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Commander Kinsey
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On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 15:54:14 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
But aren\'t greenies all vegetarians?
But aren\'t greenies all vegetarians?
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Commander Kinsey
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On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 15:51:52 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
We wouldn\'t die off because of lack of heating and cars. We would just live a less fun life.
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:07:54 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, ...
Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
Go live in a tent. Forage for food. Burn rushes for light. Wear fur
when it\'s cold. Cook over dung. Walk everywhere. Enjoy.
JL is so shortsighted, he only sees the input end of \'a pipeline\',
and ignores the other one. As long as he\'s on this planet, the
other end IS his concern, just one he\'s neglected for decades.
I\'m in a warm house, in front of a computer drinking hot Peets coffee.
All that thanks to fossil fuel. I don\'t ignore this stuff; I
appreciate it all the time, as I have for decades.
Fossil fuels are lifting the world out of miserable poverty. Net Zero,
if that crazy idea ever could happen, would kill billions and set the
world back centuries.
But be as afraid as you want to be. Some people live in fear by
nature. There are hilarious youtubes of neurotic terrified young
airheads who have despaired on life because AGW will destroy all human
life soon.
Some things that have revolutionized agricultural yield are
ammonia-based fertilizers, farm machinery, pumped watering, transport,
and more CO2. All from fossil fuels.
Well, the CO2 increase was probably mostly natural.
We wouldn\'t die off because of lack of heating and cars. We would just live a less fun life.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 19:53:34 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:
Not enough rivers to power thre homes and cars of 7 billion like that.
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 7:52:06 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:07:54 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, ...
Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
Go live in a tent. Forage for food. Burn rushes for light. Wear fur
when it\'s cold. Cook over dung. Walk everywhere. Enjoy.
JL is so shortsighted, he only sees the input end of \'a pipeline\',
and ignores the other one. As long as he\'s on this planet, the
other end IS his concern, just one he\'s neglected for decades.
I\'m in a warm house, in front of a computer drinking hot Peets coffee.
All that thanks to fossil fuel. I don\'t ignore this stuff; I
appreciate it all the time, as I have for decades.
Okay, and I\'m in a warm house, computer, Peets coffee (Big Bang)
but my electricity is hydroelectric, and I\'m not a shortsighted jackass.
Not enough rivers to power thre homes and cars of 7 billion like that.
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Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 20:35:15 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
He has the intelligence to think instead of follow propaganda about \"climate change\". It\'s as stupid as believing in god.
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 5:05:01 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, ...
Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
Sometimes I just have to laugh. I don\'t know if the idiot is just an idiot, or if he posts such clearly silly things, just to get a response, which is not at all unlike him, by his own admission. But even funnier is that we all keep playing along, giving him the attention he craves.
He reminds me of a guy who used to post in the radio groups, I say \"used to\" because I don\'t read them anymore. I can\'t recall his name anymore, but he would respond to everything anyone said, including countless arguments. The guy became rather famous and any time he entered a new group, he very quickly was spotted and pointed out.
Larkin is a bit more highly functioning, but he still has various self destructive tendencies. I\'m just surprised that people here continue to rise to the bait with him.
Whatever...
He has the intelligence to think instead of follow propaganda about \"climate change\". It\'s as stupid as believing in god.
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Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 20:36:39 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
Either that was pathetic sarcasm, or you have no reason to be irritated by Larkin.
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 9:04:59 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 00:07:54 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, ...
Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
Go live in a tent. Forage for food. Burn rushes for light. Wear fur
when it\'s cold. Cook over dung. Walk everywhere. Enjoy.
JL is so shortsighted, he only sees the input end of \'a pipeline\',
and ignores the other one. As long as he\'s on this planet, the
other end IS his concern, just one he\'s neglected for decades.
Fuck off treehugger.
Well said, indeed! I can\'t recall a more erudite retort!
Either that was pathetic sarcasm, or you have no reason to be irritated by Larkin.
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Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 20:54:09 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
Better to store it and sell it, nothing to do with green shit, it\'s to do with profit. If you\'re letting it off regularly and nobody wants it, then why not set up a small generator to use it and feed power into the grid?
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 12:58:23 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 06/04/2022 01:00 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
You said \"minors\" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun
of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
Unusual sense of humour.
How are we supposed to know what you mean?
It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
And most Lithium is \"mined\" using brine extraction, it does not
involve digging holes.
https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
kw
Then there are the minor miners:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
underground.
I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the ones you
stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
State College north of Ball.
I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc and not
a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo
Yup. The other part of it is the flares. You\'d be driving through
Wyoming at night in the middle of nowhere and there would be flares
miles off the road. Rather eerie.
I don\'t know if the still burn the gas off oil wells, gorbal warming and
all, you know.
Better to burn it than to release it. But then anyone who is paying attention knows that.
Better to store it and sell it, nothing to do with green shit, it\'s to do with profit. If you\'re letting it off regularly and nobody wants it, then why not set up a small generator to use it and feed power into the grid?
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Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sun, 05 Jun 2022 02:13:06 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Who, what, or where, is the Permian?
On 06/04/2022 03:40 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 06/04/2022 01:00 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
You said \"minors\" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun
of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
Unusual sense of humour.
How are we supposed to know what you mean?
It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
And most Lithium is \"mined\" using brine extraction, it does not
involve digging holes.
https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
kw
Then there are the minor miners:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
underground.
I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the ones you
stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
State College north of Ball.
I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc and not
a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo
Yup. The other part of it is the flares. You\'d be driving through
Wyoming at night in the middle of nowhere and there would be flares
miles off the road. Rather eerie.
I don\'t know if the still burn the gas off oil wells, gorbal warming
and all, you know.
A lot of stranded gas is now liquefied using thermoacoustic fridges
powered by a much smaller amount of gas. IIRC the yield is something
like 70%, which is a big win.
After a little reading the volume dropped off for a while but has picked
up again.
https://www.naturalgasintel.com/permian-methane-flaring-venting-said-still-stubbornly-high/
That article claims
EDF said other satellite data indicates Permian operators sent 280 Bcf
of gas worth about $420 million up their flare stacks in 2019, which was
âmore than enough to supply every home in Texas.â
It wouldn\'t have helped the infrastructure problems but it\'s ironic that
during the Big Freeze last year the varmints in the Permian were warm
and cozy.
Who, what, or where, is the Permian?
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sun, 05 Jun 2022 07:21:25 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
If we\'d stop this stupid sanction nonsense, we could buy Russia\'s gas really cheap and all be better off. But no, let\'s punish the whole world for our inability to fight one country in a war.
On 06/04/2022 09:08 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 06/04/2022 03:40 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 06/04/2022 01:00 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:
On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:
On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
You said \"minors\" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making
fun
of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than
miners.
Unusual sense of humour.
How are we supposed to know what you mean?
It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
And most Lithium is \"mined\" using brine extraction, it does not
involve digging holes.
https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
kw
Then there are the minor miners:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just
comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
underground.
I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the
ones you
stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
State College north of Ball.
I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc
and not
a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo
Yup. The other part of it is the flares. You\'d be driving through
Wyoming at night in the middle of nowhere and there would be flares
miles off the road. Rather eerie.
I don\'t know if the still burn the gas off oil wells, gorbal warming
and all, you know.
A lot of stranded gas is now liquefied using thermoacoustic fridges
powered by a much smaller amount of gas. IIRC the yield is something
like 70%, which is a big win.
After a little reading the volume dropped off for a while but has
picked up again.
https://www.naturalgasintel.com/permian-methane-flaring-venting-said-still-stubbornly-high/
That article claims
EDF said other satellite data indicates Permian operators sent 280 Bcf
of gas worth about $420 million up their flare stacks in 2019, which
was âmore than enough to supply every home in Texas.â
It wouldn\'t have helped the infrastructure problems but it\'s ironic
that during the Big Freeze last year the varmints in the Permian were
warm and cozy.
The stranded gas problem has been around for a long time.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Russia has it big time. Assuming the ever build the Alaska gas pipeline
the logical path from the Siberian fields would be across the Bering and
hook into the Alaskan pipe, not that that will ever happen. The Bakken
isn\'t much better. For that matter while the Marcellus play isn\'t
technically stranded no way are they going to build a pipeline to get it
to New England, where they\'ve been known to import LNG from Russia.
(Thank you, Jones Act).
If we\'d stop this stupid sanction nonsense, we could buy Russia\'s gas really cheap and all be better off. But no, let\'s punish the whole world for our inability to fight one country in a war.
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Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 1:13:44 PM UTC+2, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Trust Commander Kinsey to get it backwards. John Larkin doesn\'t think about climate change and follows the climate change denial propaganda pushed out by sites like Anthony Watts\' \"Watts up with that\".
https://wattsupwiththat.com/
> It\'s as stupid as believing in god.
Stupider. There\'s no evidence that god doesn\'t exist. There\'s lots of evidence that anthopogenic global warming is real, but John Larkin and Commander Kinsey are too dumb to know about it, let alone understand it.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 20:35:15 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 5:05:01 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, ...
Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
Sometimes I just have to laugh. I don\'t know if the idiot is just an idiot, or if he posts such clearly silly things, just to get a response, which is not at all unlike him, by his own admission. But even funnier is that we all keep playing along, giving him the attention he craves.
He reminds me of a guy who used to post in the radio groups, I say \"used to\" because I don\'t read them anymore. I can\'t recall his name anymore, but he would respond to everything anyone said, including countless arguments. The guy became rather famous and any time he entered a new group, he very quickly was spotted and pointed out.
Larkin is a bit more highly functioning, but he still has various self destructive tendencies. I\'m just surprised that people here continue to rise to the bait with him.
Whatever...
He has the intelligence to think instead of follow propaganda about \"climate change\".
Trust Commander Kinsey to get it backwards. John Larkin doesn\'t think about climate change and follows the climate change denial propaganda pushed out by sites like Anthony Watts\' \"Watts up with that\".
https://wattsupwiththat.com/
> It\'s as stupid as believing in god.
Stupider. There\'s no evidence that god doesn\'t exist. There\'s lots of evidence that anthopogenic global warming is real, but John Larkin and Commander Kinsey are too dumb to know about it, let alone understand it.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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server
Guest
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:
Even assuming that burning oil and gas is the major contributer to
atmospheric CO2, and further assuming that the C02 is causing warming,
and then assuming that warming is bad, the benefits from oil and gas
far outweigh these hypothetical dangers. Especially for the billions
of truly poor people in the world.
Read about life before the 17th century. It was horrible. Even the
elites and royalty had pretty awful lives, and regular people lived on
the edge of death. Half their kids died young. So many women died in
childbirth that their average lifespan was 25. The average man made it
to 32.
Big contributor to survival: ammonia-based fertilizers.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/05/sri-lanka-organic-farming-crisis/
--
Anybody can count to one.
- Robert Widlar
wrote:
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 7:52:06 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:07:54 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, ...
Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
Go live in a tent. Forage for food. Burn rushes for light. Wear fur
when it\'s cold. Cook over dung. Walk everywhere. Enjoy.
JL is so shortsighted, he only sees the input end of \'a pipeline\',
and ignores the other one. As long as he\'s on this planet, the
other end IS his concern, just one he\'s neglected for decades.
I\'m in a warm house, in front of a computer drinking hot Peets coffee.
All that thanks to fossil fuel. I don\'t ignore this stuff; I
appreciate it all the time, as I have for decades.
Okay, and I\'m in a warm house, computer, Peets coffee (Big Bang)
but my electricity is hydroelectric, and I\'m not a shortsighted jackass.
The next decades do not have to replicate previous ones. Design
them for improvement, and ditch the insistence on familiarity: there\'s
THREE terms in a PID control, and it works because it acknowledges a
plausible future. You need to dial down the integral term, or it\'ll kill the regulation.
Even assuming that burning oil and gas is the major contributer to
atmospheric CO2, and further assuming that the C02 is causing warming,
and then assuming that warming is bad, the benefits from oil and gas
far outweigh these hypothetical dangers. Especially for the billions
of truly poor people in the world.
Read about life before the 17th century. It was horrible. Even the
elites and royalty had pretty awful lives, and regular people lived on
the edge of death. Half their kids died young. So many women died in
childbirth that their average lifespan was 25. The average man made it
to 32.
Big contributor to survival: ammonia-based fertilizers.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/05/sri-lanka-organic-farming-crisis/
--
Anybody can count to one.
- Robert Widlar
S
server
Guest
On Sun, 05 Jun 2022 11:03:17 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
There are still a few billion people for whom fun isn\'t an option.
--
Anybody can count to one.
- Robert Widlar
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 15:51:52 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:07:54 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, ...
Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
Go live in a tent. Forage for food. Burn rushes for light. Wear fur
when it\'s cold. Cook over dung. Walk everywhere. Enjoy.
JL is so shortsighted, he only sees the input end of \'a pipeline\',
and ignores the other one. As long as he\'s on this planet, the
other end IS his concern, just one he\'s neglected for decades.
I\'m in a warm house, in front of a computer drinking hot Peets coffee.
All that thanks to fossil fuel. I don\'t ignore this stuff; I
appreciate it all the time, as I have for decades.
Fossil fuels are lifting the world out of miserable poverty. Net Zero,
if that crazy idea ever could happen, would kill billions and set the
world back centuries.
But be as afraid as you want to be. Some people live in fear by
nature. There are hilarious youtubes of neurotic terrified young
airheads who have despaired on life because AGW will destroy all human
life soon.
Some things that have revolutionized agricultural yield are
ammonia-based fertilizers, farm machinery, pumped watering, transport,
and more CO2. All from fossil fuels.
Well, the CO2 increase was probably mostly natural.
We wouldn\'t die off because of lack of heating and cars. We would just live a less fun life.
There are still a few billion people for whom fun isn\'t an option.
--
Anybody can count to one.
- Robert Widlar
S
server
Guest
On Sun, 05 Jun 2022 11:02:21 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
A lot of people pretend to be vegetarians. For a while.
--
Anybody can count to one.
- Robert Widlar
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 15:54:14 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 08:00:34 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
You said \"minors\" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
Unusual sense of humour.
How are we supposed to know what you mean?
It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
And most Lithium is \"mined\" using brine extraction, it does not involve digging holes.
https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
kw
Then there are the minor miners:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
underground.
I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the ones you
stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
State College north of Ball.
I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc and not a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo
The greenies would eliminate one and have us eat the other.
But aren\'t greenies all vegetarians?
A lot of people pretend to be vegetarians. For a while.
--
Anybody can count to one.
- Robert Widlar
A
Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:37:17 PM UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
<snip>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect
That\'s a fact, not an assumption.
> and further assuming that the C02 is causing warming,
That\'s a fact too, if you take the trouble to work out which bits of the atmosphere are radiating which infrared photons out to outer space.
> and then assuming that warming is bad,
Warming isn\'t the whole of it. Climate climate change is floods and fires, and new parasites and diseases.
> the benefits from oil and gas
As sources of energy. They can now be replaced, more cheaply, by solar cells and windmills and a lot of short term battery back-up and large scale grids.
This is going on right now in Australia because the electricity generating utilities want to save money.
> far outweigh these hypothetical dangers.
Only your judgement is as poor as John Larkin\'s. The dangers are real and are showing up in real life.
> Especially for the billions of truly poor people in the world.
If renewable energy is a cheaper source of power than burning fossil carbon, the truly poor people will go for it - as they are doing anyway. Solar cells come in small packages so you can buy enough for yourself to make a difference to your life without having to wait for a Lenin-figure to electrify the whole country.
The Agricultural Revolution didn\'t depend on fossil carbon. Better sanitation - clean water - has done more for the average life-span than any amount of fossil carbon.
If you put somebody as pig-ignorant as John Larkin in charge of agriculture you can expect this kind of disaster. The Agricultural Revolution exploited nitrogen-fixing bacteria to get the necessary nitrates into the soil. Ammonia synthesis lets you produce a lot of fertiliser in a big factory and make a lot of money in the process, but it isn\'t the only way of getting nitrogen-based fertilisers, and it isn\'t the cheapest route either.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 7:52:06 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:07:54 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
<snip>
Okay, and I\'m in a warm house, computer, Peets coffee (Big Bang)
but my electricity is hydroelectric, and I\'m not a shortsighted jackass.
The next decades do not have to replicate previous ones. Design
them for improvement, and ditch the insistence on familiarity: there\'s
THREE terms in a PID control, and it works because it acknowledges a
plausible future. You need to dial down the integral term, or it\'ll kill the regulation.
Even assuming that burning oil and gas is the major contributor to atmospheric CO2,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect
That\'s a fact, not an assumption.
> and further assuming that the C02 is causing warming,
That\'s a fact too, if you take the trouble to work out which bits of the atmosphere are radiating which infrared photons out to outer space.
> and then assuming that warming is bad,
Warming isn\'t the whole of it. Climate climate change is floods and fires, and new parasites and diseases.
> the benefits from oil and gas
As sources of energy. They can now be replaced, more cheaply, by solar cells and windmills and a lot of short term battery back-up and large scale grids.
This is going on right now in Australia because the electricity generating utilities want to save money.
> far outweigh these hypothetical dangers.
Only your judgement is as poor as John Larkin\'s. The dangers are real and are showing up in real life.
> Especially for the billions of truly poor people in the world.
If renewable energy is a cheaper source of power than burning fossil carbon, the truly poor people will go for it - as they are doing anyway. Solar cells come in small packages so you can buy enough for yourself to make a difference to your life without having to wait for a Lenin-figure to electrify the whole country.
Read about life before the 17th century. It was horrible. Even the
elites and royalty had pretty awful lives, and regular people lived on
the edge of death. Half their kids died young. So many women died in
childbirth that their average lifespan was 25. The average man made it
to 32.
The Agricultural Revolution didn\'t depend on fossil carbon. Better sanitation - clean water - has done more for the average life-span than any amount of fossil carbon.
Big contributor to survival: ammonia-based fertilizers.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/05/sri-lanka-organic-farming-crisis/
If you put somebody as pig-ignorant as John Larkin in charge of agriculture you can expect this kind of disaster. The Agricultural Revolution exploited nitrogen-fixing bacteria to get the necessary nitrates into the soil. Ammonia synthesis lets you produce a lot of fertiliser in a big factory and make a lot of money in the process, but it isn\'t the only way of getting nitrogen-based fertilisers, and it isn\'t the cheapest route either.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
R
Ricky
Guest
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 1:02:46 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
I was not aware of that. Makes sense. It seems pretty convincing too... unless someone wished to fend it off by saying the equivalent of, \"It\'s that way because that\'s the way God made it!\" Not that anyone here is going to invoke God, but many seem to believe in the concept that AGW can\'t be true, \"because\".
Not just ignorant, but willfully so. He never reads enough about the theories to actually understand them, but he is happy to read every drop of the denialist reports. Well, that\'s an assumption. Maybe he only reads the introductions of those as well, but chooses to believe them.
--
Rick C.
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On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:37:17 PM UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 7:52:06 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:07:54 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
snip
Okay, and I\'m in a warm house, computer, Peets coffee (Big Bang)
but my electricity is hydroelectric, and I\'m not a shortsighted jackass.
The next decades do not have to replicate previous ones. Design
them for improvement, and ditch the insistence on familiarity: there\'s
THREE terms in a PID control, and it works because it acknowledges a
plausible future. You need to dial down the integral term, or it\'ll kill the regulation.
Even assuming that burning oil and gas is the major contributor to atmospheric CO2,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect
That\'s a fact, not an assumption.
I was not aware of that. Makes sense. It seems pretty convincing too... unless someone wished to fend it off by saying the equivalent of, \"It\'s that way because that\'s the way God made it!\" Not that anyone here is going to invoke God, but many seem to believe in the concept that AGW can\'t be true, \"because\".
and further assuming that the C02 is causing warming,
That\'s a fact too, if you take the trouble to work out which bits of the atmosphere are radiating which infrared photons out to outer space.
and then assuming that warming is bad,
Warming isn\'t the whole of it. Climate climate change is floods and fires, and new parasites and diseases.
the benefits from oil and gas
As sources of energy. They can now be replaced, more cheaply, by solar cells and windmills and a lot of short term battery back-up and large scale grids.
This is going on right now in Australia because the electricity generating utilities want to save money.
far outweigh these hypothetical dangers.
Only your judgement is as poor as John Larkin\'s. The dangers are real and are showing up in real life.
Especially for the billions of truly poor people in the world.
If renewable energy is a cheaper source of power than burning fossil carbon, the truly poor people will go for it - as they are doing anyway. Solar cells come in small packages so you can buy enough for yourself to make a difference to your life without having to wait for a Lenin-figure to electrify the whole country.
Read about life before the 17th century. It was horrible. Even the
elites and royalty had pretty awful lives, and regular people lived on
the edge of death. Half their kids died young. So many women died in
childbirth that their average lifespan was 25. The average man made it
to 32.
The Agricultural Revolution didn\'t depend on fossil carbon. Better sanitation - clean water - has done more for the average life-span than any amount of fossil carbon.
Big contributor to survival: ammonia-based fertilizers.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/05/sri-lanka-organic-farming-crisis/
If you put somebody as pig-ignorant as John Larkin in charge of agriculture you can expect this kind of disaster. The Agricultural Revolution exploited nitrogen-fixing bacteria to get the necessary nitrates into the soil. Ammonia synthesis lets you produce a lot of fertiliser in a big factory and make a lot of money in the process, but it isn\'t the only way of getting nitrogen-based fertilisers, and it isn\'t the cheapest route either.
Not just ignorant, but willfully so. He never reads enough about the theories to actually understand them, but he is happy to read every drop of the denialist reports. Well, that\'s an assumption. Maybe he only reads the introductions of those as well, but chooses to believe them.
--
Rick C.
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whit3rd
Guest
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:13:44 AM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Intelligence, absent observation and discipline, is useless. In the current instance, he considered
the input end of a chemical delivery pipeline, and announced \'no chemicals\'..
That\'s just willful blindness, not thinking. It seems he IS following propoganda,
rather than looking for evidence or logic or testimony of any sort.
Thinking would have easily encompassed the pipeline\'s other end, disgorging petrochemicals.
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 20:35:15 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 5:05:01 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, ...
Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
Sometimes I just have to laugh. I don\'t know if the idiot is just an idiot, or if he posts such clearly silly things, just to get a response, which is not at all unlike him, by his own admission. But even funnier is that we all keep playing along, giving him the attention he craves.
He reminds me of a guy who ...would respond to everything anyone said, including countless arguments. The guy became rather famous and any time he entered a new group, he very quickly was spotted and pointed out.
Larkin is a bit more highly functioning, but ...
He has the intelligence to think instead of follow propaganda about \"climate change\". It\'s as stupid as believing in god.
Intelligence, absent observation and discipline, is useless. In the current instance, he considered
the input end of a chemical delivery pipeline, and announced \'no chemicals\'..
That\'s just willful blindness, not thinking. It seems he IS following propoganda,
rather than looking for evidence or logic or testimony of any sort.
Thinking would have easily encompassed the pipeline\'s other end, disgorging petrochemicals.
R
Ricky
Guest
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 2:01:02 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
Not if it is also a worm hole into another galaxy. Well, a galaxy we don\'t care about.
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On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:13:44 AM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 20:35:15 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 5:05:01 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, ...
Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
Sometimes I just have to laugh. I don\'t know if the idiot is just an idiot, or if he posts such clearly silly things, just to get a response, which is not at all unlike him, by his own admission. But even funnier is that we all keep playing along, giving him the attention he craves.
He reminds me of a guy who ...would respond to everything anyone said, including countless arguments. The guy became rather famous and any time he entered a new group, he very quickly was spotted and pointed out.
Larkin is a bit more highly functioning, but ...
He has the intelligence to think instead of follow propaganda about \"climate change\". It\'s as stupid as believing in god.
Intelligence, absent observation and discipline, is useless. In the current instance, he considered
the input end of a chemical delivery pipeline, and announced \'no chemicals\'.
That\'s just willful blindness, not thinking. It seems he IS following propoganda,
rather than looking for evidence or logic or testimony of any sort.
Thinking would have easily encompassed the pipeline\'s other end, disgorging petrochemicals.
Not if it is also a worm hole into another galaxy. Well, a galaxy we don\'t care about.
--
Rick C.
+----+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+----+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
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whit3rd
Guest
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 7:37:17 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
NOT an assumption, we have the numbers and isotopic composition confirmation
> atmospheric CO2, and further assuming that the C02 is causing warming,
NOT an assumption, we have a good idea how radiant heat transfer dominates
the Earth\'s temperature and we know the atmosphere and sunlight effect of
a variety of gasses.
[more blather deleted; I\'m not gonna dissect the whole pile of lies and distortions]
> Read about life before the 17th century. It was horrible.
Not relevant, because we aren\'t heading into a future that
resembles the 16th century. Also, there isn\'t a monster in your closet.
Greta Thunberg gets it; why doesn\'t John Larkin?
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
The next decades do not have to replicate previous ones. Design
them for improvement, and ditch the insistence on familiarity: there\'s
THREE terms in a PID control, and it works because it acknowledges a
plausible future. You need to dial down the integral term, or it\'ll kill the regulation.
Even assuming that burning oil and gas is the major contributer to
NOT an assumption, we have the numbers and isotopic composition confirmation
> atmospheric CO2, and further assuming that the C02 is causing warming,
NOT an assumption, we have a good idea how radiant heat transfer dominates
the Earth\'s temperature and we know the atmosphere and sunlight effect of
a variety of gasses.
[more blather deleted; I\'m not gonna dissect the whole pile of lies and distortions]
> Read about life before the 17th century. It was horrible.
Not relevant, because we aren\'t heading into a future that
resembles the 16th century. Also, there isn\'t a monster in your closet.
Greta Thunberg gets it; why doesn\'t John Larkin?
R
rbowman
Guest
On 06/05/2022 08:41 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
I\'ve went vegetarian a few times. No philosophical or health reason,
just boredom I guess. The last time around it was actually pescatarian
until I got tired of tilapia.
On Sun, 05 Jun 2022 11:02:21 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 15:54:14 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 08:00:34 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
You said \"minors\" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
Unusual sense of humour.
How are we supposed to know what you mean?
It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
And most Lithium is \"mined\" using brine extraction, it does not involve digging holes.
https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
kw
Then there are the minor miners:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
underground.
I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the ones you
stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
State College north of Ball.
I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc and not a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo
The greenies would eliminate one and have us eat the other.
But aren\'t greenies all vegetarians?
A lot of people pretend to be vegetarians. For a while.
I\'ve went vegetarian a few times. No philosophical or health reason,
just boredom I guess. The last time around it was actually pescatarian
until I got tired of tilapia.
R
rbowman
Guest
On 06/05/2022 05:21 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
The Permian basin in West Texas and eastern New Mexico.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=30952
As someone pointed out flaring the gas is seen as the lesser of two
evils, since the gas is mostly methane which is seen as a bigger problem
than CO2. There are plenty of leaks so you get the best of both worlds,
methane and CO2.
On Sun, 05 Jun 2022 02:13:06 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On 06/04/2022 03:40 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 06/04/2022 01:00 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:
On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:
On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
You said \"minors\" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making
fun
of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than
miners.
Unusual sense of humour.
How are we supposed to know what you mean?
It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
And most Lithium is \"mined\" using brine extraction, it does not
involve digging holes.
https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
kw
Then there are the minor miners:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just
comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
underground.
I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the
ones you
stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
State College north of Ball.
I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc
and not
a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo
Yup. The other part of it is the flares. You\'d be driving through
Wyoming at night in the middle of nowhere and there would be flares
miles off the road. Rather eerie.
I don\'t know if the still burn the gas off oil wells, gorbal warming
and all, you know.
A lot of stranded gas is now liquefied using thermoacoustic fridges
powered by a much smaller amount of gas. IIRC the yield is something
like 70%, which is a big win.
After a little reading the volume dropped off for a while but has picked
up again.
https://www.naturalgasintel.com/permian-methane-flaring-venting-said-still-stubbornly-high/
That article claims
EDF said other satellite data indicates Permian operators sent 280 Bcf
of gas worth about $420 million up their flare stacks in 2019, which was
âmore than enough to supply every home in Texas.â
It wouldn\'t have helped the infrastructure problems but it\'s ironic that
during the Big Freeze last year the varmints in the Permian were warm
and cozy.
Who, what, or where, is the Permian?
The Permian basin in West Texas and eastern New Mexico.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=30952
As someone pointed out flaring the gas is seen as the lesser of two
evils, since the gas is mostly methane which is seen as a bigger problem
than CO2. There are plenty of leaks so you get the best of both worlds,
methane and CO2.
R
rbowman
Guest
On 06/05/2022 08:37 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
That cuts both ways. In the \'60s and \'70s prior to the \'Green
Revolution\' India was facing famine. The new crops, dependent on
chemical fertilizers and irrigation, saved the day. What has happened to
India\'s population since that era? What will be the outcome if the
farmers can\'t afford the chemical fertilizers?
Even in the US manure suddenly has become a hot commodity.
If you\'re talking about white tail deer, for example, there is little
argument that the deer will reproduce until they exceed the carrying
capacity of the habitat. Then the population will be reduced one way or
another. With wise game management you strive to keep the herd at
maximum sustainable yield, about half of the maximum BCC.
Are humans exempt? Cornucopians think so and there will always be
another technological advance. What happens when they run out of rabbits
to pull out of the hat?
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 7:52:06 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:07:54 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, ...
Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
Go live in a tent. Forage for food. Burn rushes for light. Wear fur
when it\'s cold. Cook over dung. Walk everywhere. Enjoy.
JL is so shortsighted, he only sees the input end of \'a pipeline\',
and ignores the other one. As long as he\'s on this planet, the
other end IS his concern, just one he\'s neglected for decades.
I\'m in a warm house, in front of a computer drinking hot Peets coffee.
All that thanks to fossil fuel. I don\'t ignore this stuff; I
appreciate it all the time, as I have for decades.
Okay, and I\'m in a warm house, computer, Peets coffee (Big Bang)
but my electricity is hydroelectric, and I\'m not a shortsighted jackass.
The next decades do not have to replicate previous ones. Design
them for improvement, and ditch the insistence on familiarity: there\'s
THREE terms in a PID control, and it works because it acknowledges a
plausible future. You need to dial down the integral term, or it\'ll kill the regulation.
Even assuming that burning oil and gas is the major contributer to
atmospheric CO2, and further assuming that the C02 is causing warming,
and then assuming that warming is bad, the benefits from oil and gas
far outweigh these hypothetical dangers. Especially for the billions
of truly poor people in the world.
Read about life before the 17th century. It was horrible. Even the
elites and royalty had pretty awful lives, and regular people lived on
the edge of death. Half their kids died young. So many women died in
childbirth that their average lifespan was 25. The average man made it
to 32.
Big contributor to survival: ammonia-based fertilizers.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/05/sri-lanka-organic-farming-crisis/
That cuts both ways. In the \'60s and \'70s prior to the \'Green
Revolution\' India was facing famine. The new crops, dependent on
chemical fertilizers and irrigation, saved the day. What has happened to
India\'s population since that era? What will be the outcome if the
farmers can\'t afford the chemical fertilizers?
Even in the US manure suddenly has become a hot commodity.
If you\'re talking about white tail deer, for example, there is little
argument that the deer will reproduce until they exceed the carrying
capacity of the habitat. Then the population will be reduced one way or
another. With wise game management you strive to keep the herd at
maximum sustainable yield, about half of the maximum BCC.
Are humans exempt? Cornucopians think so and there will always be
another technological advance. What happens when they run out of rabbits
to pull out of the hat?