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[Phil Allison]

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
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Phil Allison

Finally, as of last month, using optical plus co-ax cable link
with Australia's new NBN.

NBN = "National Broadband Network" - means I now enjoy 12MbS down
link and 1MbS up, about 20 time faster compared to previously for
the same or maybe less cost.


That asshole that screwed your entire continent, last I heard is
why it took so long. He was some lame phone guy here in the US, and
then went over there and now you guys are ALL forced to use a single
provider from what I remember.

** " NBN Co " is a government owned corporation, we a have a few of them here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBN_Co

The national (essentially fibre) network is now nearing full coverage and replaces all previous copper wire phone and internet access.

Soon after an area has NBN access, the twisted pair system and related exchanges are shut down for ever.

Consumers can opt to go with any number of retail suppliers for phone/internet contracts, so there is competition on pricing - but NBN Co control the lot.

No biggie for us, another company called "Telstra" had a *full monopoly* on telecommunication not so long ago.



...... Phil

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 16:44:38 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
------------------------------------
Phil Allison

Finally, as of last month, using optical plus co-ax cable link
with Australia's new NBN.

NBN = "National Broadband Network" - means I now enjoy 12MbS down
link and 1MbS up, about 20 time faster compared to previously for
the same or maybe less cost.


That asshole that screwed your entire continent, last I heard is
why it took so long. He was some lame phone guy here in the US, and
then went over there and now you guys are ALL forced to use a single
provider from what I remember.


** " NBN Co " is a government owned corporation, we a have a few of them here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBN_Co

The national (essentially fibre) network is now nearing full coverage and replaces all previous copper wire phone and internet access.

Soon after an area has NBN access, the twisted pair system and related exchanges are shut down for ever.

What about the last mile? Copper, cable TV, FTTH, microwave, whatever?

We seem to have a mix of everything here.

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 26/9/19 10:01 am, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 16:44:38 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
------------------------------------
Phil Allison

Finally, as of last month, using optical plus co-ax cable link
with Australia's new NBN.

NBN = "National Broadband Network" - means I now enjoy 12MbS down
link and 1MbS up, about 20 time faster compared to previously for
the same or maybe less cost.


That asshole that screwed your entire continent, last I heard is
why it took so long. He was some lame phone guy here in the US, and
then went over there and now you guys are ALL forced to use a single
provider from what I remember.


** " NBN Co " is a government owned corporation, we a have a few of them here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBN_Co

The national (essentially fibre) network is now nearing full coverage and replaces all previous copper wire phone and internet access.

Soon after an area has NBN access, the twisted pair system and related exchanges are shut down for ever.

What about the last mile? Copper, cable TV, FTTH, microwave, whatever?

We seem to have a mix of everything here.

We have a mix here too, and that's what the complaining is about. The
old copper loops are all being phased out, but where there is a
sufficiently reliable/recent cable TV network (my personal situation)
they're re-purposing that. Only some areas are getting new fibre, and
often that's just to their street or curb, not to their property.

We had two national cable TV networks, and NBN Co paid one of them to go
away, deciding to use the other one.

There are three backhaul networks, and all three serve exactly the same
121 POIs, that was the price of entry. NBNCo is not one of them, but
they standardise the service offerings so the networks (and the retail
companies) can compete fairly on cost and service.

<https://www.nbnco.com.au/blog/the-nbn-project/what-is-a-poi-how-and-where-your-provider-connects-to-the-nbn-network>.

All up: massive needless obfuscation of what could have been fast and
simple. Standard practise for crooks looking to enrich themselves are
the public's expense. Some people are just avoiding it and using fixed
wireless instead.

Clifford Heath.

 

On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 11:07:38 +1000, Clifford Heath
<no.spam@please.net> wrote:

On 26/9/19 10:01 am, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 16:44:38 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
------------------------------------
Phil Allison

Finally, as of last month, using optical plus co-ax cable link
with Australia's new NBN.

NBN = "National Broadband Network" - means I now enjoy 12MbS down
link and 1MbS up, about 20 time faster compared to previously for
the same or maybe less cost.


That asshole that screwed your entire continent, last I heard is
why it took so long. He was some lame phone guy here in the US, and
then went over there and now you guys are ALL forced to use a single
provider from what I remember.


** " NBN Co " is a government owned corporation, we a have a few of them here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBN_Co

The national (essentially fibre) network is now nearing full coverage and replaces all previous copper wire phone and internet access.

Soon after an area has NBN access, the twisted pair system and related exchanges are shut down for ever.

What about the last mile? Copper, cable TV, FTTH, microwave, whatever?

We seem to have a mix of everything here.

We have a mix here too, and that's what the complaining is about. The
old copper loops are all being phased out, but where there is a
sufficiently reliable/recent cable TV network (my personal situation)
they're re-purposing that. Only some areas are getting new fibre, and
often that's just to their street or curb, not to their property.

Here at home we get our internet over cable TV. (Used to have AT&T
copper... it was awful.) The Brat has fiber all the way into her
condo. My nextdoor neighbor has a short-haul microwave dish; so do we
at work.

I once tried a cellular modem for internet, but that never worked.

I'm thinking that 5G might become universal for everything. No wires
or anything to the end users.

Looking out from the roof at work, I can see about 25 dishes, with my
poor eyesight. I bet I could spot hundreds with binoculars. It would
be cool if we could see the microwave beams at night.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:ujavoel5onckcjnreonqg1and2nb4fe8bn@4ax.com:

I'm thinking that 5G might become universal for everything. No
wires
or anything to the end users.

Even in the 4G realm, there is a ministry for the homeless where
one of the employees let his phone be a wifi connection point for ten
users at a time, and I had no problem getting 1.2MB/s movie file
feeds from him while the bar (ten users) was full. It depended more
on how close I was to him (his phone), because his rate was solid all
the time. He had unlimited data, obviously. I am unaware if his
provider ever contacted him about the huge usage, because he did it
for about a year.

Sure would muck up both the airspace and our privacy, but it is
likely where things are headed.

You should simply tie your PC to your phone. Phone = generally
secure. Plebty of bandwidth.. no brainer. No more need for the
hugely overpriced cable twerps (both for internet and TV content).
Because you TV also can stream content for you now.

Best path for me. One price for phone. Use it for the PC needs
and even my TV content streaming needs. No more cable, or additional
Internet provider, putting all that on a back burner, since all your
connectivity needs can now be handled by the phone. They jumped in
and beat them all.

Fuck (overpriced since the eighties) cable.

 

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:l5i1pe1sai5a3vrl1iinaed708375nbapo@4ax.com:

Comcast just upgraded our tv/net/phone service and reduced the price.
Competition, I guess.

All three of those is like what $150 a month?

I doubt any 5G phone will be that high.

 

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:02:17 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:ujavoel5onckcjnreonqg1and2nb4fe8bn@4ax.com:

I'm thinking that 5G might become universal for everything. No
wires
or anything to the end users.

Even in the 4G realm, there is a ministry for the homeless where
one of the employees let his phone be a wifi connection point for ten
users at a time, and I had no problem getting 1.2MB/s movie file
feeds from him while the bar (ten users) was full. It depended more
on how close I was to him (his phone), because his rate was solid all
the time. He had unlimited data, obviously. I am unaware if his
provider ever contacted him about the huge usage, because he did it
for about a year.

Sure would muck up both the airspace and our privacy, but it is
likely where things are headed.

You should simply tie your PC to your phone. Phone = generally
secure. Plebty of bandwidth.. no brainer. No more need for the
hugely overpriced cable twerps (both for internet and TV content).
Because you TV also can stream content for you now.

I have a flip phone. It's just a telephone.

The cable modem is giving me 673/41 mbits this morning, more than
anyone needs. I do like fast upload speeds because I use Dropbox and
email big files now and then.

Best path for me. One price for phone. Use it for the PC needs
and even my TV content streaming needs. No more cable, or additional
Internet provider, putting all that on a back burner, since all your
connectivity needs can now be handled by the phone. They jumped in
and beat them all.

Fuck (overpriced since the eighties) cable.

Comcast just upgraded our tv/net/phone service and reduced the price.
Competition, I guess.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 15:35:08 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:l5i1pe1sai5a3vrl1iinaed708375nbapo@4ax.com:

Comcast just upgraded our tv/net/phone service and reduced the price.
Competition, I guess.



All three of those is like what $150 a month?

I doubt any 5G phone will be that high.

It was about $100 before the recent price cut and speed upgrade. I'm
not sure what it is now.

Mo likes the TV part. I have no use for it.

Seems like, with 600 mbits coming in, there's no use for cable TV.
Watch anything any time you feel like it, if you do feel like it. I
think cable in its present form is doomed.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:28:42 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

Seems like, with 600 mbits coming in, there's no use for cable TV. Watch
anything any time you feel like it, if you do feel like it. I think
cable in its present form is doomed.

It's funny how times change. I remember when getting cable was among the
highest aspirations of the lower classes; those who achieved that lofty
goal were instantly raised to celebrity status among their fellow ghetto-
dwellers. Yet now, as you no doubt correctly foresee, the sun is firmly
setting on cable and there are new and better technologies comin' down
the pike for the poor and huddled masses to lust after. :-D



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Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> wrote in
news:qmqvrd$iu0$8@dont-email.me:

; those who achieved that lofty
goal were instantly raised to celebrity status among their fellow
ghetto- dwellers.

Hey! I liked being able to watch "Gator" on (cable)TV while shooting
pool in my dad's rec room back in 1978. Me and my friends could get
a buzz and come in and watch cable while we played pool. Way better
than getting a buzz and twiddling our thumbs.

On Warner Amex's "CUBE" cable system installed in Greater
Cincinnati. A dual coax bidirectional system that was never used to
its full potential in any of the cities it was installed in AFAIK.
It could take votes and a few other things they never used. All they
used it for and cared about was pay per view authorizations. I think
they also lost interest when TIME bought them. And then fiber began
to usher in not long thereafter.

That dual coax crap sure was hard to pull a 150' drop up on
though. Damn! Especially in HUG-A-POLE mode. Good thing I
only had a couple of those. Did Jim Brown's house in Indian Hill
too. It was a couple hundred feet through the woods from the pole to
the P-hook (on a one story house!), I think because they were unable
to make a run down his street (Indian Hill is one of the 1%er
neighborhoods in Cinti).

Then my next lofty goal then was owning LaserDisc instead of
renting videos, the boat of which I never boarded. WAY better A/V
quality. Paid $125 for my 2001 ASO. Had a bunch of now rare NASA
discs too.