The US government is taking a serious step toward space-based nuclear propulsion...

[Jan Panteltje]

The US government is taking a serious step toward space-based nuclear propulsion
\"NASA is looking to go to Mars with this system.\"
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/nasa-seeks-to-launch-a-nuclear-powered-rocket-engine-in-four-years/

Finally!
But
?
Uranium reactor falls to back earth in a few hundred years?

 

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[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:55:26 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

The US government is taking a serious step toward space-based nuclear propulsion
\"NASA is looking to go to Mars with this system.\"
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/nasa-seeks-to-launch-a-nuclear-powered-rocket-engine-in-four-years/

They have money burning a hole in their pocket.

Finally!
But
?
Uranium reactor falls to back earth in a few hundred years?

That\'s their ( Earth 100 years from now ) problem.

Same attitude taken by the reckless nuclear weapon manufacturing people, whose left-behind waste is now costing over $100B to clean up, if it can even be done..

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:21:55 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<c6e2d96e-f2ab-449e-9a02-b2e827866f60n@googlegroups.com>:

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:55:26 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrot=
e:
The US government is taking a serious step toward space-based nuclear pro=
pulsion
\"NASA is looking to go to Mars with this system.\"
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/nasa-seeks-to-launch-a-nuclear-powe=
red-rocket-engine-in-four-years/

They have money burning a hole in their pocket.


Finally!
But
?
Uranium reactor falls to back earth in a few hundred years?

That\'s their ( Earth 100 years from now ) problem.

Same attitude taken by the reckless nuclear weapon manufacturing people, wh=
ose left-behind waste is now costing over $100B to clean up, if it can even=
be done..

Yes that is one way to look at it,
OTOH we need all the [nuclear] power we can bring online to protect ourselves
from the changing climate (if it was caused by us or not).
3 days return trip to Mars and a cheap ticket...
why not.
Now they go to Greece and get burned ...
for a holiday...

But really I am all for nuclear propulsion, where do they get that hydrogen from?
Melting icy comets found on the way?

There was project Orion pusher plates:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)

And the UK had project Daedalus:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus
Not much fusion yet... always 30 years in the future.

And after WW3 everything will radiate anyways... so what difference does a few nuclear rectors raining on your head make...
All is relative!

 

[Ricky]

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:55:26 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The US government is taking a serious step toward space-based nuclear propulsion
\"NASA is looking to go to Mars with this system.\"
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/nasa-seeks-to-launch-a-nuclear-powered-rocket-engine-in-four-years/
They have money burning a hole in their pocket.

Finally!
But
?
Uranium reactor falls to back earth in a few hundred years?
That\'s their ( Earth 100 years from now ) problem.

Same attitude taken by the reckless nuclear weapon manufacturing people, whose left-behind waste is now costing over $100B to clean up, if it can even be done..

But civilian use of nuclear power is perfectly safe with zero impact on future generations.

--

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On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 00:51:10 UTC+2, Ricky wrote:

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:55:26 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The US government is taking a serious step toward space-based nuclear propulsion
\"NASA is looking to go to Mars with this system.\"
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/nasa-seeks-to-launch-a-nuclear-powered-rocket-engine-in-four-years/
They have money burning a hole in their pocket.

Finally!
But
?
Uranium reactor falls to back earth in a few hundred years?
That\'s their ( Earth 100 years from now ) problem.

Same attitude taken by the reckless nuclear weapon manufacturing people, whose left-behind waste is now costing over $100B to clean up, if it can even be done..
But civilian use of nuclear power is perfectly safe with zero impact on future generations.

--

Nuclear waste kills millions long-term

Fukushima disaster can kill 10M long-term
,..,,.,.,.,.


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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
<manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in
<cb14f1a1-731c-4e8d-97c6-42a4c6e8e892n@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 00:51:10 UTC+2, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrot=
e:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:55:26 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje =
wrote:
The US government is taking a serious step toward space-based nuclear=
propulsion
\"NASA is looking to go to Mars with this system.\"
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/nasa-seeks-to-launch-a-nuclear-=
powered-rocket-engine-in-four-years/
They have money burning a hole in their pocket.

Finally!
But
?
Uranium reactor falls to back earth in a few hundred years?
That\'s their ( Earth 100 years from now ) problem.

Same attitude taken by the reckless nuclear weapon manufacturing people=
, whose left-behind waste is now costing over $100B to clean up, if it can =
even be done..
But civilian use of nuclear power is perfectly safe with zero impact on f=
uture generations.

--


Nuclear waste kills millions long-term

Fukushima disaster can kill 10M long-term

I dunno
I have been exposed to Chernobyl fallout here many years ago, no known effects.
Our DNA has repair mechanisms.
Wildlife is flourishing in the forbidden area around Chernobyl.

Our species and other ones, life, must have evolved in much higher radiation levels.

 

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[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 5:46:37 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:21:55 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
c6e2d96e-f2ab-449e...@googlegroups.com>:

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:55:26 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrot=
e:
The US government is taking a serious step toward space-based nuclear pro> >pulsion
\"NASA is looking to go to Mars with this system.\"
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/nasa-seeks-to-launch-a-nuclear-powe> >red-rocket-engine-in-four-years/

They have money burning a hole in their pocket.


Finally!
But
?
Uranium reactor falls to back earth in a few hundred years?

That\'s their ( Earth 100 years from now ) problem.

Same attitude taken by the reckless nuclear weapon manufacturing people, wh=
ose left-behind waste is now costing over $100B to clean up, if it can even=
be done..

Yes that is one way to look at it,
OTOH we need all the [nuclear] power we can bring online to protect ourselves
from the changing climate (if it was caused by us or not).
3 days return trip to Mars and a cheap ticket...
why not.
Now they go to Greece and get burned ...
for a holiday...

The group building nuclear weapons is very different from the groups building out nuclear reactors for power generation. The people making weapons use the reactors to produce very high grade material to be used to make bombs. Most of that weapons stuff was done in the 50s-70s and apparently was not scrutinized by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, if it even existed back then, may have been the Atomic Energy Commission. These days NRC examines every bit of planning, drawings, and engineering of proposed power generation plants in microscopic detail and takes the better part of a decade doing it. The weapons plant in Hanford, Washington state, is a case study in criminal negligence. They have major underground radioactive leakage. All the reactors were built on the Columbia River to provide cooling, and now the unbelievably high strength waste is working its way into the river, to be carried to the northwest Pacific coast where it will poison everything in sight.

A bit hysterical but basically factual:

https://therevelator.org/hanford-nuclear-book/

But really I am all for nuclear propulsion, where do they get that hydrogen from?
Melting icy comets found on the way?

There was project Orion pusher plates:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)

And the UK had project Daedalus:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus
Not much fusion yet... always 30 years in the future.

And after WW3 everything will radiate anyways... so what difference does a few nuclear rectors raining on your head make...
All is relative!

 

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On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 06:57:28 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
mant...@gmail.com> wrote in
cb14f1a1-731c-4e8d...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 00:51:10 UTC+2, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrot=
e:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:55:26 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje =
wrote:
The US government is taking a serious step toward space-based nuclear> > propulsion
\"NASA is looking to go to Mars with this system.\"
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/nasa-seeks-to-launch-a-nuclear-> >powered-rocket-engine-in-four-years/
They have money burning a hole in their pocket.

Finally!
But
?
Uranium reactor falls to back earth in a few hundred years?
That\'s their ( Earth 100 years from now ) problem.

Same attitude taken by the reckless nuclear weapon manufacturing people=
, whose left-behind waste is now costing over $100B to clean up, if it can =
even be done..
But civilian use of nuclear power is perfectly safe with zero impact on f> >uture generations.

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Nuclear waste kills millions long-term

Fukushima disaster can kill 10M long-term
I dunno
I have been exposed to Chernobyl fallout here many years ago, no known effects.
Our DNA has repair mechanisms.
Wildlife is flourishing in the forbidden area around Chernobyl.

Our species and other ones, life, must have evolved in much higher radiation levels.

vide
long-term exposure to nuclear waste
vs.
short-term or a single exposure as in your case

In case of long-term exposure, DNA repair mechanisms fail to work,
resulting in cancer

Read r&d papers from Yale University on how efficient such mechanism was in case of covid

So Fukushima disaster can kill 10M long-term

if followed by Discharge of radioactive water of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power

Japan is poor country today to handle radioactive water properly

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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 28 Jul 2023 09:11:20 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
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On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 5:46:37 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote=
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On a sunny day (Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:21:55 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred B=
loggs
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On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:55:26 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje w=
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The US government is taking a serious step toward space-based nuclear =
pro=
pulsion
\"NASA is looking to go to Mars with this system.\"
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/nasa-seeks-to-launch-a-nuclear-p=
owe=
red-rocket-engine-in-four-years/

They have money burning a hole in their pocket.


Finally!
But
?
Uranium reactor falls to back earth in a few hundred years?

That\'s their ( Earth 100 years from now ) problem.

Same attitude taken by the reckless nuclear weapon manufacturing people,=
wh=
ose left-behind waste is now costing over $100B to clean up, if it can e=
ven=
be done..

Yes that is one way to look at it,
OTOH we need all the [nuclear] power we can bring online to protect ourse=
lves
from the changing climate (if it was caused by us or not).
3 days return trip to Mars and a cheap ticket...
why not.
Now they go to Greece and get burned ...
for a holiday...

The group building nuclear weapons is very different from the groups buildi=
ng out nuclear reactors for power generation. The people making weapons use=
the reactors to produce very high grade material to be used to make bombs.=
Most of that weapons stuff was done in the 50s-70s and apparently was not =
scrutinized by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, if it even existed back t=
hen, may have been the Atomic Energy Commission. These days NRC examines ev=
ery bit of planning, drawings, and engineering of proposed power generation=
plants in microscopic detail and takes the better part of a decade doing i=
t. The weapons plant in Hanford, Washington state, is a case study in crimi=
nal negligence. They have major underground radioactive leakage. All the re=
actors were built on the Columbia River to provide cooling, and now the unb=
elievably high strength waste is working its way into the river, to be car=
ried to the northwest Pacific coast where it will poison everything in sigh=
t.

A bit hysterical but basically factual:

https://therevelator.org/hanford-nuclear-book/

Well, maybe, sure points out some problems.
OTOH seems all the scientists and workers are living there happily

Over here 2 new nuclear power plants are planned, hope it will go forward
we have new elections coming, gov fell...
If it really gets hot we need electricity for aircos etc
some of the power grid here is already overloaded and big electricity using companies cannot
even get a connection anymore.
New infrastructure is needed, some coal plants have been shut down.
Die from heat now, or from radiation later?

 

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They have money burning a hole in their pocket.

Finally!
But
?
Uranium reactor falls to back earth in a few hundred years?
That\'s their ( Earth 100 years from now ) problem.

Same attitude taken by the reckless nuclear weapon manufacturing peo=
ple=
, whose left-behind waste is now costing over $100B to clean up, if it c=
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But civilian use of nuclear power is perfectly safe with zero impact o=
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Nuclear waste kills millions long-term

Fukushima disaster can kill 10M long-term
I dunno
I have been exposed to Chernobyl fallout here many years ago, no known ef=
fects.
Our DNA has repair mechanisms.
Wildlife is flourishing in the forbidden area around Chernobyl.

Our species and other ones, life, must have evolved in much higher radiat=
ion levels.


vide
long-term exposure to nuclear waste
vs.
short-term or a single exposure as in your case

In case of long-term exposure, DNA repair mechanisms fail to work,
resulting in cancer

Not really, evolution has shown we are still around as species.

DNA repair mechanisms do just that, repair DNA, is not time limited.
But can likely be not working 100% at very high radiation levels.
Wildlife is flourishing in Chernobyl\'s forbidden area.

>So Fukushima disaster can kill 10M long-term

Human beings do not live that long
Some may live shorter, but their kids will have better repair mechanisms, that is how evolution works.
The ones with the best mechanism survive.

Lower radiation levels may kill your cancer
The rest will die from US fast-food if I have to believe
what is posted here and elsewhere.

A miracle still anybody exists on this planet!



So it is not all bad...

 

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