The dirty little secret of the electric car shills...

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 3:19:47 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 6:36:28 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 11:57:36 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:19:32 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 5:57:50 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

The mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

That\'s why we should go with smaller batteries for daily use, removable one for long trips, and charging stations every 30 miles. When there are enough charging stations, people won\'t need big batteries.
No. We should regulate the mining companies so they spend a little bit more on keeping their mining operations tidy. Mining doesn\'t have to be an environmental disaster, but if the companies can get a way with the cheapest possible approach (by bribing somebody like Trump) they are tempted to save money by trashing the neighourhood.

or bribing Biden to do it in China or some hidden places under control of CCP. Look like we will have four more years to complaint about our new President\'s dirty laundry.

You are the kind of gullible twit who takes Trump\'s spectacularly implausible election propaganda seriously. The rump of the Republican Party may be silly enough to do the same, but it seems unlikely.

Nobody sane would rely on China for strategic materials, and US politicians exist to get bribed by US moneyed interests. China isn\'t going to get a look in.

After Trump\'s horrible example, the bribery and corruption will probably have to be much less ostentatious for the next few years at least. It\'s conceivable that the US may eventually get it\'s act together and run the country in a way that delivers a rather better quality of life to the 99% in the lower end of the income distribution, but I\'m not all that optimistic.

Hey SL0W MAN, CONGRATULATIONS on getting something right, FINALLY - China IS bribing Biden!

Flyguy fails reading comprehension again. I don\'t think that China is bribing Biden, and I have pointed out that Trump\'s faked up election propaganda - that tries to suggest that they might have done - is totally implausible. Flyguy is much to stupid for this to have registered with him, and he\'s latched onto a line posted by somebody else and decided to attribute it to me. He is an idiot, and advertises the fact non-stop.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 8:58:35 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 3:19:47 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 6:36:28 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 11:57:36 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:19:32 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 5:57:50 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

The mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

That\'s why we should go with smaller batteries for daily use, removable one for long trips, and charging stations every 30 miles. When there are enough charging stations, people won\'t need big batteries.
No. We should regulate the mining companies so they spend a little bit more on keeping their mining operations tidy. Mining doesn\'t have to be an environmental disaster, but if the companies can get a way with the cheapest possible approach (by bribing somebody like Trump) they are tempted to save money by trashing the neighourhood.

or bribing Biden to do it in China or some hidden places under control of CCP. Look like we will have four more years to complaint about our new President\'s dirty laundry.

You are the kind of gullible twit who takes Trump\'s spectacularly implausible election propaganda seriously. The rump of the Republican Party may be silly enough to do the same, but it seems unlikely.

Nobody sane would rely on China for strategic materials, and US politicians exist to get bribed by US moneyed interests. China isn\'t going to get a look in.

After Trump\'s horrible example, the bribery and corruption will probably have to be much less ostentatious for the next few years at least. It\'s conceivable that the US may eventually get it\'s act together and run the country in a way that delivers a rather better quality of life to the 99% in the lower end of the income distribution, but I\'m not all that optimistic.

Hey SL0W MAN, CONGRATULATIONS on getting something right, FINALLY - China IS bribing Biden!

Flyguy fails reading comprehension again. I don\'t think that China is bribing Biden, and I have pointed out that Trump\'s faked up election propaganda - that tries to suggest that they might have done - is totally implausible. Flyguy is much to stupid for this to have registered with him, and he\'s latched onto a line posted by somebody else and decided to attribute it to me. He is an idiot, and advertises the fact non-stop.

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SL0W MAN, Sydney

Hey SL0W MAN, what you \"think\" really doesn\'t matter. And it shouldn\'t because you DON\'T know anything anyway. The FBI currently has a criminal investigation into the matter (they interviewed star witness Tony Bobulinski last week), and have Hunter BooBoo\'s laptop and Bobulinski\'s three cell phones that contain numerous relevant text messages and emails.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 5:40:18 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 6:17:53 AM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 4:49:11 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 8:51:20 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 2:03:06 PM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 6:36:28 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 11:57:36 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:19:32 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 5:57:50 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

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India and China have been having these stupid little border clashes for many years now - not every year, but it has happened before.

Poland had a \"stupid little border clash\" with Germany, and it was the start of WWII.

Not exactly. The German invasion of Poland was a deliberate act. It did include a faked -up \"Polish attack\", but it was any kind of stupid littel border clash.

\"The SS, in collusion with the German military, staged a phony Polish attack on a German radio station.

They are claiming sovereign rights over the ENTIRE South China Sea.

Not exactly true, but they are turning atolls into military bases, which is worrying everybody in the region.

Yes, it IS true - you are just TOO STUPID to know it!

You are much too stupid to appreciate that militarising occasional atolls isn\'t claiming sovereign rights over an entire sea, which is not something that international law recognises.

https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/territorial-disputes-south-china-sea

And they keep on talking about a takeover of Taiwan, who they claim to own.

It has been part of some Chinese empires in the past, going back to 1661. The Taiwanese population doesn\'t regard itself as Chinese, and wasn\'t that fond of Chiang-Kai Shek who retreated there with the rump of his Army after the Chinese Communsit Party kicked them off the mainland.
Tell that to the fucking Chicoms - they didn\'t get the memo.

Plus, they have stolen TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS of intellectual property from the US and many other countries.

The people who claim that their intellectual property was stolen do seem to put a very high value on it.

OF COURSE they do - this is the essence of their value.

It isn\'t, but they do like to claim this.

> https://ycharts.com/indicators/sp_500_market_cap

Quite what this graph has to do with the value of intellectual property is a mystery. The value of something is what other people will pay for it, but you have to be willing to sell it before you can make any realistic claim about what it is worth. Nobody seems to be willing to do that.

China has been playing catch-up in much the same way that Japan did a couple of decades earlier.

Just like a mugger plays \"catch up\" with their victims. Stealing property is generally frowned upon.

That\'s not what\'s going on. They have set up their own manufacturing industry, manufacturing stuff that they can sell to the rest of the world , as well as their own population. Working out what they ought to manufacture doesn\'t involve stealing anything. If they made exact copies of other peoples products - as Japan famously used to do - this would be theft of intellectual property, but they don\'t seem to . Making more of stuff that they are producing as sub-contractors than was ordered, and selling the extra production probably is theft of intellectual property, but since they got the design information as part of the contract to manufacture the stuff it\'s a bit of a stretch to compare it with mugging. Sensible people don\'t sub-contract the manufacture of complete systems, but there are plenty of people around who aren\'t all that sensible. You do seem to be one of them.

It\'s always easier to put something together that works if you can get your hands on a device that does much the same thing. You do spend a lot of your time working out why they did stuff a particular way, and often find out that it was because they were a bit stupid. Knowing that something can be done tends to be a lot more valuable than knowing how somebody did it twenty years ago, and my one encounter with a Chinese mechanical engineer (who worked at Cambridge Instruments in the UK until some American firm hired him away) lets me point out that he found a much better way of putting together a scanning electron microscope column than the one we\'d been using in Cambridge since we sold the first commercial example (and everybody else seemed to have copied).

It did rely on precision machining that hadn\'t been available back in the 1950\'s. I\'ve mentioned this here before. It was a pretty impressive piece of work.

Theft of intellectual property is THEFT - even a PhD should be able to figure that out!

Once you know something about what intellectual property entails - and you clearly haven\'t got a clue about it, whereas I\'m named as the inventor on a couple of patents - it\'s less obvious that China is doing much of it. They are training up a lot of their own engineers and scientists, and sending lots of students overseas to learn at foreign universities, just as America does. By that measure, the USA is guilty of loads of theft of intellectual property, though they aren\'t all that good at exploiting it.

If you want to make fine patterns on a silicon surface to make advanced integrated circuits, today you buy your lithography machine from ASML in the Netherlands.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney