System-wide scripting would be a
security nightmare.

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[Ed Medlin]

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Mxsmanic wrote:

John Doe writes:


I think most people aren't interested because, like you, they are
frustrated with the current technology.


No, most people aren't interested because they aren't geeks, period.
They have lives outside of computers. They care no more about their
computers than they care about their telephones or toasters. They use
computers to accomplish some specific task, and then they are done.
Their are neither frustrated nor pleased by computers--they are
indifferent.


Given your frustration with the current technology.


I'm not frustrated with current technology. It all seems to work very
well.


Because it will provide access to disabled people and in the future
easier access to everyone.


Non-disabled people don't need easier access. Who should pay for
special accommodation of the disabled, and how much should they pay,
and which disabled people should get which proportion of the money?


There is great demand for it. The only problem is that people are
turned off by the current technology.


Nobody is clamoring for speech recognition. Most people don't use
computers that much and don't care. They are no more interested in
speech for their PC than they are in speech for their DVD players.


Microsoft has done many things at a net loss, like when trying to
steal market share.


Which things?


That's the norm. Microsoft could include high-quality speech if it
were truly interested in innovation. But it's not. You can blame it
on the fact that Microsoft must please its shareholders, nonetheless
it's true.


Microsoft already provides more accommodation of the disabled than any
other OS publisher. How much more do you want it to do?


But not within personal computing.


Within personal computing as well. But there are many types of
disabilities, and they all deserve consideration, in proportion to the
number of people afflicted with them. It's a question of balance.

For example, money spent to accommodate wheelchairs exceeds all other
expenditures on most other, more common disabilities combined, which
is a great example of enormous _imbalance_. I don't advocate that for
computers or for anything else.


I agree with that principle. But Microsoft trumpets the idea that
it's a compassionate, forward-looking high-technology company. Given
the lack of interest in speech, I don't believe it.


Uh, Microsoft is more interested in these things than any other major
software publisher.


I'm doing it right with only a USB microphone and speakers.


So you are doing it with special hardware, namely, a USB microphone
and speakers.


I am intimately familiar with the big antitrust trial. Microsoft
illegally destroyed Netscape's Navigator Internet browser business.
That is a fact and that was 17% of Netscape's revenue.


Netscape crashed and burned all on its own. It did that so quickly
that it's hard to imagine anything that Microsoft could have done that
would have significantly accelerated the crash.


Microsoft owns the monopoly operating system and office
applications. That's easy living.


Do you think so? Try it.


Just don't believe it when Microsoft tries to sell a compassionate,
forward-looking business.


I don't believe any company that makes such a claim. Microsoft is no
worse than anyone else, however.


Microsoft is the company that produces the monopoly operating system
and that is where speech belongs.


Because you say so?

I'm really enjoying your messages because it's so refreshing to hear
rational sanity on USENET.

Damn right David. I have enjoyed this thread more than any for
awhile........ I have no need to add anything......

Ed
>

 

[John Doe]

Mxsmanic <mxsmanic gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe writes:

Maybe, but the argument was Microsoft's business versus other
software publishers business.

Microsoft does almost all its business in operating systems and its
Office suite. It has very little competition in both domains. It
does not and cannot compete in any of the other thousands of
application domains for PCs in the world, and even if it tried, it
would be up against a lot of well-entrenched competition. The
concerns about monopoly are thus exaggerated and not always well
placed.

That is entirely false. Read how Microsoft crushed Netscape Navigator.
http://usvms.gpo.gov/findfact.html

Microsoft will eventually self-destruct.

Just like IBM self-destructed. Just like Ford Motor Co. self-destructed. Just like Standard Oil self-destructed (actually had serious antitrust problems).

Pure speculation. But in fact, Microsoft has a stranglehold on the personal computer software market. Only a few believed personal computers are going away could you believe Microsoft is going away.

So those who hate Microsoft need only be patient. A

Microsoft should be corrected to spur competition among all of the other capable software developers here in the United States.

Those who love communism most appreciate Microsoft's monopolies.

If you believe Microsoft is okay, then you are just ignorant of the facts.

Unless you believe in communism, then you might understand that
monopolies can be bad for our economy.

Not necessarily. A lot of public utilities are run as regulated
monopolies,

And in fact, there's very little difference.

Our system thrives on competition.

Some parts do, some parts don't.

What part of "competition" don't you understand?

We don't have competition for the
military.

lol

Sometimes monopolies serve society better. Usually they have to be
heavily regulated if they are turned over to private concerns in order
to prevent abuse, though.

That's why Microsoft has had so much legal trouble. Then George Bush Jr. came along, and his might-makes-right justice system let up on correcting Microsoft.

<Snipped silliness>

I've heard different.

From whom? Not ordinary consumers.

I guess you haven't interacted with consumers.

You keep saying that and and then dodging the question about whether
those thousands of other programs are very meaningful profit wise.

They are extremely meaningful to the companies that produce them.

Without a single dominant platform for applications,

I have plainly stated at least once already that multiple platforms might not be a good idea.

I guess that stuff depends on your definition of "too successful".
I'm talking about Microsoft Corp., the owner of Windows, the
required monopoly operating system for personal computers.

Why just Microsoft? Lots of companies are just as successful as
Microsoft. What property do you propose to seize from them?

I would seize a baseball bat from anybody who aggressively bludgeons another person to death. I could not care less whether you legally acquired and own that baseball bat.

What part of "justice" don't you understand?

Why aren't you complaining about Intel, for example?

Because I'm using AMD very well.

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[John Doe]

I didn't have to wait for the system to tell me that Microsoft owns
personal computer software. I provided that proof for your benefit.
Obviously you have some very strange views about Microsoft's
dominance.

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"John Doe" <jdoe usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message news:Xns9701C504D5F55follydom 207.115.17.102...
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:02:13 GMT

One year, Microsoft pumped $650 million into our judicial system.
That same system clearly settled that Microsoft holds monopoly
power over the desktop operating system market.

From the federal district court of the United States.

"Microsoft possesses monopoly power in the market for
Intel-compatible PC operating systems."

From the federal appeals court of the United States.

"... we uphold the District Court's finding of monopoly power in its
entirety."

There ain't no doubt about it.

"BillW50" <BillW50 aol.kom> wrote:

Oh please! I had lost faith in the system when victims mostly gets
screwed and the accused gets off lightly. And that doesn't count
either. The real truth is the one with the most bucks usually wins.
Did anything ever change with Microsoft, no not really after the
ruling.

And even if you believe in the system, do you believe the judge and
jury is going to understand anything about geeks and lines of code?
One in a thousand might, but that is the bright side of things.

It is as plain as day to me, that Microsoft appears as a monopoly
because Microsoft's competitors are whinny cry baby morons! They
can't program their way out of a wet paper bag! And because they are
so bad, they blame not themselves, but because Microsoft did it to
them. Judges and juries like hearing this. But they are totally
clueless when it comes right down to Microsoft competitors are

nothing more than just plain old clueless idiots. And that makes
Microsoft guilty? I think not!

Case in point. The court had ruled that McDonalds was at fault
because hot coffee was hot. Yes the coffee was at 190 degrees like
hot coffee should be. But the stupid lady was too dumb to know that
hot coffee was hot. So McDonalds had to pay like 3.5 million dollars
to this dumb ass lady. Yes I'm sorry she was a dumb ass, but I am
not sorry enough for dumb asses to give them 3.5 million dollars or
whatever it was. Now because of this, McDonalds now has a warning
that hot coffee is hot. Are you getting any of this now, John?

Maybe to solve Microsoft's so-called monopoly problem, maybe MS
should add a warning that its competitors are nothing but morons.
Yes that's the ticket. <grin

____________________________________________
Bill (using a Toshiba 2595XDVD under Windows 2000)
-- written and edited within WordStar 5.0

 

[John Doe]

Are you saying that you don't recognize/understand that Windows is
the monopoly operating system on personal computers?

Most computer savvy users knew that long before it was concretely
decided in our federal courts.

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John Doe writes:

One year, Microsoft pumped $650 million into our judicial system.
That same system clearly settled that Microsoft holds monopoly
power over the desktop operating system market.

From the federal district court of the United States.

"Microsoft possesses monopoly power in the market for
Intel-compatible PC operating systems."

From the federal appeals court of the United States.

"... we uphold the District Court's finding of monopoly power in its
entirety."

There ain't no doubt about it.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it so.

Court decisions don't establish reality, and they are independent of
market and business forces.

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[John Doe]

No, he is actually claiming that Microsoft does not hold monopoly
power through windows. Are you agreeing with that trollish idea?

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John Doe writes:

So you are trying to say that you really do not understand Microsoft
holds monopoly power over the personal computer operating system
market?

He is demonstrating that he understands how the market really works.

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[John Doe]

Do you understand that Microsoft holds monopoly power over the
desktop operating system market? Or are you just a troll?

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John Doe writes:

If you don't recognize/understand that Microsoft holds monopoly
power over the personal computer desktop operating system market,
then your arguments are probably meaningless to most people.

His arguments seem a lot more objective and less emotional than most
that one hears on USENET.

All large companies tend to commit certain abuses at some point in
their lifecycles, but contrary to widely held misconceptions, in the
greater scheme of things their abuses rarely make much of a dent in
their success or anyone else's failure. In order to do such things to
begin with, they need to have a dominant position, and if they have a
dominant position, doing bad things doesn't make it much more
dominant. And if they are poorly managed overall, they will go down
with or without abuses, as unethical practices alone will not save a
company that is fundamentally incompetently managed.

This has been proven again and again historically.

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[John Doe]

The whole document is full of salient points.

Do you really believe that Microsoft does not hold monopoly power
over the desktop operating system market? Or are you just a troll.

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John Doe writes:

There is no easy answer. Here is a short course.
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm

Summarize the salient points. You must have developed your opinion
based on something; describe what it was.

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tempus fugit <toccata@no.spam.ciaccess.com> wrote:
: Hey all;

: I'm trying to repair an old tube portable record player. When it is on, it
: hums really loud, regardless of the volume. I assumed that this must be a
: problem with filter caps, but they test OK for ESR and shorts. 1 of the
: problems is that there are 3 or 4 in a can, so I don't know what the values
: are supposed to be.

: Is there anything else that may cause this symptom? I suppose I could
: parallel some caps across the existing ones, but I don't even know what the
: values are supposed to be.

: Thanks


I fixed an old record player with the same problem and I used to be a TV
repair tech.

I'd bet money on a bad filter capacitor. Just replace it with something
of the same voltage rating and equal capacitance or slightly higher if the
exact value isn't available.

It's not something w/the tone arm because that would vary with volume.
It's not a shorted diode because if it were, it'd be putting AC in
to the capacitor and that would be an AC short and a destructive overcurrent
situation would result. It's not an open diode because you'd get no hum
if that were the case.

Replace the filter capacitor. They're usually a tab mounted can and it'll
be difficult to find one like it so instead, use an axial leaded capacitor
and run insulated wires to it and glue it somewhere to keep it in place
(silicone cauking/sealant would do the trick).

b.

 

[John Doe]

David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:

John Doe wrote:

....

IBM was competing with OS/2. And if they weren't then why the hell
did they keep trying to sell it?

The findings of fact explain what you need to know.

http://usvms.gpo.gov/findfact.html

It's good reading.

Do you understand that Microsoft holds monopoly power over the
Intel-based personal computer operating system market?

That's irrelevant to giving discounts to your competition.

You're too scared to voice your opinion on the subject. That is
rather telling. If you acknowledge the obvious, what most of us knew
long before the big antitrust trial, that Microsoft holds monopoly
power, you might endanger your business status with Microsoft. If
you say Microsoft doesn't hold monopoly power, then you lump
yourself in with the few remaining zealots who defend Microsoft.
Otherwise, why won't you say one way or the other?

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[John Doe]

This troll is whining about Bill Gates bashing. But in fact, his
side entered the argument.

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"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic gmail.com> wrote in message
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John Doe writes:

That's hardly current technology.

If you're going to talk about making computers more accessible, you're
going to have to offer solutions that don't require the latest,
fastest, most expensive hardware available. A lot of people are
running machines much slower than 400 MHz, and they cannot afford to
buy new hardware. What do you suggest for them?

Maybe I should say a medium to high end current store-bought
computer.

Why can't people use the computers they already have?

It probably also depends on whether the system is loaded
with many of the common bundled programs like Microsoft office and
Norton Utilities.

Not really. Most of these aren't running unless the user starts them.

These are my specs, all homemade.
... MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR mainboard
... Athlon XP 3000+
... PC 3200, 1 GB RAM
... Western Digital Raptor 37 GB 10,000 rpm HDD
... external Creative Labs USB Live sound box

Bigger and faster than 99.99% of all computers in the world. Hardly
representative.

The default voice, the only voice Microsoft currently provides is
called Mary. There are lots of better voices.

The only voice I see is Sam.

With enough experience, you begin to realize that what Microsoft
says is oftentimes mostly hype. That's a good example.

What built-in text-to-speech function is available on Linux? What
about the Mac? What about OS/2?

Try using it.

I did. Works well enough to get by. If someone wants a deluxe
system, he can go out and buy one (after all, according to you, he can
afford a top-of-the-line PC).

Because it's not programmed to do so.

Programming it to do so would be prohibitively expensive.

Microsoft has met serious resistance at the server operating system
market. One of the factors is probably that CEOs are typically more
intelligent than an average personal computer user and they don't
want Microsoft limiting their server operating system quality.

No, the real reason is that Microsoft servers are technically somewhat
inferior to UNIX servers for most purposes. It has nothing to do with
intelligence or product quality. Windows servers are of excellent
quality, but they are more poorly suited to server roles than the
simpler UNIX and Linux operating systems are, in most cases. Also,
Windows is much more expensive, which makes a difference especially
when one is purchasing thousands of licenses at a time.

Only if he (or she) wants to live in a closet without being able to
run the vast majority of personal computer software.

So what do you suggest? Should application developers be prohibited
from writing software for Windows and forced to develop software for
the current underdog operating systems?

At one point, Apple Computer almost went out of business simply
because Microsoft temporarily decided to discontinue making Office
for the Mac.

Apple should have gone out of business long ago, based on its
incompetence alone. It clings to life because it has a very loyal
customer base.

It's a long story.

Summarize it, then.

Bill Gates Jr. has more money than he or 10 generations could spend
in a lifetime.



At last.
I have followed this thread from the beggining waiting for the subject of
Bill Gates' money to be introduced, as these fanatical Microsoft bashers
always seem to reach that point in their arguments.
This has been a very informative thread and I wish to congratulate the other
posters on their self restraint and knowledge of the facts.

PWY







Not true. I could spend it all in a year. But he gives a lot of his
money away.

All of the millions Bill Gates has given to women and
race-based charities hasn't put a dance in his tens of billions in
personal wealth.

He has given away billions, not millions, and it has made a dent.

I'm not saying they aren't doing anything about it, I am saying that
they are not very concerned.

They are more concerned than they need to be. They could just ignore
it.

Microsoft used to publish a systemwide
macro recorder called Macro Recorder. It came with Windows 3.11.
According to Microsoft, one of its uses was to help the disabled.
Unfortunately, Macro Recorder went out the back door.

There are serious security issues with such a facility, and I doubt
that it was used very much, even by the disabled.

The lack of
built-in scripting and speech are two areas where Microsoft clearly
proves to me that Microsoft is not really interested in enabling
users.

Scripting is a vector for viruses. System-wide scripting would be a
security nightmare.

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tempus fugit <toccata@no.spam.ciaccess.com> wrote:
: Hey all;

: I'm trying to repair an old tube portable record player. When it is on, it
: hums really loud, regardless of the volume. I assumed that this must be a
: problem with filter caps, but they test OK for ESR and shorts. 1 of the
: problems is that there are 3 or 4 in a can, so I don't know what the values
: are supposed to be.

Sorry for another followup.

The capacitor is a multi-section capacitor. Their values are usually
stamped or imprinted on the side of the can. The leads will usually have
a triangle, half circle and square markings/openings in the phenolic part
of the capacitor (bottom). The "legend" of values will usually show that
on the capacitor markings.

If you can't get the replacement, you can wire up individual electrolytic
capacitora and tie all of the minus sides of the wires together and ground this
to what was previously the capacitor can ground and use the + lead of each
capacitor to connect the the wires that previously attached to the
capacitors.

Here are a few sites relating to them:
http://www.dialcover.com/caps.html
http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&DID=7&WebPage_ID=3&CATID=41&ObjectGroup_ID=557
http://www.kenselectronics.com/lists/caps.htm
https://secure.tubesandmore.com/

barry

 

[DBLEXPOSURE]

Interesting take on why computer clocks can't keep time.

Those who love communism most appreciate Microsoft's monopolies.

What?!!

Microsoft is a capitalist's wet dream.

Unless you believe in communism, then you might understand that
monopolies can be bad for our economy.

25 different OS's and nobody being able to share files or communicate would
be better for the economy?

I wonder what a program like Photoshop would cost if Adobe had to write 15
different version so it could run on every possible OS. I wonder if
Photoshop would even exist in a world with that many different OS's.

Fact is, Microsoft is an example of what can be achieved via Capitalism. Do
you really think that a company of this magnitude would have ever emerged
out of the Soviet union or any other Communist country..?

You don't have to like Microsoft but calling it Communism is just silly.









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Mxsmanic <mxsmanic gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe writes:

Maybe, but the argument was Microsoft's business versus other
software publishers business.

Microsoft does almost all its business in operating systems and its
Office suite. It has very little competition in both domains. It
does not and cannot compete in any of the other thousands of
application domains for PCs in the world, and even if it tried, it
would be up against a lot of well-entrenched competition. The
concerns about monopoly are thus exaggerated and not always well
placed.

That is entirely false. Read how Microsoft crushed Netscape Navigator.
http://usvms.gpo.gov/findfact.html

Microsoft will eventually self-destruct.

Just like IBM self-destructed. Just like Ford Motor Co. self-destructed.
Just like Standard Oil self-destructed (actually had serious antitrust
problems).

Pure speculation. But in fact, Microsoft has a stranglehold on the
personal computer software market. Only a few believed personal computers
are going away could you believe Microsoft is going away.

So those who hate Microsoft need only be patient. A

Microsoft should be corrected to spur competition among all of the other
capable software developers here in the United States.

Those who love communism most appreciate Microsoft's monopolies.

If you believe Microsoft is okay, then you are just ignorant of the facts.

Unless you believe in communism, then you might understand that
monopolies can be bad for our economy.

Not necessarily. A lot of public utilities are run as regulated
monopolies,

And in fact, there's very little difference.

Our system thrives on competition.

Some parts do, some parts don't.

What part of "competition" don't you understand?

We don't have competition for the
military.

lol

Sometimes monopolies serve society better. Usually they have to be
heavily regulated if they are turned over to private concerns in order
to prevent abuse, though.

That's why Microsoft has had so much legal trouble. Then George Bush Jr.
came along, and his might-makes-right justice system let up on correcting
Microsoft.

Snipped silliness

I've heard different.

From whom? Not ordinary consumers.

I guess you haven't interacted with consumers.

You keep saying that and and then dodging the question about whether
those thousands of other programs are very meaningful profit wise.

They are extremely meaningful to the companies that produce them.

Without a single dominant platform for applications,

I have plainly stated at least once already that multiple platforms might
not be a good idea.

I guess that stuff depends on your definition of "too successful".
I'm talking about Microsoft Corp., the owner of Windows, the
required monopoly operating system for personal computers.

Why just Microsoft? Lots of companies are just as successful as
Microsoft. What property do you propose to seize from them?

I would seize a baseball bat from anybody who aggressively bludgeons
another person to death. I could not care less whether you legally
acquired and own that baseball bat.

What part of "justice" don't you understand?

Why aren't you complaining about Intel, for example?

Because I'm using AMD very well.




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[BillW50]

"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message news:Xns9702802F98EB1follydom@207.115.17.102...
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:36:00 GMT

I didn't have to wait for the system to tell me that Microsoft
owns personal computer software.

Me neither. Yes Microsoft does develop personal computer software.
But so does thousands of other companies as well. So this rules out
Microsoft as a monopoly.

I provided that proof for your benefit.

Your proof is from known liars who hides the truth under the
umbrella of nation security and many other things.

Obviously you have some very strange views about Microsoft's
dominance.

I have no strange views about Microsoft's dominance. I freely admit
they have a huge following using their software. Although what the
*facts* don't show is how this dominance means that Microsoft has a
monopoly in the PC market.

That is ridiculous! How can that be? As they would had to have
complete control over the PC. This isn't the case at all. As
Microsoft's largest threat is probably Linux. So get that silly idea
out of your head, because it just isn't so. As there are
probably millions of PCs not running any MS product at all. And you
are totally ignoring this *fact*. Why is that?

Is it because the lying system told you so? Thus are you trying us
to believe known liars? Why? I easily shown you how ridiculous
calling Microsoft a monopoly sounds by using the known *facts*.
Don't follow others in their ignorance, think for yourself.


__________________________________________________
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"BillW50" <BillW50 aol.kom> wrote:

"John Doe" <jdoe usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message news:Xns9701C504D5F55follydom 207.115.17.102...
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:02:13 GMT

One year, Microsoft pumped $650 million into our judicial system.
That same system clearly settled that Microsoft holds monopoly
power over the desktop operating system market.

From the federal district court of the United States.

"Microsoft possesses monopoly power in the market for
Intel-compatible PC operating systems."

From the federal appeals court of the United States.

"... we uphold the District Court's finding of monopoly power in its
entirety."

There ain't no doubt about it.

"BillW50" <BillW50 aol.kom> wrote:

Oh please! I had lost faith in the system when victims mostly gets
screwed and the accused gets off lightly. And that doesn't count
either. The real truth is the one with the most bucks usually wins.
Did anything ever change with Microsoft, no not really after the
ruling.

And even if you believe in the system, do you believe the judge and
jury is going to understand anything about geeks and lines of code?
One in a thousand might, but that is the bright side of things.

It is as plain as day to me, that Microsoft appears as a monopoly
because Microsoft's competitors are whinny cry baby morons! They
can't program their way out of a wet paper bag! And because they are
so bad, they blame not themselves, but because Microsoft did it to
them. Judges and juries like hearing this. But they are totally
clueless when it comes right down to Microsoft competitors are

nothing more than just plain old clueless idiots. And that makes
Microsoft guilty? I think not!

Case in point. The court had ruled that McDonalds was at fault
because hot coffee was hot. Yes the coffee was at 190 degrees like
hot coffee should be. But the stupid lady was too dumb to know that
hot coffee was hot. So McDonalds had to pay like 3.5 million dollars
to this dumb ass lady. Yes I'm sorry she was a dumb ass, but I am
not sorry enough for dumb asses to give them 3.5 million dollars or
whatever it was. Now because of this, McDonalds now has a warning
that hot coffee is hot. Are you getting any of this now, John?

Maybe to solve Microsoft's so-called monopoly problem, maybe MS
should add a warning that its competitors are nothing but morons.
Yes that's the ticket. <grin

____________________________________________
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[Mxsmanic]

John Doe writes:

Are you saying that you don't recognize/understand that Windows is
the monopoly operating system on personal computers?

I'm saying that repeating the same statement a hundred times doesn't
make it any more valid or cogent than it was on the first iteration.

Most computer savvy users knew that long before it was concretely
decided in our federal courts.

Federal courts don't make such decisions in reality, they only make
such decisions within the framework of the courts.

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[Mxsmanic]

John Doe writes:

You're too scared to voice your opinion on the subject. That is
rather telling.

You're attempting to bolster your position with personal attacks.
That is rather telling, too.

Otherwise, why won't you say one way or the other?

Because not everyone treats operating systems as religions, and
reality is much more complex and subtle than black and white.

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