The Weakness of Xi Jinping...

[Don Y]

[Crap! My server/agent appears to have shit the bed -- hundreds of OLD posts
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other folks\' code instead of rolling your own! :< I wonder how the NNet will
react to my deleting things that it thought it had already deleted? Maybe I
should just clean the slate and start from scratch...]

On 9/10/2022 3:20 PM, rbowman wrote:

On 09/10/2022 11:14 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 9/10/2022 9:15 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 09/10/2022 12:01 AM, Don Y wrote:
I suspect Pfizer/Moderna have baked a hefty premium into their pricing.
Recall, they were *enticed* (not COMMANDED, like the chinese) to solve
the problem.

Pfizer needed a new cash cow after their Viagra patent expired. I find
Moderna\'s suit alleging Pfizer infringed on their patents amusing. No
honor among thieves, I guess.

I\'m surprised they didn\'t reformulate it with some memory enhancing
drug (for altzheimer\'s pts) so you\'d remember her name, the next
morning! :

They\'re all named Darlin\'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ

Yeah, I don\'t think that would fly with any of the womenfolk I\'ve
dated -- let alone slept with! :>

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:06:47 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

On 9/10/2022 1:05 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Actually their vaccine is doing pretty well The efficacy numbers are
10-15 points higher than the initial U.S FDA approval goal/ requirement
of 50%.
But that was the initial target. Figures now suggest a greater level of
protection. Are their lockdowns (unlike our \"imagined\" lockdowns) just an
overreaction? Or, are they seeing widespread illness/death/strain on their
systems?

The lockdowns are by Xinping fiat, they\'re not based on science of any
kind.
But, presumably, he saw something (even a delusion) that led him to
believe THIS was the answer. Otherwise, why not declare \"everyone
gets a free lollipop!\" by edict?

Right- probably some fable from the 14th century Black Death era...

The 50% number is for complete neutralization and prevention of infection.
They then \"guess\" from experience that the remaining 50% are fairly well
enough protected to have a mild case of disease, and a really small
percentage remain who end up dying regardless of what anybody does.

If you look at the various efficacy studies, they\'re all conducted within
about 6 months of vaccination. They\'re not testing a year out or so.
Yes, I\'m sure they have decided that there is no long-term protection
from any countermeasure. They already know that various other vaccines
(as well as \"acquired immunity\") have limited periods of effectivity
and, other than as an intellectual experiment, sorting out the long
term protection of something in the same ballpark as influenza is
probably a poor use of resources during an emergency.

Virus mutation is the most common reason for vaccines losing effectiveness. Influenza is a case in point.

The long covid disease was a surprise, but the percentage affected is
acceptable to the people who look at the bigger picture
That will always be the case. The Military expects civilian casualties,
friendly fire casualties, etc. You just bake those numbers into the
solution and live with it.

Retailers expect a certain percentage of loss from theft, returned
merchandise, etc. You could search every customer (amazon apparently
searches employees at shift-end) but how much will you really
recover and what amount of \"bad will\" results?
I suspect Pfizer/Moderna have baked a hefty premium into their pricing..
Recall, they were *enticed* (not COMMANDED, like the chinese) to solve the
problem.

The Pfizer numbers in for 2021 are $37B sales of the vaccine, Comirnaty..
https://www.statista.com/statistics/253788/pfizers-top-products-based-on-revenues/

Chinese program didn\'t require any effort at all by way of research. They
used a very straightforward approach of isolating and then growing the virus
in chicken eggs or similar.
But isn\'t that how J&J AZ did it (and weren\'t there some nasty side effects)?

The AZ and J&J ( and also the Russian Sputnik) vaccines are viral vector vaccines. The viral vector approach predates the mRNA approach by about 25 years, a time when the chemistry required to make mRNA vaccines work was just being discovered. The viral vector vaccines are genetically modified live virus designed to infect cells, take over the nucleus, and from there direct the synthesis of SARS-CoV-2 antigen proteins to provoke immunity. It\'s a much more complex technology than replicating wild strain virus in a chicken egg. They would be considered excellent vaccines in 1995, but it\'s 2022 now, and the mRNA vaccines have left them in the dust. They do have the advantage of being much cheaper (IIRC about $13/dose in quantity) and not requiring the extreme environmental control the mRNA vaccines require, so they\'re not totally worthless. IIRC they\'re not recommended for boost vaccination, CDC wants people who received the primary dose of J&J to be boosted by an mRNA vaccine- I think.
AZ did have some kind of really rare neurological side effect but almost always it was a latent condition just waiting for something to trigger it- a powerful vaccine will do it. There was some other oddball inflamation developing in children from one or the other vaccines, and, from the few cases I read, the children were flabby fat unhealthy looking endomorphs.

 

[Don Y]

On 9/10/2022 7:00 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

AZ did have some kind of really rare neurological side effect but almost
always it was a latent condition just waiting for something to trigger it- a
powerful vaccine will do it. There was some other oddball inflamation
developing in children from one or the other vaccines, and, from the few
cases I read, the children were flabby fat unhealthy looking endomorphs.

Dunno. There are downsides to all \"therapies\". The question is one of
risk assessment -- likelihood x severity of each course of action. And,
here, the only choices were moderna or pfizer. (I think some J&J was
rushed in at some point)

Being a big fan of vaccines (haven\'t had the flu in any of the two? decades
in which I received vaccine), it wasn\'t an issue, for me. Rather, how soon
will I be *allowed* access to the vaccine.

[Second booster a couple of months ago thinking that a B variant booster would
be forthcoming and I\'d not want to get it too soon in The Season -- esp as
I\'d have to work in a flu shot between booster 2 and booster B.]

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 11:38:32 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

On 9/10/2022 7:00 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

AZ did have some kind of really rare neurological side effect but almost
always it was a latent condition just waiting for something to trigger it- a
powerful vaccine will do it. There was some other oddball inflamation
developing in children from one or the other vaccines, and, from the few
cases I read, the children were flabby fat unhealthy looking endomorphs.
Dunno. There are downsides to all \"therapies\". The question is one of
risk assessment -- likelihood x severity of each course of action. And,
here, the only choices were moderna or pfizer. (I think some J&J was
rushed in at some point)

Being a big fan of vaccines (haven\'t had the flu in any of the two? decades
in which I received vaccine), it wasn\'t an issue, for me. Rather, how soon
will I be *allowed* access to the vaccine.

[Second booster a couple of months ago thinking that a B variant booster would
be forthcoming and I\'d not want to get it too soon in The Season -- esp as
I\'d have to work in a flu shot between booster 2 and booster B.]

They\'re available now. Check your state health department site:
https://www.cdc.gov/publichealthgateway/healthdirectories/healthdepartments.html
They\'re referred to as bivalent booster. You can get the booster from them or any one of the big pharmacy chains like CVS or Walgreens. Sounds like you would be better off getting it from the health department.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 11:38:32 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

On 9/10/2022 7:00 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

AZ did have some kind of really rare neurological side effect but almost
always it was a latent condition just waiting for something to trigger it- a
powerful vaccine will do it. There was some other oddball inflamation
developing in children from one or the other vaccines, and, from the few
cases I read, the children were flabby fat unhealthy looking endomorphs.
Dunno. There are downsides to all \"therapies\". The question is one of
risk assessment -- likelihood x severity of each course of action. And,
here, the only choices were moderna or pfizer. (I think some J&J was
rushed in at some point)

Being a big fan of vaccines (haven\'t had the flu in any of the two? decades
in which I received vaccine), it wasn\'t an issue, for me. Rather, how soon
will I be *allowed* access to the vaccine.

[Second booster a couple of months ago thinking that a B variant booster would
be forthcoming and I\'d not want to get it too soon in The Season -- esp as
I\'d have to work in a flu shot between booster 2 and booster B.]

To answer your question, you\'re eligible for the new booster if it\'s been at least 2 months since your last COVID vaccine of any kind.

 

[Don Y]

On 9/11/2022 9:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

[Second booster a couple of months ago thinking that a B variant booster would
be forthcoming and I\'d not want to get it too soon in The Season -- esp as
I\'d have to work in a flu shot between booster 2 and booster B.]

They\'re available now. Check your state health department site:
https://www.cdc.gov/publichealthgateway/healthdirectories/healthdepartments.html
They\'re referred to as bivalent booster. You can get the booster from them or any one of the big pharmacy chains like CVS or Walgreens. Sounds like you would be better off getting it from the health department.

I typically wait until the last week of September for flu.
That will put a bit of time between it and the most recent
covid booster.

Then, wait until Nov/Dec for the covid B booster to
span the winter months.

Not keen on getting lots of vaccinations at the same time;
it\'s not inconvenient to schedule an appointment (and only
takes 2 minutes, once there) so there\'s little to gain
by getting multiple in one go.

I\'ve a fair number of environmental allergies so I suspect my immune
system is already doing more work than it should; why kick it
any more than necessary?