The nuts are becoming dominant

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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spamtrap1888 wrote:

On Sep 10, 3:50 pm, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:27:33 -0500, Jeffrey Angus <grendel...@aim.com
wrote:

On 9/9/2011 10:42 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I'm not so sure. I had the greatest respect for some usenet
luminaries, until I met them in person. It's difficult to get a
good
picture of even regular posters.

I wasn't that bad was I?
Jeff-1.0

Well, I had the advantage of hearing you talk on the air, so my
initial impression was fairly accurate. People write very differently
than they talk. It's far too easy to misinterpret someones writing.
It's less difficult after you talk with them. Other times, it's
differences in culture. For example, I don't get along too well with
the tatoo and piercing people, even if they are intelligent. My
problem, not theirs.

Perception is everything.

There's a distinction between the tattoo people and the piercing
people, as our niece pointed out: The hardware comes out easily, and
the holes closes or go unnoticed. Tattoos require a lot more work to
eradicate.


A belt sander with a # 80 grit belt, or a strong acid works. ;-)


--
Click to expand...
Or the UK.D-I-Y answer to all problems - "Angle grinder " ! ...

Arfa
 
Arfa Daily wrote:
wrote:

spamtrap1888 wrote:

There's a distinction between the tattoo people and the piercing
people, as our niece pointed out: The hardware comes out easily, and
the holes closes or go unnoticed. Tattoos require a lot more work to
eradicate.

A belt sander with a # 80 grit belt, or a strong acid works. ;-)

Or the UK.D-I-Y answer to all problems - "Angle grinder " ! ...
Click to expand...

You only have ONE? I have at least three of them that work, with
different types of wheels mounted. Two more are MIA and one has a
broken handle. It snapped off when I was cutting off a six inch well
casing flush with the concrete floor of my well house. :)

You can buy them for about $10 at Harbor Freight, quite often.
Having spare tools makes it a lot easier to finish a job when you don't
have to hobble out to the main shop and try to carry a bunch of tools
around. I used to be able to carry a 150 pound color TV from the truck
& into a house, and up several flights of stairs without breathing
hard. Now, I have trouble holding any power tool that vibrates. My
hands quickly go numb, and I drop them. :(


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.
 
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:18:01 -0500, Jeffrey Angus <grendelair@aim.com>
wrote:

Typically, and unfortunately, an abundance of tattoos and
piercings means, "Do Not Hire Me."
Click to expand...
In 1992, the Peoples Republic of Santa Cruz (City) passed an ordinance
making it illegal to discriminate by hiring on the basis of personal
appearance. It was originally intended to protect overweight and
obese employees, but rapidly expanded into tattoos and such. They
change "personal appearance" to a more vague "physical
characteristics". The standard joke is that the only legal way to
interview a prospective employee is over the telephone.

<http://www.codepublishing.com/CA/SantaCruz/html/SantaCruz09/SantaCruz0983.html>

<http://books.google.com/books?id=ZxMdBvu-noQC&lpg=PA2&ots=OCXroSW-fS&dq=santa%20cruz%20gives%20tentative%20ok%20to%20law%20on%20personal%20appearance&pg=PA2#v=onepage&q&f=false>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On 9/12/2011 1:31 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
The standard joke is that the only legal way to
interview a prospective employee is over the telephone.
Click to expand...
How do you interview a guy who stutters then?

Jeff


--
"Everything from Crackers to Coffins"
 
On 12/09/2011 02:15, Arfa Daily wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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spamtrap1888 wrote:

On Sep 10, 3:50 pm, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:27:33 -0500, Jeffrey Angus <grendel...@aim.com
wrote:

On 9/9/2011 10:42 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I'm not so sure. I had the greatest respect for some usenet
luminaries, until I met them in person. It's difficult to get a
good
picture of even regular posters.

I wasn't that bad was I?
Jeff-1.0

Well, I had the advantage of hearing you talk on the air, so my
initial impression was fairly accurate. People write very differently
than they talk. It's far too easy to misinterpret someones writing.
It's less difficult after you talk with them. Other times, it's
differences in culture. For example, I don't get along too well with
the tatoo and piercing people, even if they are intelligent. My
problem, not theirs.

Perception is everything.

There's a distinction between the tattoo people and the piercing
people, as our niece pointed out: The hardware comes out easily, and
the holes closes or go unnoticed. Tattoos require a lot more work to
eradicate.


A belt sander with a # 80 grit belt, or a strong acid works. ;-)


--

Or the UK.D-I-Y answer to all problems - "Angle grinder " ! ...

Arfa
Click to expand...
Funny you should say that
http://tastelikepizza.com/item/2011/08/tattoo-removal-wtf

Safe but some of site NSFW


Ron
 
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:0j8r67lrsr4f1crdqal0qpdnm8d5n8827g@4ax.com:

On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:18:01 -0500, Jeffrey Angus <grendelair@aim.com
wrote:

Typically, and unfortunately, an abundance of tattoos and
piercings means, "Do Not Hire Me."

In 1992, the Peoples Republic of Santa Cruz (City) passed an ordinance
making it illegal to discriminate by hiring on the basis of personal
appearance. It was originally intended to protect overweight and
obese employees, but rapidly expanded into tattoos and such. They
change "personal appearance" to a more vague "physical
characteristics". The standard joke is that the only legal way to
interview a prospective employee is over the telephone.

http://www.codepublishing.com/CA/SantaCruz/html/SantaCruz09/SantaCruz09
83.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZxMdBvu-noQC&lpg=PA2&ots=OCXroSW-fS&dq
=santa%20cruz%20gives%20tentative%20ok%20to%20law%20on%20personal%20appe
arance&pg=PA2#v=onepage&q&f=false
Click to expand...
considering that overweight and obese workers add a lot to a company's
healthcare costs,and take more sick time,it's understandable that employers
would want to avoid hiring them.(Plus,they're rough on the furniture....)

WRT tats/piercings,a person's appearance could turn away customers.
I get creeped out by people with facial piercings.
(nose pearl studs look like boogers.)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
 
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:44:29 -0500, Jeffrey Angus <grendelair@aim.com>
wrote:

On 9/12/2011 1:31 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
The standard joke is that the only legal way to
interview a prospective employee is over the telephone.

How do you interview a guy who stutters then?
Jeff
Click to expand...
Easy. By cell phone or with my VoIP phone (w/o QoS). Either will
make everyone sound like they were gargling ball bearings. The
stutter would never be noticed.

The problem with such ordinances is that they are being interpreted as
the employer is not allowed to discriminate on ANY basis. Also,
"appearance discrimination" is being interpreted as a form of racial
discriminiation". Tattoos are just a minor part of the mess. To the
best of my limited knowledge, there have been no judgements solely
involving tattoos in Santa Cruz, yet.

Drivel: Military Tattoo Policy Summary:
<http://www.atlantictattooremoval.com/military_tattoo_policies.html>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:03:04 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
<spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote:

Drivel:  Military Tattoo Policy Summary:
http://www.atlantictattooremoval.com/military_tattoo_policies.html

Weird that the webpage summary lies in that only the Coast Guard
prohibits hand tattoos. The Air Force prohibits tats that cover more
than 1/4 of the body part. The Marine Corps prohibits "sleeves" --
unless the wearer was a Marine at the time the policy was adopted.
Click to expand...
From the top of the page:
Most branches are uniformly using the "no hands, no head,
or neck rule"

One of my neighbors recently left the Army. No tattoos. He mumbled
something like it was NOT acceptable to have tattoos when one enlists,
but once in service, as long as they're not visible, most anything
respectable is acceptable. However, I don't know if I heard it
correctly or if it's true.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On Sep 12, 9:02 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:44:29 -0500, Jeffrey Angus <grendel...@aim.com
wrote:

On 9/12/2011 1:31 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
The standard joke is that the only legal way to
interview a prospective employee is over the telephone.
How do you interview a guy who stutters then?
Jeff

Easy.  By cell phone or with my VoIP phone (w/o QoS).  Either will
make everyone sound like they were gargling ball bearings.  The
stutter would never be noticed.

The problem with such ordinances is that they are being interpreted as
the employer is not allowed to discriminate on ANY basis.  Also,
"appearance discrimination" is being interpreted as a form of racial
discriminiation".  Tattoos are just a minor part of the mess.  To the
best of my limited knowledge, there have been no judgements solely
involving tattoos in Santa Cruz, yet.

Drivel:  Military Tattoo Policy Summary:
http://www.atlantictattooremoval.com/military_tattoo_policies.html
Click to expand...
Weird that the webpage summary lies in that only the Coast Guard
prohibits hand tattoos. The Air Force prohibits tats that cover more
than 1/4 of the body part. The Marine Corps prohibits "sleeves" --
unless the wearer was a Marine at the time the policy was adopted.
 
"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:t79s67htb9okufuijoavej6rlnn6v61io3@4ax.com...
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:44:29 -0500, Jeffrey Angus <grendelair@aim.com
wrote:

On 9/12/2011 1:31 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
The standard joke is that the only legal way to
interview a prospective employee is over the telephone.

How do you interview a guy who stutters then?
Jeff

Easy. By cell phone or with my VoIP phone (w/o QoS). Either will
make everyone sound like they were gargling ball bearings. The
stutter would never be noticed.

The problem with such ordinances is that they are being interpreted as
the employer is not allowed to discriminate on ANY basis. Also,
"appearance discrimination" is being interpreted as a form of racial
discriminiation". Tattoos are just a minor part of the mess. To the
best of my limited knowledge, there have been no judgements solely
involving tattoos in Santa Cruz, yet.

Drivel: Military Tattoo Policy Summary:
http://www.atlantictattooremoval.com/military_tattoo_policies.html

--
Jeff Liebermann
Click to expand...
They're looking at changing the 'rules' regarding visible tattoos on police
officers over here at the moment. Some bright spark has suggested that
putting them on view by allowing officers that have them to wear
short-sleeved shirts, will somehow improve their street cred, and allow them
to relate better to the feral little scrotes that they're trying to police
in our out-of-control towns. It's already getting hard to tell the officers
from the offenders, what with the paramilitary 'uniforms', complete with
bovver boots and baseball caps over shaven heads. It'll be impossible if we
have all the tats on display, as well ... :-\

Arfa
 
"Ron" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
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On 12/09/2011 02:15, Arfa Daily wrote:


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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spamtrap1888 wrote:

On Sep 10, 3:50 pm, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:27:33 -0500, Jeffrey Angus
grendel...@aim.com
wrote:

On 9/9/2011 10:42 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I'm not so sure. I had the greatest respect for some usenet
luminaries, until I met them in person. It's difficult to get a
good
picture of even regular posters.

I wasn't that bad was I?
Jeff-1.0

Well, I had the advantage of hearing you talk on the air, so my
initial impression was fairly accurate. People write very differently
than they talk. It's far too easy to misinterpret someones writing.
It's less difficult after you talk with them. Other times, it's
differences in culture. For example, I don't get along too well with
the tatoo and piercing people, even if they are intelligent. My
problem, not theirs.

Perception is everything.

There's a distinction between the tattoo people and the piercing
people, as our niece pointed out: The hardware comes out easily, and
the holes closes or go unnoticed. Tattoos require a lot more work to
eradicate.


A belt sander with a # 80 grit belt, or a strong acid works. ;-)


--

Or the UK.D-I-Y answer to all problems - "Angle grinder " ! ...

Arfa

Funny you should say that
http://tastelikepizza.com/item/2011/08/tattoo-removal-wtf

Safe but some of site NSFW


Ron
Click to expand...
WTF indeed. The twat having it done deserves to get an infected arm, and
those doing it, assisting, and filming it, deserve to get dragged to court
for assault, and for publicising such irresponsible behaviour. Jeez but
there's some nutcases about ...

Arfa
 
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:t79s67htb9okufuijoavej6rlnn6v61io3@4ax.com:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:44:29 -0500, Jeffrey Angus <grendelair@aim.com
wrote:

On 9/12/2011 1:31 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
The standard joke is that the only legal way to
interview a prospective employee is over the telephone.

How do you interview a guy who stutters then?
Jeff

Easy. By cell phone or with my VoIP phone (w/o QoS). Either will
make everyone sound like they were gargling ball bearings. The
stutter would never be noticed.

The problem with such ordinances is that they are being interpreted as
the employer is not allowed to discriminate on ANY basis. Also,
"appearance discrimination" is being interpreted as a form of racial
discriminiation". Tattoos are just a minor part of the mess. To the
best of my limited knowledge, there have been no judgements solely
involving tattoos in Santa Cruz, yet.

Drivel: Military Tattoo Policy Summary:
http://www.atlantictattooremoval.com/military_tattoo_policies.html
Click to expand...
the solution is to relocate your business OUT of Santa Cruz.
move back to America.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
 
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:13:34 -0500, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
wrote:

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:t79s67htb9okufuijoavej6rlnn6v61io3@4ax.com:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:44:29 -0500, Jeffrey Angus <grendelair@aim.com
wrote:

On 9/12/2011 1:31 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
The standard joke is that the only legal way to
interview a prospective employee is over the telephone.

How do you interview a guy who stutters then?
Jeff

Easy. By cell phone or with my VoIP phone (w/o QoS). Either will
make everyone sound like they were gargling ball bearings. The
stutter would never be noticed.

The problem with such ordinances is that they are being interpreted as
the employer is not allowed to discriminate on ANY basis. Also,
"appearance discrimination" is being interpreted as a form of racial
discriminiation". Tattoos are just a minor part of the mess. To the
best of my limited knowledge, there have been no judgements solely
involving tattoos in Santa Cruz, yet.

Drivel: Military Tattoo Policy Summary:
http://www.atlantictattooremoval.com/military_tattoo_policies.html

the solution is to relocate your business OUT of Santa Cruz.
move back to America.
Click to expand...
Actually, the functional solution was for me to not have any
employees. While it effectively prevented me from expanding my
business while the economy was still functional, it also avoided many
of the socialist pitfalls that such laws tend to attract. Other than
the local government and ever present homeless bums, I like Santa Cruz
very much.

I had a conversation with a local appellate court judge yesterday. He
indicated that he's heard no cases involving "appearance
discrimination" since the law was enacted. No clue on how many cases
were heard by the lower courts, or settled out of court. Digging
through LexisNexis and LexisWeb, I found that there had been some
cases in other municipalities that have similar ordinances. None
looked particularly frivolous and seemed justified, such as expelling
a nursing school student for being too fat. I couldn't find anything
involving tattoos.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
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