Time to change group name?

[JeffM]

Mark Zenier wrote:
[...]It could be
that your NSP just has really crappy or nonexistent filters.

That's my bet.

my ISPs news source
has despammed some groups by a factor of 60% or more,
so if you've got a lazy NSP it could get real bad.
Even then, about it's 10% spam.

Yup.

Sounds like Lostgallifreyan isn't getting ANY help from his provider.

Lostgallifreyan wrote:

I'll be trying out a tool someone posted about recently.
Right now I can't even find it or remember its name[...]

Is its name on this list?

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=nFilter+OR+NewsProxy+Hamster+Leafnode+-jeffm_+-News.Proxy+-inurl:www&num=25

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

JeffM <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in
news:b2cde667-faf9-42b8-a06c-a73c0960b65f@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:

Lostgallifreyan wrote:
[...]I'll be trying out a tool someone posted about recently.
Right now I can't even find it or remember its name[...]

Is its name on this list?
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=nFilter+OR+NewsProxy+Hamster+Lea
fnode+-jeffm_+-News.Proxy+-inurl:www&num=25

Yep, nFilter. Thanks, that helped me find it, I stowed it better, where
I'll find without trouble when I'm ready to try.

Main trouble is that it seems whatever I do, I have to take all the crap even
when I never see it, but with nFilter perhaps I really WILL never see it.
I'll feel better about it if I don't see it slow down the window refresh for
stuff I'm never going to see anyway. Some stuff, even the headers are way
huge..

 

[Rich Webb]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 05:35:46 -0500, Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net>
wrote:

JeffM <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in
news:b2cde667-faf9-42b8-a06c-a73c0960b65f@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:

Lostgallifreyan wrote:
[...]I'll be trying out a tool someone posted about recently.
Right now I can't even find it or remember its name[...]

Is its name on this list?
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=nFilter+OR+NewsProxy+Hamster+Lea
fnode+-jeffm_+-News.Proxy+-inurl:www&num=25


Yep, nFilter. Thanks, that helped me find it, I stowed it better, where
I'll find without trouble when I'm ready to try.

Main trouble is that it seems whatever I do, I have to take all the crap even
when I never see it, but with nFilter perhaps I really WILL never see it.

That's the idea. Using nFilter or Hamster you have a large number of
messy regex filters. If you set it up so that your local server polls
the upstream server every, say, twenty minutes then you really don't
care how long (within reason) it may take for its filters to run, you
are only downloading the smaller, cleaned stream in real time to your
client.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

Rich Webb <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote in
news:gs6na595mpuhp2iv1j0lp111e3nl09q6hg@4ax.com:

That's the idea. Using nFilter or Hamster you have a large number of
messy regex filters. If you set it up so that your local server polls
the upstream server every, say, twenty minutes then you really don't
care how long (within reason) it may take for its filters to run, you
are only downloading the smaller, cleaned stream in real time to your
client.

My RegEx is NEVER messy. > That local server idea is neat, though I could
still angst over the knowing that it was happening and it was spam, but never
mind, it can't be worse than it has been, unless the spammers really hit the
fan.

I could just do the sensible thing and haunt s.e.d as well as s.e.c but
weirdly I get the feeling that I'd be just as inundated with valid posts. I
like backwaters, so long as I can see the main stream directly from them at
need.

 

[Mark Zenier]

In article <Xns9C83D61C0420Azoodlewurdle@216.196.109.145>,
Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net> wrote:

mzenier@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier) wrote in
news:h8dsgb0c26@enews2.newsguy.com:
....
For a comparison experiment, try configuring your newsreader/browser
to whatever the name of the AIOE server is these days, (nntp.aioe.org?)
and see what the last week's traffic looks like there. They have a good
spam filter.


Interesting. AIOE have had some trolling originating from them so perhaps
they cleaned house and that had added benefits?

From what I've seen AIOE never has been pro-troll, he's just operating
from a free speech philosophy and experimental system administration
methods that are vulnerable to the worst kind of assholes.
Practice vs. theory, the hard way.

While I won't be pushing for a change to group names just because I get
annoyed with spam, I can't help thinking that reducing to three groups,
design, applied, and repair, makes sense, kind of like past, present, future.
Makes deciding where to post (and crosspost) easier, and reduces the risk of
low-traffic spamtraps. Might even have a relatively even loading of actual
use.

The real problems are in the minds (existance questionable in many cases)
of the partipants in .design. Topic discipline is, well, nonexistant.
Combined with the "Go where the lights are brightest" and "I know I'll
get an answer if I cross-post all over" and that damned Top 8 Groups
list on Google Groups front page that drags them in from around the
world and it's a mess.

Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

mzenier@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier) wrote in
news:h8j8vm01a2r@enews1.newsguy.com:

While I won't be pushing for a change to group names just because I get
annoyed with spam, I can't help thinking that reducing to three groups,
design, applied, and repair, makes sense, kind of like past, present,
future. Makes deciding where to post (and crosspost) easier, and reduces
the risk of low-traffic spamtraps. Might even have a relatively even
loading of actual use.

The real problems are in the minds (existance questionable in many
cases) of the partipants in .design. Topic discipline is, well,
nonexistant. Combined with the "Go where the lights are brightest" and
"I know I'll get an answer if I cross-post all over" and that damned Top
8 Groups list on Google Groups front page that drags them in from around
the world and it's a mess.

Then my three-group idea might actually fix most of that. One of them
would even be called design, though sci.elec.design instead of what we have
now. Can't help wondering what people would make of 'applied', though.

Re AIOE, didn't know that. It's cool that it exists then, it might find good
answers before others do because it is trying.