The best CAD for simulation, design and PCB?

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In <06q%c.12764$QJ3.10670@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, on 09/07/04 at 09:54
PM,
"Clarence" <No@No.Com> said:

Your statements were too adamant to be interpreted as anything but
condemnation. With a finality that would brook no disagreement.
I objected to that.

Well, they were not my words, :) but that's okay. I know what you meant.

Also, your implication that English speakers have some problem is really
interesting. Would you suggest what language is totally unambiguous? I
should
like to learn it!

Surely the written language of the internet is the easiest to interpret, free
of ambiguity and mis-representations :)

The point I wanted to make is that if someone says "its hot outside" that is
not a statement of a fact, its an opinion. They are not required by the
"rules" of the English language, to preface it by saying "In my opinion," or
"I think" If someone asks what I think of Protel, and I say "its hard to use"
it is not necessary for me to reply "In my opinion, its hard to use" but the
reader IS required to understand that the "in my opinion" is implied, in
order
to avoid just what you read into the statement. That is what I meant. No
attempt to defame or insult those who use the language.

When someone says Protel is hard to use, it ought not be construed to mean
that they are the all knowing, fact bearing God of Protel. Its just their
opinion, even tho they do not say "in my opinion"

The original poster asked about what Cad package he might use, and IIRC, I
got
involved by saying that he/she ought to avoid Protel, and then I made it a
point to state that some will disagree, so I guess I at least got that right
g

Those who do not stop and consider the "unwritten rules" will sometimes be
confused by someone making a statement, since it can appear to be some kind
of
all-knowing commentary, when in fact, it was just an opinion.

If someone replies to the inquiry and says "Protel is not a good platform"
those words are simply an opinion. Not a closed, condemnation. I think the
best response to someone whose opinioin differs would be "why do you say
that?" as opposed to the assumption that the person claims godhood and is all
knowing. If someone has used Protel, and says they don't like it, I think
that
opinion ought to be accepted as it was given, not hurled back in their face
with an attitude of "you are wrong," since one cannot be wrong when stating
an
opinion.

Anyway, I think Protel is cryptic, the libraries are hard to work with, its
difficult to route, and not very forgiving when it comes to making changes to
existing routes and nets. There are some good points, as with most CAD
software, but overall, I give it a D- based on what I expect to get from a
PCB
package. IMO, of course.
And I give Protel a "B-" But that puts in on a par with several more expensive
packages. (I really don't think $3,995 is that high now days. Orcad was up to
$17,995 when I bought my Protel.)

Unwritten rules are real handy, when you need to explain what you meant, But
since we largely agree, that is a personal opinion. No Big Thing. Hope the
guy took my advice and got someone else to layout his boards!
 
In <L7r%c.12788$QJ3.2027@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, on 09/07/04 at 11:04 PM,
"Clarence" <No@No.Com> said:

Unwritten rules are real handy, when you need to explain what you meant, But
since we largely agree, that is a personal opinion. No Big Thing. Hope the
guy took my advice and got someone else to layout his boards!
Good advice, but I wish he would have hired me to do it. I could use the
work! :)
 
<nothing@nothing.com> wrote in message
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In <L7r%c.12788$QJ3.2027@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, on 09/07/04 at 11:04
PM,
"Clarence" <No@No.Com> said:

Unwritten rules are real handy, when you need to explain what you meant, But
since we largely agree, that is a personal opinion. No Big Thing. Hope the
guy took my advice and got someone else to layout his boards!

Good advice, but I wish he would have hired me to do it. I could use the
work! :)

Like everyone on the Electronics Newsgroups. :)-)
 
Your belief is limited to your experience. I have worked (contracted) with
eight companies who exclusively use Protel. They do so because it is cost
effective.
The fact that you know eight companies using Protel doesn't make it a
particularly good product by today's standards. Most sizeable
organisations have a considerable investment in the database built up
over years using a given product. Plus they have systems structured
around the toolset and staffed trained in its use. Because of that it
takes a lot to make them shift.

The other factor you must consider is "times change". As I said
previously, Protel had their heyday in the mid to late 90's. They
carved a niche as a cheap CAD system that on the face of it did a
similar job to PADs and P-CAD. They now have their market being eroded
by even lower cost, and better products, like Easy-PC, Pulsonix..

Yes, they will survive for some time yet, but they are unlikely to
recover their stock value to anything like its previous levels.
Before them in the mid 80s we had Cadnetix, and before that in the
late 70's and early 80's Calma, Computervision and Applicon. All
these companies have been swallowed-up and have disappeared...

Prescott
 
"Don Prescott" <DMBPrescott@aol.com> wrote in message
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Your belief is limited to your experience. I have worked (contracted) with
eight companies who exclusively use Protel. They do so because it is cost
effective.

The fact that you know eight companies using Protel doesn't make it a
particularly good product by today's standards.
I expressed my opinion and you had your say. Why keep beating a dead horse?

Nothing we say will change the market.

BYE
 

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