The fires.

[Lord Garth]

"Clifford Heath" <no@spam.please.net> wrote in message
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For that matter, I'd like to see specialised auto insurance
for folk born in Asia, and other insurers allowed to refuse
them or demand a driving skills test. This after my 40yo
classic Italian car was wrecked in December, by a driver whose
eyes were the wrong shape to see me stationary right in front
of him. Some might scream racism - but I worked in insurance
for a while, and the Asians there reckoned that this *Asian*
insurance company shouldn't insure Asians, acknowledging they
simply can't drive. It's not the race, it's the lack of sport
in their upbringing, I maintain.

Clifford Heath.

Here in the states, there is a running joke about
how you blind an Asian....

Answer: Put a windscreen in front of them.

 

[atec 77]

Lord Garth wrote:

"Clifford Heath" <no@spam.please.net> wrote in message
news:4993ae2e$0$7216$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
For that matter, I'd like to see specialised auto insurance
for folk born in Asia, and other insurers allowed to refuse
them or demand a driving skills test. This after my 40yo
classic Italian car was wrecked in December, by a driver whose
eyes were the wrong shape to see me stationary right in front
of him. Some might scream racism - but I worked in insurance
for a while, and the Asians there reckoned that this *Asian*
insurance company shouldn't insure Asians, acknowledging they
simply can't drive. It's not the race, it's the lack of sport
in their upbringing, I maintain.

Clifford Heath.

Here in the states, there is a running joke about
how you blind an Asian....

Answer: Put a windscreen in front of them.



or use some dental floss

 

[terryc]

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:26:09 +1100, Mr.T wrote:

Not to mention that leaking oxygen makes a burning match a flaming
torch.

Not to mention air fills are far cheaper than oxygen, so why bother!

I mention this danger in the vain hope that we might save a few idiots.

<oh bugger, why am i opposing Darwin?>
..

 

[terryc]

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:29:04 +1100, Mr.T wrote:

"terryc" <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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The problem with your lower figures is that you are thinking healthy
people.

Unhealthy people should be evacuated very early, so no real problem.

You really should think that through. The problem is that there is no way
of telling who is going to be affected by low oxygen levels first. Some
people can climb Mt Everest without oxygen, but most use oxygen. However,
some can not even walk to base camp without having problems and there is
no way of predicting who is going to be affected.


Then there is the problem of actually evacuating a mass of "unhealthy"
people in a short time. Then you have to support them whilst they are
evacuated. How many days?

 

[terryc]

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:40:43 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:

L.A.T. wrote:
This thread can now be laid to rest.
Germaine Greer has finally told us what we did wrong.

She
is a sad old git who is desperate for the media spot light and can only

resort to ludicrous statements in an attemptto get it.

 

[Sylvia Else]

terryc wrote:

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:26:09 +1100, Mr.T wrote:

Not to mention that leaking oxygen makes a burning match a flaming
torch.
Not to mention air fills are far cheaper than oxygen, so why bother!

I mention this danger in the vain hope that we might save a few idiots.

oh bugger, why am i opposing Darwin?
.

There's a difference between idiots and people who simply have not
acquired the relevant knowledge.

An idiot is someone who lights a match in an Oxygen atmosphere despite
having been warned of the risks.

Sylvia.

 

[Mr.T]

"terryc" <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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The problem with your lower figures is that you are thinking healthy
people.

Unhealthy people should be evacuated very early, so no real problem.

The problem is that there is no way
of telling who is going to be affected by low oxygen levels first.

True, but that doesn't necessarily make them not "healthy people" as
claimed.
Life always involves some risk. Sad to think more people die in industrial
accidents each year than in bush fires, and usually get nowhere near the
support or sympathy.

Then there is the problem of actually evacuating a mass of "unhealthy"
people in a short time. Then you have to support them whilst they are
evacuated. How many days?

Who knows, why is that relevant? Nobody seems to be complaining that there
are still plenty of evacuated people being looked after at the moment. The
bigger worry is how many more have died.

MrT.

 

[MisterE]

Reports today say the fire front moved at around 100 kms per hour in some
areas.

Indeed there are a few rare videos that show the fire moving at nearly 50m
per second up a hill, im tring to find the link, it show the fire move
across 3 back yards fences in about 2 seconds, and they went back and
messured the distance to be 102m. the flames are so hot that they just set
on fire anything that the wind blows over. almost anything burns once its
hot enough, even the paint on concrete walls goes up.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2009-02-12, Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:

I'd go for compressed air, myself. Pure oxygen's toxic at atmospheric
pressure.

Sylvia.

You may want to check that Sil

nevertheless pure oxygen is not a good idea near burning stuff.

 

[ian field]

"Jasen Betts" <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in message
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On 2009-02-12, Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:


I'd go for compressed air, myself. Pure oxygen's toxic at atmospheric
pressure.

Sylvia.

You may want to check that Sil


nevertheless pure oxygen is not a good idea near burning stuff.

As I recall some time ago when there was a severe weather event in the US
South, they set about evacuating vulnerable people. A coachload of old folk
was involved in a collision and caught fire, many of the passengers had
portable oxygen bottles which caused the fire to spread so fast that no one
got out.

 

[Lord Garth]

"ian field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

As I recall some time ago when there was a severe weather event in the US
South, they set about evacuating vulnerable people. A coachload of old
folk was involved in a collision and caught fire, many of the passengers
had portable oxygen bottles which caused the fire to spread so fast that
no one got out.

Yes, it was part of the evacuation of New Orleans due to Hurricane Katrina.
The bus was uncertified for passengers. A brake started the fire and all
aboard
were killed. Something is reminding me that the driver didn't have a proper
license either.

 

[Craig Smith]

having just come home from a rotation at the fires there the amount of
people that still have unprepared places is astounding one sticks in my mind
on the road to kinglake buildings with dead bush right against them leaves
and twigs covering the roof the place is indefensible it was certainly an
eye opener the amount of ground fuel is unbelievable the whole area is still
a time bomb BTW the place i mentioned is the DSE visitors center arent
they meant to be the ones responsible for managing the land does make
you wonder how they got the nickname deptartment of scorched earth really
it is criminal just remember this is my veiw everyone is entitled to
thiers
"terryc" <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:55:35 +0000, ian field wrote:


There appears to be evidence that many people didn't attempt to leave
their house, I'm wondering why?!

People have the choice of going early or staying and defending their
property.

The CFA oppose compulsory mass evacuations as people had panicked and been
killed in accidents during these events.

A lot of people left it too late to evacuate. If you are going to
evacuate, you need to go early, very early in the day. Not wait until the
flames appear.

Lots of people had absolutely no warning. I understand that the fires in
Marysville were burnt and gone before the authorities found out that there
was a fire there.

Some of the fires were not natural in their spread.

The CFA are now saying that many people were just not prepared in any way
shape of form despite the warning that have been given out in the days
prior.

 

[Erik Vastmasd]

I'm almost certain I caught a glimpse of "Craig Smith"
<csmith@shoalhaven.net.au> on Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:14:59 GMT, writing in
aus.electronics:

having just come home from a rotation at the fires there the amount of

Apart from the top post the next thing I noticed is the absence of a spell
checker.
--

Erik

 

[Craig Smith]

i am sure you would be a great help at least you would be able to spell
correctly after getting 3 or 4 hrs sleep and 14 hr trip home i dont hide who
i am i believe what i said
"Erik Vastmasd" <erik.vastm@sd.invalid> wrote in message
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I'm almost certain I caught a glimpse of "Craig Smith"
csmith@shoalhaven.net.au> on Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:14:59 GMT, writing in
aus.electronics:

having just come home from a rotation at the fires there the amount of

Apart from the top post the next thing I noticed is the absence of a spell
checker.
--

Erik

 

[Erik Vastmasd]

I'm almost certain I caught a glimpse of "Craig Smith"
<csmith@shoalhaven.net.au> on Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:09:23 GMT, writing in
aus.electronics:

i am sure you would be a great help at least you would be able to spell
correctly after getting 3 or 4 hrs sleep and 14 hr trip home

I understand where you are coming from.
As a child your mum & dad didn't send you to school. Right?

i dont hide who i am i believe what i said

For goodness sakes, what does that mean?

I'm liable to making a typing/spelling mistake which is why I always use a
spell checker.
--

Erik, pressing F7 for a spell check then Send.