The US government is taking a serious step toward space-based nuclear propulsion...

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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 3:55:28 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:51:58 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in <d7536065-8e80-4d2b...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 06:57:28 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in <cb14f1a1-731c-4e8d...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 00:51:10 UTC+2, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:55:26 AM UTC-4, Jan Pantelje wrote:

I have been exposed to Chernobyl fallout here many years ago, no known effects.

Noe that you have noticed, but you do post a lot of nonsense.

> >> Our DNA has repair mechanisms.

Of a sort. They aren\'t error-detecting and -correcting codes.

> >> Wildlife is flourishing in the forbidden area around Chernobyl.

But with a fairly high load of mutations.

> >> Our species and other ones, life, must have evolved in much higher radiation levels.

Why do you think that?

> >vide long-term exposure to nuclear waste vs. short-term or a single exposure as in your case,

All that matter is the total radiation dose.

> >In case of long-term exposure, DNA repair mechanisms fail to work,

Our DNA reapir mechanism don\'t work perfectly, or anything like it.

resulting in cancer.

Not really, evolution has shown we are still around as species.

Evolution chucks out the less viable, and the more viable survive. It depends on occasional mutations as a source of variation, and we produce more off-spring than strict replacement requires so that we can afford to lose the less fit before they can reproduce. It\'s a brutal and inefficient system, but it does work

> DNA repair mechanisms do just that, repair DNA, is not time limited.

But the repairs are rather crude and tend not to restore the DNA to it pre-mutation state.

But can likely be not working 100% at very high radiation levels.
Wildlife is flourishing in Chernobyl\'s forbidden area.

But with high mutation levels. There\'s quite a lot of it, but it isn\'t all that healthy.

So Fukushima disaster can kill 10M long-term,

Human beings do not live that long
Some may live shorter, but their kids will have better repair mechanisms, that is how evolution works.

It hasn\'t produced anything particularly good so far.

> The ones with the best mechanism survive.

Survival doesn\'t matter, Producing enough healthy of-spring to maintain the population does matter,

Lower radiation levels may kill your cancer

Not a recognised treatment.,

> The rest will die from US fast-food if I have to believe what is posted here and elsewhere.

You have to get obese first, and US fast food does seem to help with that.

> A miracle still anybody exists on this planet!

A miracle is anything you don\'t understand. Jan doesn\'t understand much so he thinks he sees a lot of miracles.

So it is not all bad...

In Jan\'s ever-so-expert opinion.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

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[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:29:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 3:55:28 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:51:58 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in <d7536065-8e80-4d2b...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 06:57:28 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in <cb14f1a1-731c-4e8d...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 00:51:10 UTC+2, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:55:26 AM UTC-4, Jan Pantelje wrote:

I have been exposed to Chernobyl fallout here many years ago, no known effects.

Noe that you have noticed, but you do post a lot of nonsense.
Our DNA has repair mechanisms.
Of a sort. They aren\'t error-detecting and -correcting codes.
Wildlife is flourishing in the forbidden area around Chernobyl.
But with a fairly high load of mutations.

Our species and other ones, life, must have evolved in much higher radiation levels.

Why do you think that?

vide long-term exposure to nuclear waste vs. short-term or a single exposure as in your case,

All that matter is the total radiation dose.
In case of long-term exposure, DNA repair mechanisms fail to work,
Our DNA reapir mechanism don\'t work perfectly, or anything like it.

resulting in cancer.

Not really, evolution has shown we are still around as species.
Evolution chucks out the less viable, and the more viable survive. It depends on occasional mutations as a source of variation, and we produce more off-spring than strict replacement requires so that we can afford to lose the less fit before they can reproduce. It\'s a brutal and inefficient system, but it does work
DNA repair mechanisms do just that, repair DNA, is not time limited.
But the repairs are rather crude and tend not to restore the DNA to it pre-mutation state.
But can likely be not working 100% at very high radiation levels.
Wildlife is flourishing in Chernobyl\'s forbidden area.
But with high mutation levels. There\'s quite a lot of it, but it isn\'t all that healthy.

So Fukushima disaster can kill 10M long-term,

Human beings do not live that long
Some may live shorter, but their kids will have better repair mechanisms, that is how evolution works.
It hasn\'t produced anything particularly good so far.
The ones with the best mechanism survive.
Survival doesn\'t matter, Producing enough healthy of-spring to maintain the population does matter,

Lower radiation levels may kill your cancer
Not a recognised treatment.,
The rest will die from US fast-food if I have to believe what is posted here and elsewhere.
You have to get obese first, and US fast food does seem to help with that..
A miracle still anybody exists on this planet!
A miracle is anything you don\'t understand. Jan doesn\'t understand much so he thinks he sees a lot of miracles.

Jan says miracle. Sloman says random.

So it is not all bad...
In Jan\'s ever-so-expert opinion.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:07:42 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:29:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 3:55:28 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:51:58 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in <d7536065-8e80-4d2b...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 06:57:28 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in <cb14f1a1-731c-4e8d...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 00:51:10 UTC+2, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:55:26 AM UTC-4, Jan Pantelje wrote:

<snip>

A miracle still anybody exists on this planet!
A miracle is anything you don\'t understand. Jan doesn\'t understand much so he thinks he sees a lot of miracles.

Jan says miracle. Sloman says random.

The mutations are random in their effects. Natural selection means that the rare one\'s that generate helpful variations get selected and survive, and become over-represented in subsequent generations. That isn\'t random, or miraculous.

John Larkin prefers \"intelligent design\" but he doesn\'t seem to understand design anyway.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:36:30 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:07:42 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:29:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 3:55:28 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:51:58 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in <d7536065-8e80-4d2b...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 06:57:28 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in <cb14f1a1-731c-4e8d...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 00:51:10 UTC+2, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:55:26 AM UTC-4, Jan Pantelje wrote:
snip
A miracle still anybody exists on this planet!
A miracle is anything you don\'t understand. Jan doesn\'t understand much so he thinks he sees a lot of miracles.

Jan says miracle. Sloman says random.
The mutations are random in their effects. Natural selection means that the rare one\'s that generate helpful variations get selected and survive, and become over-represented in subsequent generations. That isn\'t random, or miraculous.

John Larkin prefers \"intelligent design\" but he doesn\'t seem to understand design anyway.

Might as well talk to Darwin as you. It gets nowhere both times.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 11:36:15 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:36:30 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:07:42 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:29:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 3:55:28 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:51:58 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in <d7536065-8e80-4d2b...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 06:57:28 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in <cb14f1a1-731c-4e8d...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 00:51:10 UTC+2, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:55:26 AM UTC-4, Jan Pantelje wrote:
snip
A miracle still anybody exists on this planet!
A miracle is anything you don\'t understand. Jan doesn\'t understand much so he thinks he sees a lot of miracles.

Jan says miracle. Sloman says random.

The mutations are random in their effects. Natural selection means that the rare one\'s that generate helpful variations get selected and survive, and become over-represented in subsequent generations. That isn\'t random, or miraculous.

John Larkin prefers \"intelligent design\" but he doesn\'t seem to understand design anyway.

Might as well talk to Darwin as you. It gets nowhere both times.

If you tried talking sense you might do better. Charles Darwin has been dead for quite a while, and his sons too

I did see one of the descendants from time to time when I was living in Brighton UK from 1979 to 1982.

https://www.sussex.ac.uk/profiles/652

Then my wife and I moved to Cambridge where I worked for a firm that had been set up by Horace Darwin, Charles Darwin\'s youngest son.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney