The Truth About Faster Internet: It's Not Worth It

[Tom Gardner]

On 21/08/19 00:45, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 4:35:08 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 20/08/19 18:54, Winfield Hill wrote:
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/08/20/1450204/the-truth-about-faster-internet-its-not-worth-it

Even if someone could use the extra bandwidth, in many
cases the speed is limited by the /latency/ or by the
server.

That's doubly true when, for example, a web page needs
many independent http transactions for all the trackers
and advertising gunk.

With a slow connection, installing adblock and noscript
can noticeably speed up browsing the web.

I use an adblock on one of my browsers and some sites won't let me browse.

Yes, that is becoming irritating, just as subscription
only sites are becoming irritating.

Fortunately there are so many interesting sites on the
web that I don't have to rent out my eyeballs and brain
in order to avoid being bored.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:15:29 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
<erkole5vschk8tr6o4hies346gflpgrbv9@4ax.com>:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:08:26 -0700 (PDT), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 3:19:19 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:50:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (20 Aug 2019 10:54:32 -0700) it happened Winfield Hill
winfieldhill@yahoo.com> wrote in <qjhc4o01dvk@drn.newsguy.com>:

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/08/20/1450204/the-truth-about-faster-internet-its-not-worth-it


Essentially it is correct, I do not need faster than the 4G I have now either,

However
in the past 3G was also OK, but youtube came, and just trying CNN takes lots of bandwidth
even my online banking seems to take MBs just to log in.

So when 5G comes, advertisers will find stuff to send to you
that takes Giga Bytes, and for you to see anything at all you will need the high speed.
It has always been that way, this is also the reason TV moved from DVB-S to DVB-S2 and DVB-T to DVB-T2 here
and ever and ever higher resolutions,
while 80% of the people cannot even see the pixels.
It is all about advertising,

This is why Usenet and some text based groups have a much higher information content
than all those blurbs, it is still free of advertising.

I use an ad blocker, and if sites want me to switch it off I just go to an other site,
This reduces bandwidth, usage, I am still below 10 GB a month.

I can see a future where people can no longer read and write but use smartphones
with icons to express there needs and emotions (emotions)...

But why do people text, when they could talk?

Because it's an easier, better way to communicate short messages?

"Running late, be there at 6?"


I can say that faster than I can type that, especially while riding a
bicycle.

Why would you want to call, bother someone, just to communicate that?

We should invent a voice operated equivalent to texting. Maybe some
day we'll have the technology.

Texting seems to be a modern narcotic. A lot of people do it
constantly. What do they have to say?

I never text. I left my phone up at the cabin two weeks ago and don't
miss it. Well, the clock and calendar are handy. I've never owned a
wristwatch.

I rarely text, but sometimes it is more convenient
to send numbers etc, 'I payed ... into your account nr xxx'

Also for emergency I carry the phone always (used last week).
I have a nice waterproof radio watch,
http://panteltje.com/pub/radio_watch_IMG_6569.JPG
with a sextant
http://panteltje.com/pub/davis_sextant_IMG_6556.JPG
you can use it to get your position at sea, if GPS GLONASS Beidou and Galileo fails that is,

And I always carry a digital camera, either a big Canon and / or this one
http://panteltje.com/pub/user_manual_hd1080p_wearable_camera_IMG_6690.JPG

And on space travel of course the replicator and

 

[Martin Brown]

On 20/08/2019 23:40, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 22:44:04 +0100, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 20/08/2019 20:19, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:50:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:


I can see a future where people can no longer read and write but use smartphones
with icons to express there needs and emotions (emotions)...

But why do people text, when they could talk?

Think of it as an asynchronous form of email where the recipient doesn't
have to drop everything to respond but gets a ping. It is really good
for short non-urgent messages like "get some milk on your way home".

But why type that and walk into a light pole? Don't we have
voice-to-text technology? Send a text, but speak it!

I am no fan of people walking into street furniture or stepping out into
the road without looking whilst texting. I am convinces that the
Neatherthall brow will be making a come-back if it continues.

But you can still send it by SMS. Voice to text doesn't work well in a
noisy environment. My Alexa sometimes responds to random soundalikes for
her name off the radio interpreting whatever comes next as a command.

News items about Google's Alexa or Apple's Siri interface can get all of
the smart devices yabbering at the same time.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 12:54:57 PM UTC-5, Winfield Hill wrote:

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/08/20/1450204/the-truth-about-faster-internet-its-not-worth-it


--
Thanks,
- Win

Well here my CAT5 cable broke and I ran bookie phone line to the basement. I also mismeasured and have a tone of extra rolled up on top of a furnace duct. It's 24-12, 24 ga. 12 conductior solid. I am limited to 10 MBS because it doesn't have the right twists and whatever. still, videos stream just fine, I get a 20MB manual in seconds. The only lag I am pretty sure is not me.

I got a good version of Firefox and it shows what it is doing, it shows looking up this searching for that, loading ads from google.ads.whatever and all this. The problem is the websites that have to connect to fifty other websites to load. And even Firefox won't stop it sometimes. Usually you hit the Esc and it stops dead in its tracks but some sites start over again and you have to hold the Esc key down. However the nice part is the mouse still worked so I can scroll the article.

Friend of mine on the other hand needs faster because he works at home and deals with huge files and it does make a difference. So he pays about three times as much.

At my house I had second level DSL, we had three PCs on P2P downloading maybe 10-20 files at a time as well as be on a live chat site with videos. (Paltalk)

Well they have to sell something to pay the bills.

However I can see what is going to happen, websites are going to get more and more bloated and the problem won't be videos that freezes up, it will be just loading a page. I wrote a guy a webpage, with pictures and all it was barely 4MB, then someone rewrote it in modern language and it is ten times that. And it looks identical except I had a stationary background, they couldn't do it. Also doing that in HTML it only seemed to work in IE. No other browser understood, umm,
bodybg properties="fixed"
I think was the command.

It is going to get bloated just like the OS. We are all going top have 55GB/sec and because these web designers don't know when to stop it will still take as long to load a page. We'll have 128GB RAM, 250TB drive, a 150GHz processor and they'll find way to slow it down.

Me thinkst they art selling new hardware...

Still we'll be back where we started but that is progress.

 

Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in news:ELY6F.32601
$Nw3.2572@fx40.am4:

With SMSs and emails, they write when it is convenient for
them, I read when it is convenient for me.

Cute. I am sure you are a joy to work with. More likely get read by
you if posted here, eh?

 

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:erkole5vschk8tr6o4hies346gflpgrbv9@4ax.com:

constantly. What do they have to say?

I never text. I left my phone up at the cabin two weeks ago and
don't
miss it. Well, the clock and calendar are handy. I've never owned a
wristwatch.

I use mine to look at the weather so I can see what is rolling in.

I grab movies with it.

I look at the bus schedules in various cities.

I look at the planet locations at night.

I use the map app.

I play Euchre on it whenever I ride the bus.

That is my paid phone.

I also have an obama phone that still works so, hey... why
complain. That is the phone I take calls on.

 

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:erkole5vschk8tr6o4hies346gflpgrbv9@4ax.com:

We should invent a voice operated equivalent to texting. Maybe some
day we'll have the technology.

It is called voice messaging.

Folks do not retrieve and their limited 'inbox' 'fills up'.

Sad but true.

Also it it logistically a PITA. One has to dial up their voicemail
box and type in the passcode and then walk through each message.

I should be able to look at 'my contacts' and select any one and
make a voice message and send, and not worry about it.

And the recieve should be the same as well.

Texts work that way, but voice messages add extra steps that cause
folks to use that method less or not at all.

 

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:9cholel72c23djttc0ri62lbhtsgaampm2@4ax.com:

At work, we have symmetric 400+400 over our dish on the roof. That's
nice for sending big PDFs and doing giant Dropbox syncs.

Did you ever actually test it for truth in numbers?

Oh wait. You are talking megabit not megabyte right?

The out is fast but that in number is a little weak if you are
talking bits.

 

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:9cholel72c23djttc0ri62lbhtsgaampm2@4ax.com:

I do big uploads, which the kids don't do. When the upload speed
gets
way below 1M, that slows things down.

Outgoing rate on a cable provided Internet hooks is always slower.
It is throttled right there in the modem. Look up the modem specs.

The providers always consider users to be more of a DL crowd, as
uploaders can many times be uploading data that may be of
questionable nature (another reason).

I get well over 100Mb/s rates already.

I DL a Linux daily each day at 13.6MB/s. Do the math. I grab a
movie file every now and then as well, and they are typically 2.5 to
3.5 MB/s incoming.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:15:05 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:9cholel72c23djttc0ri62lbhtsgaampm2@4ax.com:

At work, we have symmetric 400+400 over our dish on the roof. That's
nice for sending big PDFs and doing giant Dropbox syncs.


Did you ever actually test it for truth in numbers?

We agreed to pay Monkey Brains for 50+50. We're actually getting about
400+400.

Oh wait. You are talking megabit not megabyte right?

The out is fast but that in number is a little weak if you are
talking bits.

Bits of course. That's what we contracted for and what the speed test
sites report.

https://www.speedtest.net/

Gigabit Ethernet is also spec'd in, umm, bits.

Is 400 Mbits slow? 400 MBytes would be 3.2 Gbits/sec, or more with
some 8B10B overhead.

 

[Joerg]

On 2019-08-20 10:54, Winfield Hill wrote:

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/08/20/1450204/the-truth-about-faster-internet-its-not-worth-it

I now have 60GB/sec. The 6GB/sec I had before were already more than
enough. I took it because it was cheaper when bundled with phone. This
was the lowest (!) speed tier they had on offer. The highest was
1GB/sec. Who on earth needs that in a private residence?

Now I also have a smart phone after being a hold-out for a long time.
The lowest cost data package is 1GB for 30 days, $5. I typically use
about 0.01GB of that and then it expires.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

 

>We should invent a voice operated equivalent to texting. Maybe >someday we'll have the technology.

We got it, I know someone who has it one their smartphone. In fact even on my big phone I can just talk to google and get it to search.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 1:54:57 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/08/20/1450204/the-truth-about-faster-internet-its-not-worth-it


--
Thanks,
- Win

Upload speed on Broadband is limited because there isn't much bandwidth in the return channels in CATV systems The 'T' Return channels are only 46.5MHz total, while modern CATV systems work up to over 900MHz forward. Also, they use 'Fiber Enhanced Cable' to handle the data to break the system into smaller blocks.

https://www.tonercable.com/pdf/FREQCHARTNAMER.pdf

Another file that's useful is:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=21&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjc74OUr5nkAhWkiOAKHUSvCkwQFjAUegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.arris.com%2Fglobalassets%2Fresources%2Fother%2Fcable_technology_pocket_guide.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3BXuBa8ZAFp9m5iP_8APDg

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:erkole5vschk8tr6o4hies346gflpgrbv9@4ax.com:


We should invent a voice operated equivalent to texting. Maybe some
day we'll have the technology.


It is called voice messaging.

Folks do not retrieve and their limited 'inbox' 'fills up'.

Sad but true.

Also it it logistically a PITA. One has to dial up their voicemail
box and type in the passcode and then walk through each message.

Not with visual voicemail. I see a list of all the messages left, with the caller name, if known, plus a brief voice to text of the beginning of the message. I can choose any one to listen to or delete. I haven't used a pass code in years either.

I should be able to look at 'my contacts' and select any one and
make a voice message and send, and not worry about it.

Interesting idea, but people seem very happy with texts for that purpose. And texts have the advantage that it's in text, so if you're sending information like numbers, addresses, there is no confusion.

And the recieve should be the same as well.

Texts work that way, but voice messages add extra steps that cause
folks to use that method less or not at all.

But vast majority of the times I leave a voice message it's a second choice, because the person did not answer. I really wanted to talk to them and most often the msg is just to call me back, or that I called and missed you, etc.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:fb9a6051-2653-4022-8d07-9f172ef4969e@googlegroups.com:

so if you're sending information like numbers, addresses, there is
no confusion.

Audio acuity of transmitters is pretty good these days. Not sure I
want to communicate with someone unable to discern vocalized numerics.
I articulate pretty well.

This ain't scratchy old wartime radios and codespeak era. Over.

 

Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c1993543-8f5d-4044-aadf-d97943ee2493@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 1:54:57 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill
wrote:
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/08/20/1450204/the-truth-about-f
aster-i
nternet-its-not-worth-it


--
Thanks,
- Win

Upload speed on Broadband is limited because there isn't much
bandwidth in the return channels in CATV systems The 'T' Return
channels are only 46.5MHz total, while modern CATV systems work up
to over 900MHz forward. Also, they use 'Fiber Enhanced Cable' to
handle the data to break the system into smaller blocks.

https://www.tonercable.com/pdf/FREQCHARTNAMER.pdf

Another file that's useful is:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=21&ca
d=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjc74OUr5nkAhWkiOAKHUSvCkwQFjAUegQIAhAC&url=
https%3A%2F%2Fwww.arris.com%2Fglobalassets%2Fresources%2Fother%2Fca
ble_technology_pocket_guide.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3BXuBa8ZAFp9m5iP_8APDg

The only truly informative, useful thing I've ever seen you post.
Very useful, and full of info and cable formulas too.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Friday, August 23, 2019 at 8:28:15 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:fb9a6051-2653-4022-8d07-9f172ef4969e@googlegroups.com:

so if you're sending information like numbers, addresses, there is
no confusion.

Audio acuity of transmitters is pretty good these days.

Sure it is, that's why verbal is the preferred method for important things, like account numbers, phone numbers, shipping addresses, prescriptions, etc. Wrong, always wrong.

Not sure I
> want to communicate with someone unable to discern vocalized numerics.

No loss there.

I articulate pretty well.

Not from what I see here.

This ain't scratchy old wartime radios and codespeak era. Over.

Figures you'd introduce more BS, ie "code".

It's really simple. Sending something like a phone number or address via text is easy and very accurate and a better method than voice mail. Anyone who has used both, has had to play back some voice mails many times to be able to get the numbers or other info, should know that. And then what do you have to do? Write it down anyway. With a text that is already done, by the other party and you can refer to it anytime in a few seconds, no need to screw around with voice mail, listening to minutes of BS to get to the number, name, etc that you need and then get to figure out what some fast speaker with a heavy accent is saying.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:ce90edff-5281-4130-
9021-f1ca6dd9e7eb@googlegroups.com:

> It's really simple.

Ramble much, you pathetic, inane, ineducable, uneducated, self
impotent, childish twerp?

Play that back many times, only to find that the key word is at the
end.

It's really simple. You're a childish twerp.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:ce90edff-5281-4130-
9021-f1ca6dd9e7eb@googlegroups.com:

This ain't scratchy old wartime radios and codespeak era. Over.

Figures you'd introduce more BS, ie "code".

You really have no grasp of word meanings.

In this context, you fucking nitwit, it refers to the "roger" and
"over" and "alpha-mike-victor" stuff.

You really are a fucking childish punk motherfucker, boy.
Goddamn! Grow up dingus con.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:ce90edff-5281-4130-9021-f1ca6dd9e7eb@googlegroups.com:

Sure it is, that's why verbal is the preferred method for
important things, like account numbers, phone numbers, shipping
addresses, prescriptions, etc. Wrong, always wrong.

Phones take spoken data strings all the time. You are the one unable
to get it, and severely behind the times.